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Topic: A Wonderful Brewing Discovery (16 msgs / 514 lines)
1) From: Brett Mason
Awesome David!
You might be mistaken for me...  I grind at the MAX on my Rocky, and
it's still not enough for me...
I have gone back to my Cory Grindmaster which grinds a nice coarse
grind... and I love the brew...  Rocky still wins for espresso, or one
of my Zasses, either one...
Congrats, and welcome to the sweet side,
Brett
On 3/14/07, David Morgenlender  wrote:
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2) From: David Morgenlender
I've been homeroasting for about 7 months now.  (It seems like much =
longer ...
where did all those green beans come from??? :) )  Overall I've just =
loved the
brewed coffee produced from my homeroasted beans.  But at times I would =
feel
like I just wasn't getting everything out of the bean flavorwise ... and =
it was
a brewing problem, not a roasting or bean problem.
I kept reading about the ratio of coffee to water to use, as well as =
grind
levels;  it seemed I would use much less coffee than the "official" =
ratio, and I
would grind much finer than others.  For example, for my Presto Scandi =
drip, I'd
typically brew 3.5 Scandi cups (about 17oz. as I recall), using 1.75 =
scoops (SM
blue scoop).  I'd grind at +23 on my Rocky, where I'd read others grind =
at 30 or
more.
So I've been playing around with these variables;  I've settled on using =
2
scoops, ground at +35.  The difference in the brewed coffee is simply
astonishing!  The flavor intensity & complexity is so much greater;  it's
sweeter and richer tasting.  I've been brewing Harar Horse Lot 30 & Harar=
 Decaf;
I had thought both were great, but it didn't come close to how good they =
are
now.  I had also been brewing Colombia Excelso 13556, which I thought was=
 ok,
but no better than that;  today I brewed it the new way ... WOW!  I love =
it!
Now I've got to experiment brewing with my French Press, Chemex, MokaPot,=
 Yama
5-cup vacpot, which arrived earlier today & is still in the box, etc.!  =
This
should be fun!
I can't believe what I've been missing all this time!
Dave
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3) From: Brett Mason
Dave, congratulations!
Now there are two of us who grind incorrectly, using too much coffee,
and not attaining what others seek.  I've gotten the emails onlist and
offlist explaining that I am just wasting coffee, yadda yadda yadda...
Still,  contrarian that I am, I'll settle for the sweet nectar o'
bean, in my drip, in my press, in my mokkapot, and in my cowboy
coffee.
Maybe you'll give others the courage to try the sweetness in the bean as well!
Welcome to the Dark Side,
Brett
On 3/24/07, David Morgenlender  wrote:
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4) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 3/24/07, David Morgenlender  wrote:
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David,
That's interesting, in part because it is counter to Tom's advice. How long
do you steep when brewing in your FP?
Brian

5) From: David Morgenlender
Brett,
This week I've tried a coarser grind for both FP & Chemex.  I had always =
found
FP to be a bit harsh ... not now ... so sweet & great flavor!  My =
Chemex brews
have always been pretty good, but now they're great.  My love of coffee =
drinking
has really increased!
I've written here about not getting the incredible results out of Uganda =
Bugisu
as others have reported.  That has changed.  I got a great FP cup & this =
morning
the most incredible cup from my Chemex ... the brewing aroma was like an
intensely sweet strawberry jam.  The brewed flavor was incredibly sweet =
fruit.
Just terrific!  But sad to say, I only have enough of these beans left =
for 1-2
cups (for me that means large mugs).
Now I have to try this new approach with my MokaPot & SwissGold Single =
Cup ...
not to mention my first attempts at VacPot (my new Yama 5 cup) & Ibrik.
But I'm almost out of beans, so I have to deal with that first.
Dave
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Harar Decaf;
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love it!
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MokaPot, Yama
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6) From: MichaelB
All things being equal there is a direct relationship between the grind size
and ideal extraction time. However, things are not always equal. For
example, some grinders produce excess dust at finer settings but less at
coarser settings. Under those circumstances the brew from the coarsely
ground coffee will taste sweeter, not necessarily because of the extraction
profile but because of the absence of fines. YMMV. Find what works best for
your setup, coffee, roast lever, grinder, brew method, taste preference,
etc. And don't be afraid to experiment and try different approaches...
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7) From: Laura Micucci
Hi my name is Laura and I also grind course for FP after hearing that Brett
does (and I like it!)but does it work for my mokkpot too?  I thought you
need to grind finer for mokka?
On 3/24/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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Laura Micucci
www.freshroastedforyou.com

