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Topic: On Topic- Caffeine Calculator (33 msgs / 736 lines)
1) From: Jeremy DeFranco
O.K. This has been bugging me for some time now. Illy claims espresso has
LESS caffeine than a cup of coffee. Yet popular belief (and the website
listed) assumes a shot of espresso has considerably MORE caffeine than a cup
of coffee. Which is it???
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2) From: Brett Mason
2oz espresso and 8oz coffe, or are you comparing
one shot and a VENTI
or?
One definitely has more caffeine than the other unless you create an
absolutely perfect pair...
Brett
  RWA
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3) From: bb
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From: Jeremy DeFranco [mailto:jeremy.defranco] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:18 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: +On Topic- Caffeine Calculator
O.K. This has been bugging me for some time now. Illy claims espresso has
LESS caffeine than a cup of coffee. Yet popular belief (and the website
listed) assumes a shot of espresso has considerably MORE caffeine than a cup
of coffee. Which is it??? 
-----And lots of other interesting things can be found here:http://www.energyfiend.com/

4) From:
illy is correct...
funny I just read that starbucks and one other company is going to begin putting the amount of caffeine in their canned stuff. Has anyone had the Mr. Bond canned latte?
The best plus it actually states it has 35% COFFEE in it, can you believe. None of the other canned javas list coffee amount...
ginny
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5) From: Dave
Is it candy-sweet like the others I've tried? I drink coffee, not syrup.
Thanks!
-- 
Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
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6) From: Andy Thomas
Read it again, Jeremy. According to the site you posted, a cup of drip coff=
ee has 145g caffeine; a shot of espresso has 77.
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considerably MORE caffeine than a cup of coffee. Which is it??? 
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7) From: Jeremy DeFranco
I am comparing a 2 oz shot of espresso to an 8 oz serving of coffee...
---2oz espresso and 8oz coffe, or are you comparing
one shot and a VENTI
or?
One definitely has more caffeine than the other unless you create an
absolutely perfect pair...
Brett
  RWA

8) From: Brett Mason
According to the caffeine chart at the link you provided,
  2oz of espresso has 101mg  (chart showed 77mg for 1.5 oz)
  8oz brewed coffee has 145mg
So, coffee wins, especially the brewed...
Regards,
Brett
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9) From:
Brett:
what the hell is this, coffee wins, they are both coffee!!
g
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10) From: Eddie Dove
So those that switch to Americanos actually reduce their caffeine intake ...
hmmm ...
Eddie
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11) From: miKe mcKoffee
When traveling and making press pot, I've definitely noticed greater
caffeine from press cup than Americano - straight shot - cappuccino etc.
More caffeine per cup is not necessarily a good thing IMO. Drinking a right
nice lungo double shot Kowali Kona Americano, which later will be followed
by a cappuccino of the last of stash last of roast pull of Harrar Lot 30. 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Eddie Dove
	Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:22 AM
	
	So those that switch to Americanos actually reduce their caffeine
intake ... hmmm ...
	
	Eddie
	
	On 3/21/07, Brett Mason < homeroast
 > wrote: 
		According to the caffeine chart at the link you provided, 
		  2oz of espresso has 101mg  (chart showed 77mg for 1.5 oz)
		  8oz brewed coffee has 145mg
		 
		So, coffee wins, especially the brewed...
		Regards,
		Brett

12) From: Floyd Lozano
is that a single shot or a double shot?  who drinks only 1-1.5 oz of
espresso!
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13) From: miKe mcKoffee
That would be a double shot ristretto. Not uncommon at all.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Floyd Lozano
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	is that a single shot or a double shot?  who drinks only 1-1.5 oz of
espresso!

14) From: Brett Mason
I grew up with ridles, always liked them....
Who only drinks 1-1.5oz of espresso?
  A 1-1.5oz espresso drinking monster.
Let me know any other difficult questions you're facing, and we can help
with those as well.
Or as I posted earlier, QUANTITY is a MULTIPLIER...
Calculators are cheap,
Brett
  RWA
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15) From: Jeff Guarino
I was always under the impression that espresso had the lowest caffeine content due to the amount of pressure in extraction and the general dark roast. At the other end of the spectrum was instant due to using low grade robusta beans. 
Maybe Tom can chime in. 
Jeff
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16) From: Derek Bradford
Like miKe said...  Lots of people.  Many of us do it daily.  Quality
over quantity, remember?
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17) From: miKe mcKoffee
It's the short extraction time of an espresso shot, takes longer to extract
caffeine than the essence that is coffee. Espresso being a "dark roast" or
any roast level for that matter is a case of misinformation lack of coffee
education...Espresso is a brewing method.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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18) From: Sandy Andina
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Nonetheless, darker roasts, regardless of how they're brewed, have  
less caffeine because it deteriorates as the sugars caramelize and burn.
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regardless of how they're brewed, have less caffeine because it =
deteriorates as the sugars caramelize and burn.
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2007, at 12:00 AM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
It's the short extraction time of an espresso shot, = takes longer to extractcaffeine than = the essence that is coffee. Espresso being a "dark roast" orany roast level for that matter is a case of = misinformation lack of coffee Kona = Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffeeURL to Rosto = mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint=.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmfirst not know. And in knowing = know I know not. Each Personal enlightenmentfound exploring the many divergent foot steps of = Those who have gone before. Sweet Maria's List - Searchable = Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ 

