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Topic: Which BM for homeroast (11 msgs / 238 lines)
1) From: Wes Tyler
To all the HG/BM roasters... I hit a smalltown thrift store Friday. There w=
ere several BM models. A Sunbeam and Oster looked very much alike except th=
e chamber in the Oster was about 9" deep while the Sunbeam is only about 6"=
 deep. Which is best for roasting? They are both in good condition. No tefl=
on on either.
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2) From: Vicki Smith
I use a Sunbeam, not sure if you are looking at the same model, and it 
works a treat. I've seen the Oster, and it should be great. If they are 
cheap, cheap, cheap, I'd buy both. A spare is a wonderful thing. My 
bread machine/heat gun FAQ is at http://www.coffeecrone.com/roasting/faq.htm It's not difficult, but 
mebbe my experience would be helpful.
Wes Tyler wrote:

3) From: Angelo
I looked at your site, and in it you mention that you do NOT use the 
heat from the machine to roast the beans, you rely only on the heat 
from the heat gun...
Are you saying that the BM is only used to keep the beans moving 
while you use the heat gun on them...?

4) From: raymanowen
Deeper is probably better, Wes. Does the baking pan have a hasp and just
lift out intact?
If you raise the lid to vertical, can you just lift it off ? Mine does and
that's how I will use it.
We have the Oster with a 6 inch deep pan, but use it almost daily for whole
grain bread. Vicki's looks about the same, and she can do a pound size roast
The even bigger and more powerful DAK has a neat glass domed lid. That thing
will contain the heat well if I just put a deflector on the heat gun and
lift the lid to pump the heat in.
I will have to upend the whole thing to dump the beans out, but it's not
like the Mazzer that would be Tactical if it had handles on it! I should get
busy and build the cyclone to evacuate and cool the beans from my RK Drum
that will be hotter than Blue Blazes when I have to handle it to stop the
roast, open it and dump the beans into my cooler.
I'll have my daughter in law, Gretchen, film it the first time I try to
handle the hot drum. I sure don't have that figured out yet. I hope not to
show up at the e/r with third degree burns that look like I lost a fight
with a waffle iron. I hate having to explain things when I'm a Dummkopf.
On 3/3/07, Wes Tyler  wrote:
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

5) From: Vicki Smith
Yes, I use the dough cycle--which on my machine lasts for 22 
minutes--much longer than I have ever used for my roasts--which 
generally run a bit over a pound. Be sure to check out the page with 
Carole's pictures if you have a thermostat embedded in the well that the 
bread pan fits into.
I began doing this because I have a physical disability that made using 
a dog bowl a problem. An added advantage is that the bread machine shell 
retains heat fairly well, so that roasting in very cold weather is easy 
to do. That is an issue in Central Alberta, for sure.
Angelo wrote:

6) From: Vicki Smith
As long as the pan has enough volume so that bean expansion still leaves 
plenty of whipping around room without beans popping out of the pan, the 
size doesn't seem to matter as much as one thinks. Some machines seem to 
throw beans out if you have less than 3/4 of a pound or so, btw.
raymanowen wrote:

7) From: Larry Johnson
I have one called "Mr. Loaf" made by, believe it or not, MK Seiko,
Japan. The bucket twist-locks into place, has a metal rod handle that pivots
up or down (just like a regular old water bucket handle), and measures 5" x
5" x 5.5" deep. It detaches easily for dumping the beans, as long as I
remember to bring an oven mitt outside with me. I have roasted anywhere from
1/2 pound to a full pound and I find that the more beans that are in the
bucket, the less likely they are to be flung out.
I tried twice to roast 1/2 pound and both times I had several beans escape
before they swelled. After they puffed up a bit, it was better, but there
were still some beans coming awfully close to the top of the bucket (that
little paddle really flings 'em around). At 3/4 of a pound, I seldom lose a
bean, but it still looks dicey in the beginning. At 1 full pound of greens,
it works great; the beans stay down where they belong and the temperature
ramps are slower the way I like 'em.
The only thing, the paddle is not metal; it's some kind of black plastic.
Maybe Bakelite. It shows no sign of heat damage after 8-10 roasts, but I
would rather have a metal paddle in the long run.
Once again; thank you Vicki for showing us the Bread Machine / Heat Gun path
(yeah, I know; you weren't the first. But you had the best
explanation/photos/website, so ..... thanks.)
On 3/3/07, Vicki Smith  wrote:
Larry J
"It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling
exception, is composed of others."
  - John Andrew Holmes

8) From: Angelo
One more question: What is the rotational speed of the paddle?
  I guess this question is for anyone who owns a BM. I'm wondering if 
it varies that much from brand to brand, and whether there is an 
optimal speed...
Thank you,

9) From: Carole Zatz
On 3/4/07, Angelo  wrote:
I don't know the answer to that but I did have a lot of trouble using
any of the Panasonic machines. They tended to toss out beans left and
right. The one pound model was better than the two pound one but I
would stay away from either of them. The Panasonics also required you
to open them up and make the thermostat adjustment. The Sunbeam one I
got new on Amazon is working great. I do as small as a 8 oz. batch of
green beans in them with no problems.

10) From: Peter Zulkowski
I tried to count the revs of my BM at one time and IIRC it was a bit 
over 600 RPM.
Whatever it is you can experiment designing a paddle that will stir the 
beans and also keep them in the bowl :)
Here is a link to my project to make a larger than 1 Kilogram roaster.http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id2&thread_id2\Just practice with junk beans as they do fly about. ;)
Have not worked on it in a while because my PGR roasts nearly that much 
easily.http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id2&thread_id1I regularly roast a 2# bag from SM in one batch.
Insulating the bowl helps a lot, and I have not been motivated to try to 
roast larger batches.
Since I finally hooked up the 20 Amp circuit I will be getting back to it.
The weather is getting warmer too, went up to 70 F today, here in LHC, AZ.
Angelo wrote:

11) From: raymanowen
My DAK does about 165rpm as it walks around the countertop, and the Oster
does 170rpm. (Count the number of revs per 6 seconds X 10= rpm.)
600rpm would be 10 revs per second. That would almost be like trying to make
bread with an electric fan to stir the batter- unlikely to succeed.
The biggest organ pipe I've heard is over 64ft long and vibrates at
8.11cycles per second. I wasn't counting! Anything spinning that fast would
be a blur and toss ingredients out before they ever got mixed.
You can set up the BM with the ingredients placed in the pan so it will just
finish baking a hot loaf of bread for breakfast in the morning. Add
cinnamon, brown sugar and raisins to the dough when it's almost done
kneading at night, and it's quite a treat waiting with coffee at first
Instead of misusing a weed whacker coffee mill or blender for a mystery
coffee grind, do a couple of ounces of whole grain hard red winter wheat or
oats. Substituted for some of the bread flour, it gives a loaf with texture
you can't get in any grocery.
Nuts! My Celtic Critic wife just beat me to the heel. No sweat. Me gots a
fresh carafe of PCE 1.7- 1.8km after a conference with grinder M and the
Technivorm. 40g ground at 60 in BUFF, with a forced two minute initial brew.
I'm lovin' it.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
If the right grinder is too big, remodel!

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