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Topic: Storage confusion (11 msgs / 303 lines)
1) From: Slinkster
I'm rather confused about storage of roasted beans.
1. The cupping profiles for most of the beans I have from SM's tell me 
that fizziness on the tongue or palate is indicative of more rest being 
required.  Now, logic says that airtight storage keeps the CO2 in the 
beans despite outgassing.  The CO2 is what produces the fizzy feeling, 
so theoretically I ought to store my beans ventilated *at all times* or 
for a week at least.
2. Most of the homeroast information I've acquired tells me to let 
freshly roasted beans rest in a ventilated condition for 12-24 hours, 
after which airtight storage is best.
So which is it?
I'm sure that as I acquire more experience I'll learn what beans ought 
to be ventilated and what can/should be stored airtight but right now 
any first-hand information would be appreciated.

2) From: Leo Zick
#2. 
After 48 hrs or so, most of the co2 is gone.
If you use mason jars, you can test and see how many days they continue to
pop when you open them. Ive had some outgas for up to 3 days.

3) From: Obrien, Haskell W.
Not to mention the awesome smell you get when you do pop em open. It
usually makes my wife swoon. :)

4) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 2/21/07, Obrien, Haskell W.  wrote:
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Sounds like that would liven up a dull evening....
Brian

5) From:
Hi slinkster:
great question. this does go into the taste hopper as far as I am concerned.
slinkster, you just don't know until you try it out from one bean to the next to one roast or the next. tom is the best with his comments on beans, how they may taste, the flavors they may pull through to you but in the end it is all a matter of taste.
try everything for your buds, taste buds that is, to arrive at the optimum for a/your beans. sure there is an "average way a green may roast" but it may taste like an s-shot to you. 
I fight all the time with roast profiles; frankly because I am not sure they really make one whit of difference to a roast of a particular bean, on any given day, to any particular roaster, in any particular part of the country. why? way too many things are different.
did the beans come from the same bag, the same supplier, the same farm...
taste is the finite answer.
ginny
thegster
homeroasters.org
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6) From: Floyd Lozano
I guess the pressure in the closed jar is not enough to cause the CO2 to
remain inside the bean.  The real enemy, anyway, is oxygen, damning
oxidizing oxygen!
-F
On 2/21/07, pchforever  wrote:
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7) From: Andy Thomas
Be more concerned about oxygen than CO2. After a day or so there is very li=
ttle CO2 left in the beans. That said, a little CO2 outgassing will displac=
e air in the container -- and that's a good thing.
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From: Slinkster 
To: homeroast 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:47:24 AM
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ubject: +Storage confusion
I'm rather confused about storage of roa=
sted beans.
1. The cupping profiles for most of the beans I have from =
SM's tell me 
that fizziness on the tongue or palate is indicative of mor=
e rest being 
required.  Now, logic says that airtight storage keeps the =
CO2 in the 
beans despite outgassing.  The CO2 is what produces the fizzy=
 feeling, 
so theoretically I ought to store my beans ventilated *at all =
times* or 
for a week at least.
2. Most of the homeroast information=
 I've acquired tells me to let 
freshly roasted beans rest in a ventilate=
d condition for 12-24 hours, 
after which airtight storage is best.
=
So which is it?
I'm sure that as I acquire more experience I'll learn =
what beans ought 
to be ventilated and what can/should be stored airtight=
 but right now 
any first-hand information would be appreciated.=
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8) From: Brett Mason
OK, so this seems like an awful a lot of work...
Having listened to the discussion for a couple years now, let me offer
my more low-tech method...  I roast beans.  I cool them.  I put them
in the mason jar with the rubber seal and latch.  The next day I open
the jar, pull beans, close the jar, and then brew.  Coffee seems
highly excellent and flavor favorable.
The other 5 minutes of worry and concern which I have saved goes to a
different task - like another cup of coffee...
Brett
On 2/21/07, Andy Thomas  wrote:
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9) From: Slinkster
That was my tendency too, only I'm following Tom's rest time 
recommendations (at least for now).  I mean really, when I buy roasted 
beans from the local roaster he sends them home in glassine-lined paper 
bags sealed in zippies - why shouldn't I treat my beans similarly?
On a storage-related note I thought I'd finally have a use for the 
tomato sauce jars my mother-in-law saves compulsively.  Turns out the 
lids on those jars are too small to accept a standard Mason lid/ring.
Andy Thomas wrote:
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10) From: Dan Bollinger
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I'm with you, Brett.  I roast to make coffee, not to perform rites of nature, or 
disnature in this case, since that is what preservation is.  To me, the whole 
point of roasting at home is so I can have FRESH coffee. Not so I can emulate 
stale coffee available in any c-store.  My plan is simple, roast a little more 
than I need (I may have company), drink what I want, toss it when it goes stale, 
repeat.
Dan

11) From: Andy Thomas
Hey, Brett. I like your answer better than mine.
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From: Brett Mason 
To: homeroast=
tmarias.com
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:00:42 AM
Subject: Re: +=
Storage confusion
OK, so this seems like an awful a lot of work...=
Having listened to the discussion for a couple years now, let me offe=
r
my more low-tech method...  I roast beans.  I cool them.  I put them
=
in the mason jar with the rubber seal and latch.  The next day I open
the=
 jar, pull beans, close the jar, and then brew.  Coffee seems
highly exce=
llent and flavor favorable.
The other 5 minutes of worry and concern w=
hich I have saved goes to a
different task - like another cup of coffee..=
.
Brett
On 2/21/07, Andy Thomas  wrote:
> Be mo=
re concerned about oxygen than CO2. After a day or so there is very little =
CO2 left in the beans. That said, a little CO2 outgassing will displace air=
 in the container -- and that's a good thing.
>
> ----- Original Messag=
e ----
> From: Slinkster 
> To: homeroast 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:47:24 AM=
> Subject: +Storage confusion
>
>
> I'm rather confused about stor=
age of roasted beans.
>
> 1. The cupping profiles for most of the beans=
 I have from SM's tell me
> that fizziness on the tongue or palate is ind=
icative of more rest being
> required.  Now, logic says that airtight sto=
rage keeps the CO2 in the
> beans despite outgassing.  The CO2 is what pr=
oduces the fizzy feeling,
> so theoretically I ought to store my beans ve=
ntilated *at all times* or
> for a week at least.
>
> 2. Most of the =
homeroast information I've acquired tells me to let
> freshly roasted bea=
ns rest in a ventilated condition for 12-24 hours,
> after which airtight=
 storage is best.
>
> So which is it?
>
> I'm sure that as I acquir=
e more experience I'll learn what beans ought
> to be ventilated and what=
 can/should be stored airtight but right now
> any first-hand information=
 would be appreciated.
>=
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