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Topic: OT - stand mixer (29 msgs / 732 lines)
1) From: Brian Kamnetz
Many folks on this list are very knowledgeable about kitchen equipment. I
have mixer fever. JC Penney has a house brand called "Cooks". They are
selling a 700-watt stand mixer, retail price $300, at a sale price of $150.
Any impressions of the "Cooks" brand of appliances?
Here is a link to this particular mixer.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Brian

2) From: Brian Kamnetz
Oops. Forgot the link:http://www4.jcpenney.com/jcp/ProductsHOM.aspx?DeptID%439&CatID&975&CatTypŢP&ItemTyp=G&GrpTypD&ItemID10d86&ProdSeq&Cat=mixers%2baccess.&Dep=Housewares&PCat=small+electrics&PCatID%874&RefPage=ProductList&Sale=&ProdCount&RecPtr=&ShowMenu=&TTYP=&ShopBy=0&RefPageName=WindowSolutionHOM.aspx&RefCatID%874&RefDeptID%439&Page™&CmCatId%439|25874|26975Brian
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
Know nothing about it/them from personal experience but I'd stay away from
them. Don't like the idea of "non-stick" coated beaters and paddles. While
KitchenAid mixers may not be the quality they once were, our whimpy 325w
Artisan we got on eBay for well less than $200 a few years ago is still
working fine, even with some really good work-outs grinding meat. OTH the
sister has fried two 600w KitchenAid mixer motors, both times while kneading
double batches of bread dough...I think she has finally learned her
lesson:-)
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	Subject: Re: +OT - stand mixer
	
	Oops. Forgot the link:
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	Brian
	
	On 3/14/07, Brian Kamnetz  wrote: 
		Many folks on this list are very knowledgeable about kitchen
equipment. I have mixer fever. JC Penney has a house brand called "Cooks".
They are selling a 700-watt stand mixer, retail price $300, at a sale price
of $150. 
		
		Any impressions of the "Cooks" brand of appliances?
		
		Here is a link to this particular mixer.
		
		Any suggestions will be appreciated.
		
		Thanks,
		
		Brian

4) From: Brian Kamnetz
miKe,
Is the bottom line that mixers cannot be used to knead heavy batches of
bread dough?
Thanks,
Brian
On 3/14/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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5) From: Lynne Biziewski
You need a strong mixer (good motor) to knead dough. I once killed a food
processor I used to mix dough, because I decided to follow someone's
instructions (local baker) to "mix, mix, mix."
I've since returned to kneading by hand, because it gives me more control,
and, I believe, the trick is in letting the dough rest enough.
Lynne
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
I wouldn't say that necessarily. Just "listen" to the motor strain and feel
the units body heat generated. My sister was doing DOUBLE batches of bread
dough over working the motor. I've done numerous stiff mixings with my 325w
Artisan no problem, like bread or roll, biscotti, cookie dough etc. But
single batches worth and it's smaller motor was indeed working hard. I'll
tell ya though I did have concerns when grinding 20# or so of meat a couple
times but it survived:-) FWIW the meat grinder attachment says to use speed
setting 2. That may be fine for a higher wattage KitchenAid, but it was too
low for the 325w Artisan with corresponding lower torque, used 3 or 4
instead - don't remember for sure.
miKe
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	Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:59 AM
	
	miKe,
	
	Is the bottom line that mixers cannot be used to knead heavy batches
of bread dough?
	
	Thanks,
	
	Brian

7) From: Jim Wheeler
I'll second the Kitchen Aid being a good mixer, but you should move up
to the commercial grade if you plan to work it really hard (something
almost no home cooks do).  Our Kitchen Aid has survived numerous
batches of bread, meat grinding, and other forms of heavy work.  It is
at least 15 years old and works like new.  I learned to appreciate
Kitchen Aid when working in restaurants and using the floor-standing
models that were 20+ years old and still working.
-- 
Jim in Skull Valley
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8) From: John Moody
Take a look at the Delonghi DSM7.  It works very well with dough and large
cookie batches.
John

9) From: Aaron
The key is to listen to the motor and feel how hot it is getting.  if 
it's doing the bwUUUrrrr... bwUUUUrrr thing really bad and bogging down, 
just about stalling, and is getting hotter than hell, you are 
overworking it.  Some motors will have a thermal cutout on them but most 
wont and even though you may shut it down, you are still doing long term 
damage.
An occasional workout won't really hurt a motor badly, unless you really 
overload it, but frequent high torque / high current runs on it will 
kill it.  If you smell an odd smell from it, the windings are getting 
too hot and it's time to shut it down,  you will be able to get that 
warning most of the time and shut it down and save it before you let the 
magic smoke out of the wires.
aaron

