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Topic: Programable Hottop (25 msgs / 787 lines)
1) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
I finally have installed the upgrade to make my Hottop programable.  I 
finished it late Sunday evening, and was then on call for the hospital 
yesterday, so I have yet to roast with it.  I am going to roast some 
today.
My question:  Does anybody have any suggestions for profiles for this 
new programable panel?  In the meantime, I am going to experiment, and 
if I get lucky, I will let y'all know.
Michael
L. Michael Fraley, MD

2) From: Barry Luterman
Got my upgrade kit yesterday. Will probably install it today. First program 
I will try is:
Seg   Temp   time   fan
1        243        3        0
2        297        3        0
3        333        .01      0
4        351        .01       0
5        369        .58       1
6        396        3          1
7        414        3           1
8        424        3           2
Will let you know. Intend to use that or a variation of it for full city. 
Will work up some others based on this one.

3) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Thanks Barry.  I may give that a try as well.
Michael
On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
Got my upgrade kit yesterday. Will probably install it today. First 
program I will try is:
Seg   Temp   time   fan
1        243        3        0
2        297        3        0
3        333        .01      0
4        351        .01       0
5        369        .58       1
6        396        3          1
7        414        3           1
8        424        3           2
Will let you know. Intend to use that or a variation of it for full 
city. Will work up some others based on this one.

4) From: DJ Garcia
I've used these 2 profiles six times total for City + roasts with Kona
Moki's Farm (1x 300gm & 2x 218gm loads), Ethiopia Idido Misty (2x 300gm) =
and
the last 218gm of my Panama Jaramillo Geisha Blue. I really liked them =
all,
better than the standard HT profile (which I used as start-up), and I =
think
I prefer the second profile, I think (yes, double I think, I think) ...
Because I only went to City + (no 2nd Crack) no idea how darker roasts =
will
behave, but I loved the lighter roasts I got, and shorter sessions to =
boot:
10-11 min to 1st crack, ejected after about 1:30 - 1:45.
Deg F  /  Minutes  /  Fan (blank = off)
Prof 1:
Load at 250 deg, around 2 min after preheat
243 / 3
291 / 1:30 / fan 1
333 / 3
351 / 1:30
369 / 1:30
392 / 3 / fan 1
401 / 3 / fan 2
406 / 3 / fan 3
Prof 2:
Load at 250 deg, around 2 min after preheat
243 / 3
291 / 1:30
333 / 3
351 / 1:30
369 / 1:30
392 / 1:30
392 / 1:30 / fan 2
401 / 3 / fan 3

5) From: Barry Luterman
Just finished the upgrade. The book says one to three hours. Given my 
mechanical aptitude it took 8 hrs and one phone call to Michael at hottop. 
After discovering he was saying black wire and not break wire.It took only 
another 10 minutes. Did 2 roasts of Misty Valley one very light (rolling 
first crack) crack was so loud and fast I thought it was 2nd crack. The 
other roast much darker even saw a spot of oil. That one got away from me a 
bit. Wanted to make sure first was over. Will taste them in a few days and 
report back.

6) From: Barry Luterman
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Just used DJ Garcia's second city + profile on some Brazil Yellow =
Bourbon and the roast looks beautiful. Am going to try a 2nd load of the =
same bean and try to get to a full city. I increased stage 7 from 392 to =
400 and stage 8 from 401 to 405.

7) From:
Barry,
thanks for the input. I am going to order my upgrade today.
ginny
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8) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
I have used some of the profiles suggested, and have been creative in 
formulating a few of my own (tho I must confess, I have no real idea 
what I am doing!)  In all.. I am rather unimpressed!  I thought the 
coffee was much better with the standard digital Hottop program.  I am 
not sure why, as I am not sophisticated enough to know why I do not 
like this coffee as well.  I simply know that I do not think it tastes 
"right", nor does my wife think so.
Any suggestions?
So.. I actually was happier before the upgrade.  The only thing I am 
really enjoying more, is the constant temp readout.  No longer have to 
push a button over and over to get the temp.
Michael
On Mar 8, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
Just used DJ Garcia's second city + profile on some Brazil Yellow 
Bourbon and the roast looks beautiful. Am going to try a 2nd load of 
the same bean and try to get to a full city. I increased stage 7 from 
392 to 400 and stage 8 from 401 to 405.
L. Michael Fraley, MD

