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Topic: Login problems, firefox, etc. (20 msgs / 527 lines)
1) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Hmmm -- i have had to trouble on this end, because I test everything 
with firefox on a mac and pc. again, i am sorry about the mass 
deletion of logins. it really bugs me when a software allows you no 
other route to manage a big list, no way to sort by date (i.e. date 
of last login), no way to select duplicates, etc. it's a general 
problem with how we do things here (that is, we do everything 
ourselves) but also a strength. the fact we don't use any web 
designers or outside help shows, but it allows us to change the page 
daily, and makes our web site really reflect what is going on behind 
the scenes: a constant search for coffee, and experimentation with 
coffee. there are definitely things needing improvement, lots of 
things, and this mass login deletion is evidence of just a small one. 
nonetheless, i would still choose to have our sprawling and 
idiosyncratic web site as opposed to a slick and substanceless one! 
but, behind the scenes, i keep searching for a new platform that 
improves the access to all the information on the site, and merges in 
the shopping in a low-key but more user-friendly way. it's a 
long-term project...
tom
--
                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

2) From: Floyd Lozano
I gotta tell you the first time I saw your web site, I was like 'wtf'.  But
after having the coffee and doing the reading, you don't notice it much any
more (i don't).  It's all about the coffee.  Frankly now I would be worried
if your site suddenly became much prettier and slicker, cause that would
mean you probably weren't out there cupping the next stellar coffee I want
to roast!
-Floyd
On 2/26/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
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3) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
Tom,
A very SMALL inconvenience for the excellent coffee and information.  
The dedicated list members also quickly pooled together to find  
solutions.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to put a message on the account  
login page to warn people they may need to "recreate" their login  
information. It is possible that not all shoppers are list members  
and are aware their account may have been deleted.
Keep up the good work,
dave
On Feb 26, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
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4) From: Jason Brooks
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Tom,
   I have come to love the layout of you site.  The treasures are truly
worth the mining.  What I saw as an issue was an older certificate for
the SSL session for the cart.  I thought it was on securedata's end, so
I've not said anything prior.  Is that still the case?  If so, you
could try to push them to upgrade/reconfig to only allow SSLv3 (they
should understand that).  I've been fighting with that at work.  Takes
some time and testing, but is doable.  So, if 3rd party, push.  If it's
you, maybe a lister could help?  If not, waiting is fine.  I can always
accommodate with little problem.
Thanks again - the customer service you provide is enough to overlook any
lack of slickness with the site.
Jason
-- 
Jason Brooks
jbrookshttp://javajeb.wordpress.com

5) From: Aaron
For what it's worth Tom...
Id rather you spend your time finding us good coffee's and going on your 
trips and bringing them back to us, instead of worrying about a web page 
all day.  It worked before, it works now, your talents are much more 
well spent doing the 'coffee' thing,  not the 'html hell' thing.
Just thing, a couple years from now, ok maybe more than just a couple, 
the kid can do it for you :)
aaron

6) From: an iconoclast
On 2/26/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
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I only had to re-register once and all was fine. I use three browsers -
Opera, Firefox and IE in order of preference depending on the difficulties I
find on a particular website. I LOVE text!!!  I need INFO, which defines the
SM site.  I don't need pretty and pretty often causes problems.  The only
accommodation I've made with our photography business website using
FrontPage is to insert a Java applet slide show....but don't think coffee
needs anything that fancy.  I just want to read ALL about the coffee and
it's related toys. Pure heaven. And thank you, Tom and Maria, et al.
Take care,
Ann
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7) From: Lynne Biziewski
I just want to add - I love the SM website. Please, Tom - if you have
someone work on the site, DON'T change the look. It has a home-grown
(homeroasted?) charm to it.
I think of the changes in the Chowhound website... granted, it used to be
EXTREMELY basic - but to me, now that it is polished and refined, it has
lost some of the charm - and usability, too.
Just my thoughts...
Lynne
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8) From: Rich
A note of information.  The google shopping cart is another google personal information collection 
project.  I do not trust them as far as I could throw them.
The problem with some functions not working in Fire Fox or Opera is that Microsoft front Page is 
designed to support the Microsoft Browser (IE-6) which is not standards compliant.  Only the MS 
browser will directly support activeX controls for sure and I know Fire Fox does not, don't know about 
Opera or Safari.
Web design  is not my specialty, drinking large quantities of coffee is.  But, I do know that making a 
site standards compliant is not difficult, I just do not have the details.  It is time consuming though.
I have found Sweet Maria's to be a virtual treasure trove of great information.  A site with that much 
information will always be a challenge to navigate, but it is worth the effort.
My Windows based Fire Fox ver 2.0.0.2 will access the shopping system without problem.  Some of the 
previous versions have a setting that has to be changed in the browser.  It was turned off to address a 
security issue.
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From: an iconoclast
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:28:58 -0800
On 2/26/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee  wrote: 
nonetheless, i would still choose to have our sprawling and
idiosyncratic web site as opposed to a slick and substanceless one!
but, behind the scenes, i keep searching for a new platform that
improves the access to all the information on the site, and merges in 
the shopping in a low-key but more user-friendly way. it's a
long-term project...
I only had to re-register once and all was fine. I use three browsers - Opera, Firefox and IE in order of 
preference depending on the difficulties I find on a particular website. I LOVE text!!! I need INFO, 
which defines the SM site. I don't need pretty and pretty often causes problems. The only 
accommodation I've made with our photography business website using FrontPage is to insert a Java 
applet slide show....but don't think coffee needs anything that fancy. I just want to read ALL about the 
coffee and it's related toys. Pure heaven. And thank you, Tom and Maria, et al. 
Take care,
Ann