10) From: Brian Kamnetz
Thanks, John. However, $450 is a little higher than I would like to go.
I don't actually have bread kneading planned, but would like to have the
capability. (I have the dream that as time goes by I will learn to cook,
bake, etc.) The attractive points about the Cooks model at JC Penney are 700
watts (for whatever that is worth), and a sale price of $150. The timing is
prompted by seeing the $150 sale price in a flyer.
Thanks to everyone who responded for your insights and opinions. They are
all appreciated.
Brian
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11) From: Julie H Tieszen
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I learned about Bosch mixers when doing research on grain mills. Sounds =
like a good option if you want to make a lot of bread or make big batchs =
of things. Here's one link I found. I don't think they sell anything =
coffee related that SweetMaria's sells. Forgive me if they do. 
I wish I had know about this mixer when I bought my kitchenaid, although =
I love my kitchenaid for everything else. I just wish it could knead =
more dough at a time.http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/bosch_universal.aspxJulie

12) From: Carole Zatz
If you're dead serious about kneading bread dough then check out the
Viking mixers at King Arthur's flour Bakers Catalog:http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/list.jsp?select=C82&byCategory=C143I have both an old (30 years old) and new (2 years old) Kitchen Aid
mixer. You do have to be careful not to overload either of them.
Kitchen Aid was great when it was made by Hobart. I make this huge –
20" to 24" wide – round loaf but neither of the mixers I have will
work for this. I have to do it by hand.

13) From:
the Delonghi, the kitchen aid and the viking are great machines.
you do need a motor that will push your stuff but remember not to OVERLOAD =
the bowl.
brian if you can get a mixer for 150 bucks that is 700 watts, with a warran=
ty, buy it. keep your receipt and when it is not working in 91 days jc penn=
y will not take it back.
go to costco, buy their kitchen aid for 325, it has a 625 plus motor, a few=
 freebees and if it fails in 6 months you have recourse.
you never mentioned what was the "call of the mixer", the reason you had to=
 have one was...
ginny
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14) From: Frank Parth
And Peter Reinhart's great book The Bread Baker's Apprentice, says exactly that. To make great bread you have to develop a feel for what's going on and you can't do that with a machine.
Frank
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15) From: priest Mark Gilstrap
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Perusehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mixer-Owners/Bosch Universal or the Magic Mill DLX (aka Electrolux Assistent) are the =
heavy duty standards (and come w/ bread snob status).
For the latest round of the perrenial Bosch vs DLX comparisons see =http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mixer-Owners/message/16134

16) From: Marci Morey
I have had a Bosch mixer for about 15 years and it's a workhorse. There was a time when my oldest had a bit of a bread business going and was making 20-30 loaves a week, 5 loaves to a batch, no problem. The only problem I've had with it was when the kiddos broke the blender jar (and they had to work hard to do that!). It does cost considerably more than $150 though and even 15 years ago it wasn't cheap. 
   
  Marci in Illinois, thinking I'd rather stay home and bake bread than go to work today
Julie H Tieszen  wrote:
          I learned about Bosch mixers when doing research on grain mills. Sounds like a good option if you want to make a lot of bread or make big batchs of things. Here's one link I found. I don't think they sell anything coffee related that SweetMaria's sells. Forgive me if they do. 
   
  I wish I had know about this mixer when I bought my kitchenaid, although I love my kitchenaid for everything else. I just wish it could knead more dough at a time.
   
 http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/bosch_universal.aspx   
  Julie