19) From: Floyd Lozano
it was my impression that it was easier to extract a quality double shot
than a single shot, based on my reading and reviews of others.  I guess this
is not the case?  I guess i wasn't thinking of the 'pull a double with the
(whatever you call the splitter that diverts the flow into 2 glasses) and
share with a buddy' possibility though.
-F
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20) From: Brett Mason
If you espresso, you die.
If you don't espresso, you die.
Why not espresso, you're gunna die anyway...
Please make mine 3.14159265 shots - that's a pretty popular number...
Brett
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21) From: miKe mcKoffee
Agreed generally speaking most consumer pump machines easier to pull double
shot (double basket) than single shot (single basket). Personally no, I
never split a double shot into two single shots, don't even have the spout
shot splitter on a PF anymore.
I'll also reiterate a double shot ristretto pull is 1 to 1.5oz, which was my
original answer to the query of "who only drinks 1-1.5oz of espresso". This
has nothing to do with a 'normale' pull 1-1.5oz single shot...
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Floyd Lozano
	Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:55 AM
	
	it was my impression that it was easier to extract a quality double
shot than a single shot, based on my reading and reviews of others.  I guess
this is not the case?  I guess i wasn't thinking of the 'pull a double with
the (whatever you call the splitter that diverts the flow into 2 glasses)
and share with a buddy' possibility though. 
	-F
	
	On 3/22/07, Derek Bradford  wrote: 
		Like miKe said...  Lots of people.  Many of us do it daily.
Quality
		over quantity, remember?
		
		On 3/21/07, Floyd Lozano < fplozano> wrote:
		> is that a single shot or a double shot?  who drinks only
1-1.5 oz of
		> espresso!

22) From: miKe mcKoffee
And will you be having a piece of pi with your espresso shot:-)
miKe 
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23) From: Larry Johnson
Point goes to mcKoffee.
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If this is coffee, please bring me some tea; but if this is tea, please
bring me some coffee.
  - Abraham Lincoln

24) From: Brett Mason
Extra points if the PI is from the place in Vermont where John is heading...
And bring your French Press, and Zass, makes a blueberry PI taste even better!
Brett
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25) From: miKe mcKoffee
Personally I'd prefer a 3Pi cappuccino with that slice of blueberry Pi.
(Cap' made from (2Pi)Pi grams Harrar Lot 30 double lungo shot (Pi volume
double shot pull including crema) and Pi ounces of milk before steaming
yielding 3Pi ounce cappuccino:-)
miKe
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26) From: Diablo
There was a paper that had the correlations between brews and espressos.  They
each contained nearly the same amount of TDS,,,,,,depending on how you dose
each of course.  How closely related TDS and caffeine is we know.  A variable
may include the effects of pressure and heat on caffeine, if any.  
From what I gathered from the informal study I read, in one ounce of espresso
you get about the same TDS as in a 5-6 ounce cup of brewed coffee.  This study
was made measuring TDS in espressos as the study, and the TDS for brews was a
given or what was found to be common.
I could be wrong, I'll look it up when I have a chance.  Trying to choke down
*$, I got caught in a pinch and had no choice. 
Note: though it's given that any product from the afore mentioned chain
establishment is not good for much beyond education on what burned coffee
tastes like, be especially weary of their Espresso blend, as a brew.  Will
refrain from further narrative as I could go on for ever with descriptors of
what they are trying to pass as a fine coffee beverage.
Leo
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27) From: Floyd Lozano
You always have a choice.  I've gotten to the point where if I can't drink
fresh roasted, I won't drink coffee.  In fact i won't even drink caffeine
containing soda any more because then I run the risk of getting
overcaffeinated and when the opportunity to drink fresh roasted coffee comes
i might not be able to!
-F
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28) From: miKe mcKoffee
Immediate award of 50 CSA abstinence points!
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Floyd Lozano
	Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:16 AM
	
	You always have a choice.  I've gotten to the point where if I can't
drink fresh roasted, I won't drink coffee.  In fact i won't even drink
caffeine containing soda any more because then I run the risk of getting
overcaffeinated and when the opportunity to drink fresh roasted coffee comes
i might not be able to! 
	-F
	 
	On 3/22/07, Diablo  wrote: 
		I could be wrong, I'll look it up when I have a chance.
Trying to choke down
		*$, I got caught in a pinch and had no choice.

29) From:
gotta tell ya miKe, it's depends (yes) on what the piE is made from, hopefully not pork butt...
ginny
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30) From:
how many points do I get?
ginny
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31) From: Steven Van Dyke
The Frappucino is your friend when you're away from home.  It's not 
really coffee, but it's got caffeine and the other flavors cover up 
the stale.  Fortunately I'm *hard* to over-caffeinate.
At 01:15 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote:
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32) From: Leo Zick
What the hell is this thread about?

33) From: Brett Mason
Learning to multiply...
Thx for asking,
Brett
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