9) From: Floyd Lozano
does hottop offer any support on profiling, or converting a prior profile to
the new digital format?  You'd think for 500 they would ;)
-F
On 3/12/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
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10) From: Barry Luterman
It's early yet. We are all still playing with it. The programmable holds 
much promise.

11) From: Barry Luterman
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they live their old profile on and add one new one . They also suggest =
one in the operators manual. The rest is left open for us to tweak and =
play with.For me so far I have learned something. I usually do not like =
DP coffees. I bought 10 lbs of Misty Valley because everyone was hyping =
it so. I like it well enough as espresso but it is far from my favorite =
but hated it as brewed coffee. I figured I would eventually offer the =
remaining 9 pounds as a tradition.  I have been using it to test out the =
new programmable. Figuring I didn't mind ruining the beans since I =
didn't like them anyway. I did 250 gr. using DJ Garcia's second program =
and wound up with a very nice brewed cup of it. Still far from my =
favorite but quit nice. Don't forget this stuff was quite unacceptable =
for me.

12) From: DJ Garcia
Just goes to show, one man's lunch is another man's poison ...
Michael, I don't think sophistication enters into this, as I have none.
Either you like the coffee or you don't. End of story :-). What coffees did
you try, and what roast level with which profiles? Information will be
helpful as none of us know what the hell we're doing and there's no real
data on this animal yet.
I have to say I really do like the roasts I've been getting, but as I
mentioned I've been doing City to City +, so I haven't been even getting
into the last two segments. Also I'm brewing as espresso, so that will
probably have some impact.
DJ
Back from Illinois and the mercy of Starbucks

13) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Thanks to all for their responses to my question(s).
I tried multiple profiles on multiple coffees.  Didn't really care much 
for any of them.  They are all getting a bit better with rest.  
Finally, I went back to the old original "profile" which is the "auto" 
function on the new programable.  With this I did the Papua New Guinea 
Kimel Peaberry.  I took it to a City+ roast, and it is outstanding.  
For some reason, I seem to like them better when they have a long 
period to 1st crack.
As I am not really educated much about this, maybe somebody could 
explain the theory behind profiles to me.  I guess what I am asking is 
this:  when one changes a part of the profile, what is the aim of that 
change.  Maybe that would help me with experimenting with profiles.  I 
am about to go on a job interview in Maine, and I want to take some 
fresh roast with me as gifts.  Just to be safe, I am going to use this 
auto function.  For myself I am willing to experiment, but would rather 
use a trusted method for gift-giving!
Michael
On Mar 13, 2007, at 8:55 PM, DJ Garcia wrote:
Just goes to show, one man's lunch is another man's poison ...
Michael, I don't think sophistication enters into this, as I have none.
Either you like the coffee or you don't. End of story :-). What coffees 
did
you try, and what roast level with which profiles? Information will be
helpful as none of us know what the hell we're doing and there's no real
data on this animal yet.
I have to say I really do like the roasts I've been getting, but as I
mentioned I've been doing City to City +, so I haven't been even getting
into the last two segments. Also I'm brewing as espresso, so that will
probably have some impact.
DJ
Back from Illinois and the mercy of Starbucks

14) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
 From Jim Shulmans newsgroup messages comes a general profile that I've 
tried to follow:
room temp to 265F - initial warm up - as fast as possible (2 minutes)
265F  to 295F - drying phase - 10 degrees rise per minute. (3 minutes)
295F to 385F - browning phase to start of first crack - 30 degrees rise 
per minute (3 minutes)
start of first crack to start of second crack (FC) - 10 degrees rise per 
minute (5 minutes)
This is a starting point to work from; it will take about 13 minutes to 
completion.
Dave S.
L. Michael Fraley, MD wrote:
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15) From: Barry Luterman
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Tom when are you planning on publishing your review of the new machine?