17) From: Brett Mason
We're all calling in sick, and then heading to Marci's house.  Cmon
over everyone!  The bread sounds great, and beats work....  I am
taking my Brazil Fazenda Brauna Flatbean with me - FC+ in a drip
pot....
Brett
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18) From: Larry Johnson
If/when my Kitchen Aid bites the big one, I'll be shopping for one that has
a slower slow speed. I have mixed/kneaded some pretty thick doughs with no
problem, but its slowest speed will fling flour all over if you try to blend
the dry ingredients with it. The Viking looks nice, but who can afford it
when they're trying to save up for a Mazzer Mini?
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19) From: Lynne Biziewski
I think that's a great idea. It's drizzling rain here in Boston, definately
a bake bread, make soup & curl up w/a book kinda day.
We're all coming over, Marci!
Thanks for the info on the Bosch. In the future I am going to be much more
careful with my appliance purchases - if & when I do invest in a mixer
(since I JUST hurt my wrist, & it doesn't want to get better, I might want
to get one at some point), I'll look into that brand. What model do you
have?
Lynne
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20) From: Mike Chester
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Tell her to try a Bosch Universal for bread.  It will knead up to 11 lb at a 
time and it costs ~ $300. I have had one for many years now after I also 
burned up a KA Pro kneading a dough I did hundreds of times in my old Hobart 
built KA 265 Watt machine.   I have also heard good things about the new 
Viking mixers, but they are ~ $550.
Mike Chester

21) From: Brian Kamnetz
Mike,
Out of idle curiosity, what happened to your old old Hobart-built KA 265
Watt machine?
Brian
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22) From: Mike Chester
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I still have it and it still works.  I just wanted a machine with more =
capacity.  
Mike

23) From: GHolli7210
just my 2 cents, the DLX is a nice choice too,
Jerry
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24) From: Marci Morey
Brett Mason  wrote:    >>We're all calling in sick, and then heading to Marci's house. Cmon
over everyone! The bread sounds great, and beats work.... I am
taking my Brazil Fazenda Brauna Flatbean with me - FC+ in a drip
pot....
   
  Don't I wish! All these thoughts of home made bread.... I think I'm going to make some Cinnabon type cinnamon rolls this weekend! Coffee goes great with those!
   
  Marci in Illinois
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25) From: Brett Mason
I need directions from Interstate 80....
Thanks,
Brett
  Incredibly hungry for a Cinnabon
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26) From: Marci Morey
Lynne Biziewski  wrote:    >>I think that's a great idea. It's drizzling rain here in Boston, definately a bake bread, make soup & curl up w/a book kinda day.
We're all coming over, Marci!
Thanks for the info on the Bosch. In the future I am going to be much more careful with my appliance purchases - if & when I do invest in a mixer (since I JUST hurt my wrist, & it doesn't want to get better, I might want to get one at some point), I'll look into that brand. What model do you have? 
   
  No rain here near Chicago but fresh bread would certainly help this day. Spring visited earlier this week but today we're back to chilly.
   
  I have the Bosch Universal. 
   
  Marci in Illinois
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27) From: Marci Morey
Let's see, from Des Moines.... head East on I 80, go North on I 294, if you reach Wisconsin, you've gone too far. 
   
  Marci in Illinois
  
Brett Mason  wrote:
  I need directions from Interstate 80....
Thanks,
Brett
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28) From: Rich M
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If you hit Wisconsin, feel free to stop by and have a cup of misty  
valley before turning back to find Marci's place. I'm going to try  
out a new recipe for tiramisu today. Should be a nice combination.
Rich M
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If you hit Wisconsin, feel free =
to stop by and have a cup of misty valley before turning back to find =
Marci's place. I'm going to try out a new recipe for tiramisu today. =
Should be a nice combination.
Rich = M On Mar 15, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Marci Morey = wrote:
Let's see, from Des Moines.... head East on I 80, go = North on I 294, if you reach Wisconsin, you've gone too far. =   Marci in Illinois Brett = Mason <homeroast> = wrote: I need directions from = Interstate 80.... Thanks, Brett Incredibly hungry for a = Cinnabon On 3/15/07, Marci Morey wrote: > Brett Mason = wrote: > > >>We're all calling in sick, and then = heading to Marci's house. Cmon > over everyone! The bread sounds = great, and beats work.... I am > taking my Brazil Fazenda Brauna = Flatbean with me - FC+ in a drip > pot.... > > > = Don't I wish! All these thoughts of home made bread.... I think I'm = going to > make some Cinnabon type cinnamon rolls this weekend! = Coffee goes great with > those! > > Marci in = Illinois > > > No = need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for = Mobile. Get started. > > -- = Cheers, Brett http://homeroast.freeservers.com= homeroast = mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to = http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings Bored = stiff? Loosen up... Downlo= ad and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! = Games. = --Apple-Mail-3-412319757--

29) From: Brian Kamnetz
This model is currently available from Amazon for $200, plus there is a $20
rebate.
Brian
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