9) From: Leo Zick
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
so google is the next ms, huh? they are all out to get the world?  
From: Rich [mailto:rich-mail] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:45 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Login problems, firefox, etc.
A note of information. The google shopping cart is another google personal
information collection project. I do not trust them as far as I could throw
them.
The problem with some functions not working in Fire Fox or Opera is that
Microsoft front Page is designed to support the Microsoft Browser (IE-6)
which is not standards compliant. Only the MS browser will directly support
activeX controls for sure and I know Fire Fox does not, don't know about
Opera or Safari.
Web design is not my specialty, drinking large quantities of coffee is. But,
I do know that making a site standards compliant is not difficult, I just do
not have the details. It is time consuming though.
I have found Sweet Maria's to be a virtual treasure trove of great
information. A site with that much information will always be a challenge to
navigate, but it is worth the effort.
My Windows based Fire Fox ver 2.0.0.2 will access the shopping system
without problem. Some of the previous versions have a setting that has to be
changed in the browser. It was turned off to address a security issue.
--Original Message Text---
From: an iconoclast
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:28:58 -0800
On 2/26/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
wrote: 
nonetheless, i would still choose to have our sprawling and
idiosyncratic web site as opposed to a slick and substanceless one!
but, behind the scenes, i keep searching for a new platform that
improves the access to all the information on the site, and merges in 
the shopping in a low-key but more user-friendly way. it's a
long-term project...
I only had to re-register once and all was fine. I use three browsers -
Opera, Firefox and IE in order of preference depending on the difficulties I
find on a particular website. I LOVE text!!! I need INFO, which defines the
SM site. I don't need pretty and pretty often causes problems. The only
accommodation I've made with our photography business website using
FrontPage is to insert a Java applet slide show....but don't think coffee
needs anything that fancy. I just want to read ALL about the coffee and it's
related toys. Pure heaven. And thank you, Tom and Maria, et al. 
Take care,
Ann

10) From: derbyrm
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Take comfort in the fact that you are one of millions and they're =
unlikely to single you out.
(Paranoia must be kept on a tight rein, even if They ARE out to get =
you.)
Roger
derbyrm http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

11) From: Vicki Smith
Web design is my speciality, and redoing a site like SM would be time 
consuming and somewhat difficult, if making it standards compliant were 
the goal. The login issue is not related to this. From what I can tell, 
it is a security certificate issue and rests with the shopping cart 
service. Active-X controls do not enter into it--if this was the 
problem, the old FF would not have worked either.
The biggest standard's related issue has to do with using tables to 
display information--like the coffee reviews. You can use tables for 
layout, but when using them impacts how people using screen readers (IE 
people with various disabilities) can use the page, the standards issues 
are big, though not insurmountable, by any means.
vicki
Rich wrote:
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12) From: Rich
They save all of your search queries now.  Read the public press.  Google has afmitted it. They have 
turned over the data to the government in several cases.  They use it for the targeted pop up adds.  It is 
quite a list.  Its all about the money.
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From: Leo Zick
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:48:31 -0500
so google is the next ms, huh? they are all out to get the world? 

13) From: Leo Zick
Can u share standards?  Im not familiar with them.
Also, wouldn't a more robust cart system offer more?  History (which would
be huge, it takes me 10-20mins to look at my stash, see what ive ordered,
what I want to replenish, etc), security, all things that I assume are
fairly simple and even offered and/or supported by most hosting companies.
Its time consuming, I know. Im a small biz owner too, but once you dedicate
the initial effort, updating should be a breeze.

14) From: Leo Zick
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
small price to pay for information, unless you have something to hide. then
again, there is always the shovel and head in a hole approach.  
From: Rich [mailto:rich-mail] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:05 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: +Login problems, firefox, etc.
They save all of your search queries now. Read the public press. Google has
afmitted it. They have turned over the data to the government in several
cases. They use it for the targeted pop up adds. It is quite a list. Its all
about the money.
--Original Message Text---
From: Leo Zick
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:48:31 -0500
so google is the next ms, huh? they are all out to get the world? 

15) From: Derek Bradford
Such a terrible, weak argument.  Shame.
On 2/28/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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-- http://www.novernae.comHome of the Wandering Sloth

16) From: Leo Zick
Im not arguing, I think its silly to worry about these things is all.
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17) From: Derek Bradford
Then say that.  But don't bring up the "if you've got nothing to hide"
argument.  That's some of the worst social policy to have ever hit
lawmakers.
On 2/28/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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-- http://www.novernae.comHome of the Wandering Sloth

18) From: Michael Guterman
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
They were here last week.  I could feel them and hear them whispering 
about me.  Now that the copper sheeting is up on the entire room it is a 
bit better.
Michael
derbyrm wrote:
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19) From: Coffeenut
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I've been wearing the standard aluminum foil pointy hat and wondered why I
could still hear them.  
Switching over to copper now.thanks!
Rick  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Michael Guterman
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:44 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Login problems, firefox, etc.
They were here last week.  I could feel them and hear them whispering about
me.  Now that the copper sheeting is up on the entire room it is a bit
better.
Michael
derbyrm wrote: 
Take comfort in the fact that you are one of millions and they're unlikely
to single you out.
(Paranoia must be kept on a tight rein, even if They ARE out to get you.)
Roger
derbyrm http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

20) From:
michael, hells bells, you have been hearing stuff for years...
love ya,
ginny
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