16) From: MichaelB
And when will you start selling it? Will there be a coffee bean option with
the upgrade?
On 3/29/07, Barry Luterman  wrote:
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MichaelB

17) From: miKe mcKoffee
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of MichaelB
	Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:42 PM
 Will there be a coffee bean option with the upgrade?
Yes, you'll have the 'option' of ordering dozens and dozens of pounds from
the dozens and dozens of different greens Tom has in stock! ;-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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18) From: MichaelB
I don't mind buying coffee - it's just that the special deal coffee with a
big ticket purchase tastes better!
On 3/29/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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MichaelB

19) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Touché!
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of MichaelB
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:00 PM
I don't mind buying coffee - it's just that the special deal coffee with =
a
big ticket purchase tastes better!
On 3/29/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: 
       From: homeroast-admin 
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of MichaelB
       Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:42 PM
 Will there be a coffee bean option with the upgrade? 
Yes, you'll have the 'option' of ordering dozens and dozens of pounds =
from
the dozens and dozens of different greens Tom has in stock! ;-)

20) From: Barry Luterman
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I have my first real success with the programmable hottop. As previously =
stated I dislike Misty Valley and most DP coffees. So I have 10 lbs of =
Misty Valley that I was eventually going to use as a Tradition offer. =
Instead I have been using it as UGH coffee to experiment with different =
ramps and how they change taste for the same bean. Anyway I just brewed =
up a pot of Misty Valley in a Bodum Vacuum stove top. The blueberry was =
very evident and the coffee quite good.I really enjoyed it. I used DJ =
Garcia's second program. The programmable model does have merit and a =
place among us. The only decision has to be are is it worth the purchase =
price for small gains in profile control. For me the answer seems to be =
yes. So far it has saved me $50 and has opened up the possibilities that =
I might actually like DP coffees. 

21) From: miKe mcKoffee
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NO Barry! You still loathe the Idido Misty Valley! Just send it to me and
I'll dispose of it for you:-) I would even roast a bunch to have as the
featured UGH coffee for PNWG V.
 
Typed will finishing a simply thorougly "terrible" 11:30min City+ roasted
day four rested Idido Misty Valley cappiccino...awful stuff! :-)
 
Working on getting a PNWG V info' page ready to post, including a few pic's
from previous PNWs but seem to have temporarily lost PNWG IV pics!
 
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ 
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Barry Luterman
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:17 PM
I have my first real success with the programmable hottop. As previously
stated I dislike Misty Valley and most DP coffees. So I have 10 lbs of Misty
Valley that I was eventually going to use as a Tradition offer. Instead I
have been using it as UGH coffee to experiment with different ramps and how
they change taste for the same bean. Anyway I just brewed up a pot of Misty
Valley in a Bodum Vacuum stove top. The blueberry was very evident and the
coffee quite good.I really enjoyed it. I used DJ Garcia's second program.
The programmable model does have merit and a place among us. The only
decision has to be are is it worth the purchase price for small gains in
profile control. For me the answer seems to be yes. So far it has saved me
$50 and has opened up the possibilities that I might actually like DP
coffees. 

22) From: Barry Luterman
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I thought PNWG was out for me this year as we are going on a 2 week =
cruise to Alaska in May and leaving from Vancouver so my Portland =
daughter was going to meet us in Vancouver for a few days before =
sailing. Now there is a family emergency, that I can't get into now on =
the internet . But it should resolve this week. If all works out I might =
come east for PWWG this year also.

23) From: Michael Dhabolt
Barry,
Hope the family emergency is not serious and resolves itself well.  We'll
all be looking forward to seeing you - if your schedule works out in a
fashion to support you're showing up.
Mike (just plain)

24) From: Barry Luterman
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Wrote you and McGuiness off list.

25) From: DJ Garcia
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Some people are just SOOOOOOO pathetically transparent ! :)
 
Happy Easter!


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