To all the HG/BM roasters... I hit a smalltown thrift store Friday. There w= ere several BM models. A Sunbeam and Oster looked very much alike except th= e chamber in the Oster was about 9" deep while the Sunbeam is only about 6"= deep. Which is best for roasting? They are both in good condition. No tefl= on on either. Thanks,Wes= No need to miss= a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started= .http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
I use a Sunbeam, not sure if you are looking at the same model, and it works a treat. I've seen the Oster, and it should be great. If they are cheap, cheap, cheap, I'd buy both. A spare is a wonderful thing. My bread machine/heat gun FAQ is at http://www.coffeecrone.com/roasting/faq.htm It's not difficult, but mebbe my experience would be helpful. vicki Wes Tyler wrote: <Snip>
Vickie, I looked at your site, and in it you mention that you do NOT use the heat from the machine to roast the beans, you rely only on the heat from the heat gun... Are you saying that the BM is only used to keep the beans moving while you use the heat gun on them...? A+ <Snip>
Deeper is probably better, Wes. Does the baking pan have a hasp and just lift out intact? If you raise the lid to vertical, can you just lift it off ? Mine does and that's how I will use it. We have the Oster with a 6 inch deep pan, but use it almost daily for whole grain bread. Vicki's looks about the same, and she can do a pound size roast easily The even bigger and more powerful DAK has a neat glass domed lid. That thing will contain the heat well if I just put a deflector on the heat gun and lift the lid to pump the heat in. I will have to upend the whole thing to dump the beans out, but it's not like the Mazzer that would be Tactical if it had handles on it! I should get busy and build the cyclone to evacuate and cool the beans from my RK Drum that will be hotter than Blue Blazes when I have to handle it to stop the roast, open it and dump the beans into my cooler. I'll have my daughter in law, Gretchen, film it the first time I try to handle the hot drum. I sure don't have that figured out yet. I hope not to show up at the e/r with third degree burns that look like I lost a fight with a waffle iron. I hate having to explain things when I'm a Dummkopf. On 3/3/07, Wes Tyler wrote: <Snip> -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976
Yes, I use the dough cycle--which on my machine lasts for 22 minutes--much longer than I have ever used for my roasts--which generally run a bit over a pound. Be sure to check out the page with Carole's pictures if you have a thermostat embedded in the well that the bread pan fits into. I began doing this because I have a physical disability that made using a dog bowl a problem. An added advantage is that the bread machine shell retains heat fairly well, so that roasting in very cold weather is easy to do. That is an issue in Central Alberta, for sure. vicki Angelo wrote: <Snip>
As long as the pan has enough volume so that bean expansion still leaves plenty of whipping around room without beans popping out of the pan, the size doesn't seem to matter as much as one thinks. Some machines seem to throw beans out if you have less than 3/4 of a pound or so, btw. v raymanowen wrote: <Snip>
I have one called "Mr. Loaf" made by, believe it or not, MK Seiko, Japan. The bucket twist-locks into place, has a metal rod handle that pivots up or down (just like a regular old water bucket handle), and measures 5" x 5" x 5.5" deep. It detaches easily for dumping the beans, as long as I remember to bring an oven mitt outside with me. I have roasted anywhere from 1/2 pound to a full pound and I find that the more beans that are in the bucket, the less likely they are to be flung out. I tried twice to roast 1/2 pound and both times I had several beans escape before they swelled. After they puffed up a bit, it was better, but there were still some beans coming awfully close to the top of the bucket (that little paddle really flings 'em around). At 3/4 of a pound, I seldom lose a bean, but it still looks dicey in the beginning. At 1 full pound of greens, it works great; the beans stay down where they belong and the temperature ramps are slower the way I like 'em. The only thing, the paddle is not metal; it's some kind of black plastic. Maybe Bakelite. It shows no sign of heat damage after 8-10 roasts, but I would rather have a metal paddle in the long run. Once again; thank you Vicki for showing us the Bread Machine / Heat Gun path (yeah, I know; you weren't the first. But you had the best explanation/photos/website, so ..... thanks.) On 3/3/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> -- Larry J "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." - John Andrew Holmes
One more question: What is the rotational speed of the paddle? I guess this question is for anyone who owns a BM. I'm wondering if it varies that much from brand to brand, and whether there is an optimal speed... Thank you, A+ <Snip>
On 3/4/07, Angelo wrote: <Snip> I don't know the answer to that but I did have a lot of trouble using any of the Panasonic machines. They tended to toss out beans left and right. The one pound model was better than the two pound one but I would stay away from either of them. The Panasonics also required you to open them up and make the thermostat adjustment. The Sunbeam one I got new on Amazon is working great. I do as small as a 8 oz. batch of green beans in them with no problems.
I tried to count the revs of my BM at one time and IIRC it was a bit over 600 RPM. Whatever it is you can experiment designing a paddle that will stir the beans and also keep them in the bowl :) Here is a link to my project to make a larger than 1 Kilogram roaster.http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id2&thread_id2\Just practice with junk beans as they do fly about. ;) Have not worked on it in a while because my PGR roasts nearly that much easily.http://www.homeroasters.org/php/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id2&thread_id1I regularly roast a 2# bag from SM in one batch. Insulating the bowl helps a lot, and I have not been motivated to try to roast larger batches. Since I finally hooked up the 20 Amp circuit I will be getting back to it. PeterZ The weather is getting warmer too, went up to 70 F today, here in LHC, AZ. Angelo wrote: <Snip>
My DAK does about 165rpm as it walks around the countertop, and the Oster does 170rpm. (Count the number of revs per 6 seconds X 10= rpm.) 600rpm would be 10 revs per second. That would almost be like trying to make bread with an electric fan to stir the batter- unlikely to succeed. The biggest organ pipe I've heard is over 64ft long and vibrates at 8.11cycles per second. I wasn't counting! Anything spinning that fast would be a blur and toss ingredients out before they ever got mixed. You can set up the BM with the ingredients placed in the pan so it will just finish baking a hot loaf of bread for breakfast in the morning. Add cinnamon, brown sugar and raisins to the dough when it's almost done kneading at night, and it's quite a treat waiting with coffee at first light. Instead of misusing a weed whacker coffee mill or blender for a mystery coffee grind, do a couple of ounces of whole grain hard red winter wheat or oats. Substituted for some of the bread flour, it gives a loaf with texture you can't get in any grocery. Nuts! My Celtic Critic wife just beat me to the heel. No sweat. Me gots a fresh carafe of PCE 1.7- 1.8km after a conference with grinder M and the Technivorm. 40g ground at 60 in BUFF, with a forced two minute initial brew. I'm lovin' it. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! If the right grinder is too big, remodel!