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Topic: Phoenix Pow Wow (31 msgs / 774 lines)
1) From:
Two fantastic, incredible roasters are meeting in Phoenix on April Fool's Day.
If anyone is around the area give us a call 480 202 0195. We plan to meet around 9/10 am at the Hyatt in Phoenix. 
Quick coffee and chat...
ginny
brett
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2) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Darn!  Wish I could.  Sounds fun.  :(
Michael
On Mar 28, 2007, at 2:56 PM,  wrote:
Two fantastic, incredible roasters are meeting in Phoenix on April 
Fool's Day.
If anyone is around the area give us a call 480 202 0195. We plan to 
meet around 9/10 am at the Hyatt in Phoenix.
Quick coffee and chat...
ginny
brett
and?

3) From: Brett Mason
This fool will be there!
Brett
On 3/28/07, pchforever  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

4) From:
Oh I know that...
me too.
with greens and other stuff.
g
hope you have a BIG suitcase!
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5) From: Michael Mccandless
Sounds like a plan.
McSparky - (Mike & Penny)
480-221-6998
On 3/28/07, pchforever  wrote:
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6) From:
great, welcome if you can make it super!
you have my cell.
ginny
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7) From: Brett Mason
Boy did we have a fun time!  Mike and Penny, and Ginny, and Arnold (new
recruit) and myself...  We had some great Idido Misty Valley, some Brazil
Fazenda Flatbean, and lots of stories to tell.  Goodies were shared, some
gifts, and a whole bunch of fun.   Not one twisted pink - oops - so we
talked about the ways we roast, how we grind, the proprer way to French
Press, and there were pictures and hugs for all.
OK, so the proper way to French Press is a very coarse grind of Full City
Plus Brazil, and a 4 minute steep.  Now we have some more sweet coffee
converts, and we gained an understanding of how a coarse grind and fresh
roast make a sweet cup!
Zassman strikes again!
Brett
On 3/28/07, pchforever  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

8) From:
Brett:
Thanks for the post. WE HAD SO MUCH FUN!!!
The FRENCH PRESS coffee I had that Brett made was the best I have ever had. I gasped when I saw the grind but lord what a difference it made.
I made French press yesterday morning, using the coarse grind and everyone loved it!!
Amazing.
We will be posting more info and pictures at homeroasters.org
forum
ginny
brett, my pictures did not come out!!
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9) From: Wes Tyler
Brett..I'd like to try your course grind method in a Technivorm.. What does the grind look like? I use a Rocky grinder. How many grams per ounce of water? I have some Misty Valley done in Doug Strait's modded pumper to about City+ roasted 3/31. If you converted Ginny, I may want to repent and convert myself.
Wes
----- Original Message ----
From: Brett Mason 
To: homeroast
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:57:22 PM
Subject: Re: +Phoenix Pow Wow
Boy did we have a fun time!  Mike and Penny, and Ginny, and Arnold (new recruit) and myself...  We had some great Idido Misty Valley, some Brazil Fazenda Flatbean, and lots of stories to tell.  Goodies were shared, some gifts, and a whole bunch of fun.   Not one twisted pink - oops - so we talked about the ways we roast, how we grind, the proprer way to French Press, and there were pictures and hugs for all.
OK, so the proper way to French Press is a very coarse grind of Full City Plus Brazil, and a 4 minute steep.  Now we have some more sweet coffee converts, and we gained an understanding of how a coarse grind and fresh roast make a sweet cup!  
Zassman strikes again!
Brett
On 3/28/07, pchforever  wrote:
great, welcome if you can make it super!
you have my cell.
ginny
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.comDon't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

10) From: Brett Mason
Hi Wes,
I grind as wide as Rocky will go, which is around 50...  I would use a
heaping tablespoon per cup - or perhaps 2.5 to 3oz for a 12cup pot....
Regards,
Brett
On 4/2/07, Wes Tyler  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