8) From: Tom Ulmer
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Course and plentiful!
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Laura Micucci
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:24 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +A Wonderful Brewing Discovery
Hi my name is Laura and I also grind course for FP after hearing that Brett
does (and I like it!)but does it work for my mokkpot too?  I thought you
need to grind finer for mokka?  
On 3/24/07, Brett Mason  wrote: 
Dave, congratulations!
Now there are two of us who grind incorrectly, using too much coffee,
and not attaining what others seek.  I've gotten the emails onlist and 
offlist explaining that I am just wasting coffee, yadda yadda yadda...
Still,  contrarian that I am, I'll settle for the sweet nectar o'
bean, in my drip, in my press, in my mokkapot, and in my cowboy 
coffee.
Maybe you'll give others the courage to try the sweetness in the bean as
well!
Welcome to the Dark Side,
Brett
On 3/24/07, David Morgenlender < 
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ratio, and I 
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drip, I'd
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using 2
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Harar Decaf;
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love it!
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MokaPot, Yama 
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com--
Laura Micucci
www.freshroastedforyou.com 

9) From: Brett Mason
I love my mokkapot with a very coarse grind, and medium heat for the
second half of the brew time...  Bitter just isn't me....
Brett
  RWA
On 3/24/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:
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10) From: Laura Micucci
hmmm, I will have to give that a try in the morning...
On 3/24/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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Laura Micucci
www.freshroastedforyou.com

11) From: raymanowen
I remember Tom advising folks that grind Coarse and use a lot of coffee to
lighten up on both counts. If you don't grind at the Gravel setting
normally, don't just grind finer arbitrarily.
With 00 being dust, I grind at 55, 1.75:1 for cupping my way in the TV.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

12) From: Lynne Biziewski
David, I have to tell you I tried this with my French Press & the Colombian
Huila I roasted about...was it 5 days ago.. I think. The first brew was out
of this world, then it wasn't as good.
Well, it worked! The sweet flavors came out. Mind you, I have a tendency to
forget, & leave the brew for much longer than I should. I didn't actually
use a coarse grind - just ground it a bit less than normal.
Man, I wish I could find another bean that tasted as sweet and delicious as
this one. I'd say this is the best I've had, so far.
Ah, the wonderful world of coffee roasting...
Lynne

13) From: David Morgenlender
Brett,
I'm still grinding incorrectly & loving it!  Not a bad brew since I've =
started
this way ... except for my first ibrik brew ... but that's another story =
(user
error), and I didn't try coarse with it anyway.
I actually consider using more coffee to be an advantage in its own right=
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using up my stash faster means I can try more new beans!  :)
Dave
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14) From: David Morgenlender
Brian,
Actually, I follow Tom's advice otherwise ... I typically steep for about=
 1:05
roughly, swirl, then steep another 1:10 roughly.  
I use the addon fine filter from SM on the FP.
Dave
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15) From: David Morgenlender
I missed out on the Huila.  I didn't get interested in it by reading all =
the
raves here until it was long gone.  
I'm glad the coarser brewing is working out for you.  I suspect I was =
grinding
finer than most people originally, so I made a big jump when switching to=
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course side.  I haven't even bothered experimenting to see if I can do =
even
better with an additional adjustment, since I'm enjoying the coffee so =
much!
Dave
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16) From: Brian Kamnetz
Wow, that's a short steep. I have been using 1:30 and 1:30; maybe I'll try
cutting back to 1:10 and 1:10 (when I use the FP again; recently I've become
quite enamored of the moka pot).
Brian
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