11) From: Michael Mccandless
I'll second the coarse grind approach.
Excellent cup & very few fines.
Finally got a shot at the lot 30 - Thanks Ginny.
It's great in the cup - primo.
Great meet - Great people.
It seems we attracted some very interesting people.
Henry Kissinger stopped by as well as a Mensa member.
Looking forward to the next one.
Mike & Penny
On 4/2/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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12) From:
Yeah Henry was a trip.
I can't wait for Brett to send photos so we can decide what goes up.
Great time was had by all. 
Mike I am delighted you like the Horse 30. Tell me how it tasted to you and how did you brew?>
You guys should see Mike's '86 soft tail...
cool ride. I was jealous Penny.
warmest regards,
ginny
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13) From: Floyd Lozano
i was trying to grind coarser and coarser, and finding poor results for me.
I am thinking there's a valley between 'very course' and 'more fine' that I
have been sitting in and having bad luck with coffee.  I will have to try
the wicked coarse approach at some point.  I use a Bunn coffee machine (i
have to ease the wife into a quality coffee budget, you know) and right now,
I am running about +31 on a Rocky at 8 grams coffee per Bunn cup and having
very good results.  The fines, though, are really annoying me.  That's what
I get for buying a refurb I guess.  Time to find me some burrs!
-F
ps can't wait til the Zassii are available again
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14) From: Eddie Dove
Zasii ... your funny!
Eddie
On 4/2/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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15) From: Coffeenut
Floyd,
I've played with this on my Rocky DL and the Technivorm.  For me the sweet
spot for drip has been 40 on my Rocky, over-filling the TechV (57oz water)
and using ~66gms of coffee.  I've experimented with grinds at 30, 25 on the
Rocky and so on and didn't like the results.  This whole thread about going
even more coarse that 40 is interesting and I will give that a try to see if
I can tell any improvement.
Rick
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Floyd Lozano
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:20 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Phoenix Pow Wow
i was trying to grind coarser and coarser, and finding poor results for me.
I am thinking there's a valley between 'very course' and 'more fine' that I
have been sitting in and having bad luck with coffee.  I will have to try
the wicked coarse approach at some point.  I use a Bunn coffee machine (i
have to ease the wife into a quality coffee budget, you know) and right now,
I am running about +31 on a Rocky at 8 grams coffee per Bunn cup and having
very good results.  The fines, though, are really annoying me.  That's what
I get for buying a refurb I guess.  Time to find me some burrs! 
-F
ps can't wait til the Zassii are available again
 
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16) From: Brett Mason
try three pots - eeach more coarse than you cvan imagine...
If it's too thin, try more coffee,,,
(((((Tom, If I sell more of your coffem it;s only causeI like thes
stuff...))))
Apart from that, get yerself some dourage and experiment...
Brett
  P.S.  I apologize that you have no guts and won't try anything different
tham the party line....
   Try FOLGERS - it's accepted...
On 4/2/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

17) From: Eddie Dove
Floyd,
If I remember correctly, the Bunn brews really quickly.  You may have
to use a LOT more coffee to get the Brett effect.
Eddie
On 4/2/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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18) From: Mike Garfias
Crap!
This is what I get for not reading my email for at least a week.  If  
I had known I would have shown up.
On Apr 2, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Brett Mason wrote:
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19) From: Brett Mason
I returned a Bunn to the manufacturer last year at this time because of two
problems...
  1. brewed so fast the coffee was under-infused
  2. could not handle enough coffee in the basket to make a good coffee -
came out thin...
Bunn has the right idea with water temperature.  Shame they don't have a
device that actually brews coffee...
Brett
On 4/3/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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20) From:
Mike,
go to homeroasters.org
the forum and note your email address in the HUGS section for AZ.
You would have had a great time.
ginny
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21) From: Floyd Lozano
You have it right on this account, and I wish i had realized it when I
bought i tforever ago.  It brews faster than ... something that happens
really fast.  So in my case, you'd need to grind much finer than expected to
get the right rate of infusion, probably approaching espresso fineness.  At
any rate, I just pulled the trigger on a refurb TV (I am all about the
handmedowns) so we'll see how that goes.
-F
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22) From: Ed Needham
Bunn brews very average cup of coffee in my opinion.  The water sits in a 
boiler for hours at a time, then gets sprayed at about 190F over the grinds. 
The thin filters let the water pass through fairly quickly with both uneven 
and underextracted flavors.  A manual pourover solves all this with much 
less money involved.  It takes a little extra work, but the outcome 'I 
think' is well worth it.
Why take great pains to buy great green beans, roast them to perfection, 
then slop through the brewing with half hearted effort in the name of 
'convenience'.
Back when I was married, my wife didn't want to futz around with the manual 
pourover in the morning.  She wanted her coffee fast and easy, so we had a 
Bunn.  I got up a little later and brewed with a manual pourover.  If I 
brewed fresh with each one and compared the two, the difference was night 
and day.  A $12 Melitta manual pourover could blow the socks off a Bunn.
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23) From: Floyd Lozano
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Well, when I started the journey, I read a bunch of reviews, or tried to
wade through the morass of information out there, some good, some bad, very
little specific, and none of it verified or validated by any testing
organization I could find.  The Bunn, on sale and 10% off at Target, was in
my price range.  The Technivorm was not.  I wasn't going to not drive
because I couldn't afford the Ferrari but could afford the Jetta!
So now I'm going to buy a refurb Ferrari.  I'm hopeful.  As for effort, you
know, nothing is perfect, I compromise.  The time from 'feet hit the floor'
to 'ass out the door' is like 25 minutes, and there's not a lot of time in
that for coffee brewing! =)  Maybe once I can figure out how to get 6 hours
of sleep a night or more I'll get up earlier and take the time to do it
right.  Or take a grindnbrew kit to work and do it there (which I used to
do, actually, except i had to PREGRIND my coffee at home, gasp shock
zealotous outrage)
-F

24) From: Ed Needham
My morning routine is very close to yours, and I understand your allergy to 
morning.  I too, stay up all hours of the night and then get up way too 
early, trying to convince myself I can stay in bed just a few more minutes 
and skip something unimportant like shaving or whatever.  Coffee gets the 
royal treatment no matter what else I scrimp on in the morning.  An electric 
hot pot heats the water to boiling in about 5 minutes while I grind, 
pre-warm the mug, thermos and Chemex, and grind the beans.  I also take that 
time to throw on some clothes and get my stuff together for work.  I make 
the first pour to wet the beans, come back a minute later or clean the 
countertop while I wait.  I do another full pour and another and check email 
between pours.  A few sips of coffee, brush my teeth and out the door I go 
with a pop tart or bagel I toasted while I was brewing the coffee.  It's all 
a dance.  And a dance I like to do to get my morning started right.
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25) From: Floyd Lozano
So now I feel like an idiot for spending $180 on an appliance that heats
water and pours it over ground coffee ;P
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26) From: Ed Needham
Don't worry.  It will wear out some day and then you can 'upgrade' to a $12 
Melitta Manual Pourover.
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27) From: Floyd Lozano
So if the Melitta manual pourover is so much greater than the Technivorm,
why do so many gush about them?  Why does Tom even sell them?  Why not say,
as he does with other products 'dude, save your money, buy 15 Melitta
pourovers, in case the first 14 break'?
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28) From: Larry Johnson
One word - convenience.
Oh, and one other - gadgetry.
On 4/4/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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Larry J
If this is coffee, please bring me some tea; but if this is tea, please
bring me some coffee.
  - Abraham Lincoln

29) From: Brett Mason
Floyd, that's a good question...
  Effort, convenience, automation and control are factors for every brew
method.  I love my Clarity for the first cup each morning.  Clarity has the
temp control that Technivorm has - great concept.
Clarity does not compare with my french press, ever.  But it is more
convenient.
French Press does not compare to my vacpot brewer.  But my vacpot has a lot
more effort and care to exert than my FP.
This concept holds for my grinder as well.  Many people comment that they
don't want to work that hard, or their hands cannot sustain the stress and
perhaps pain for some...
In the past you may recall that I offer up "Folgers" as a solution when
effort seems to be a hurdle.  Folgers is the ultimate solution if you give
up taste and cup quality....
So the pourover method rocks, and so does the Technivorm.  Depends on your
personal application...
Brett
  Zassed a French Press Harrar this morning...  Beans from Ginny
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30) From: Ed Needham
Each to their own.  Some want an auto machine.  It heats and pours 
automatically.  If you want that, then get it.  I'd be fairly confident the 
Technivorm can make good coffee.  Likely better than other drip machines.
Personally, for me, I tend to try to keep things simple.  I like the process 
of being able to control the water temperature and the pour rate.  I like to 
watch and participate and see how the grinds bloom and brew.  I also think I 
can pour the water to extract coffee flavor better than an auto machine. 
But it's all just my opinion, and it's only worth what someone thinks it's 
worth.
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31) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Ed,
I think what you say is true.  I enjoy those things, as well.  When I 
have time.  However, for me, with my rushed morning routine.. the TV is =
a good compromise.  It controls the temp perfectly (I know cause I have =
measured it several times) and it yields great coffee.  But it really 
just boils down to (no pun intended) personal preference.
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:36 AM, Ed Needham wrote:
Each to their own.  Some want an auto machine.  It heats and pours 
automatically.  If you want that, then get it.  I'd be fairly confident =
the Technivorm can make good coffee.  Likely better than other drip 
machines.
Personally, for me, I tend to try to keep things simple.  I like the 
process of being able to control the water temperature and the pour 
rate.  I like to watch and participate and see how the grinds bloom and =
brew.  I also think I can pour the water to extract coffee flavor 
better than an auto machine. But it's all just my opinion, and it's 
only worth what someone thinks it's worth.
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