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Topic: What grill should I get for RK Drum roasting (32 msgs / 881 lines)
1) From: DeCambre.Peter
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2) From: Ross
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Hi guys,
I'm making the step up from IR2 to the RK drum.  I see Ron uses a Fiesta =
grill and he said a Brinkman from Wal-Mart worked well too, I don't have =
the model number though.  I've started looking for a dedicated roaster =
grill, before I make the plunge does anyone have any lessons learned in =
grill selection that could help.  
Thanks,
Ross 

3) From: Eddie Dove
Ross,
I asked this question of Ron Kyle and here is his response:
here is my opinion, 4lbs 36K minimum 45K better.
I still like the Brinkman 45K in the tub and 12K on the side burner,
same price, sold at wal mart.
Research 45K will use less gas to get the job done.
I have a 36K and 4 lbs maxes it out to get done in 20 to 22 min.
I like grills that have a low profile hood like the Webber and the
Brinkman, Cadilac verses Chevrolet cost wise.
RK
Hope this helps ...
Eddie
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4) From: Eddie Dove
I didn't ask Ron Kyle if I could quote him so I hope it was okay to do so ...
Eddie
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5) From: Frank Coster
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Ross,
If you plan on doing large batches, 3 or 4 lbs, I would suggest at least =
40K BTU. The brands I've heard recommended are, Brinkmann, Charbroil and =
Weber. Your budget and physical size limitations are your guidelines. =
You can modify the interior of ones that are drafty by installing =
flashing. That really helps with heat retention. I did this with my 50K =
BTU 4 burner Charbroil. While roasting 4 lbs, my two end burners are at =
full low setting and the two middle burners are at 1/2 setting, so there =
is more than enough heat available with the 50K. But I roast in a =
protected environment (open garage and outside temp rarely below 50f). =
If you anticipate roasting in cold weather and exposed areas, I would =
suggest at least 50K BTU then.
Frank

6) From: Eddie Dove
Frank,
"While roasting 4 lbs, my two end burners are at full low setting and
the two middle burners are at 1/2 setting"
I must not be reading this right.  I am just about finished my grill
and this is advice that I need.  You have the two end burners full on
and the interior burners at 1/2?
Eddie
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7) From: Jeff Oien
I use a 30k btu Charbroil and it's NOT enough if I want to do much more 
than 2 lbs. in cold weather. I would concur with what Frank said. Even 
in warm weather 3 lbs. is pushing it. No real profile can be done, just 
crank er up and hope it gets to first crack soon enough. Although when I 
did 3 lbs. the coffee tasted great.*
I could look into insulation etc. but I'm not doing more than 2 lb. 
roasts anymore.
JeffO
*So much for profiling. It was probably a steady, even ramp up that 
happened to work really well.
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8) From: Frank Coster
Eddie,
Sorry, I wrote that poorly. The two end burners are turned all the way down 
the their lowest setting.
Frank Coster
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9) From: Eddie Dove
OH!  Thank you!
I do appreciate it, Frank.
Eddie
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10) From:
This is a test. My posts are coming in two days later. Am I in the toilet again where I must be screened!!??
ginny
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11) From: raymanowen
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12) From: RK
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Its OK.
 I noticed that the new charbroil 25-30K no longer have a slot for a spit 
rod. If Iwas to replace my fiesta I would buy a Brinkman Pro series sold at 
Wal-Mart for $199http://snipurl.com/pmf345K in the tub and 12K side burner.
RK

13) From: Floyd Lozano
omg out of stock!  recommend another!  preferably one with no side burner
and a fold downable sides for compact storetivity.
-F
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14) From: raymanowen
Bad button... Again!
When you're building up a drag racer engine and wonder about things like
boring, stroking, porting, polishing and cam timing, you just know that
whatever your bud did to his street rod was good, as far as he went.
More would be better, and too much would be just enough. You could control
everything with the levers under your feet, or the twisty thing in your
right hand.
Affordability of the grill is one consideration, just get a grill physically
large enough for your drum and drive motor.
My plan is to build a completely different top cover with insulation and
adjustable vent flue.
The burners can be "hot rodded" easily by reaming out the gas jet orifices
and adding additional burner plates in tandem on top of the burners.
Don't waste your money by getting a grill too small to use as is or mod for
roasting.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"There's no substitute for cubes..." - -Don Garlits

15) From: Ross
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Ray,
Good idea, I am going to convert to natural gas because I already have a =
plug and I'm too lazy to be refilling bottles.  So I'll just get the =
cheap Fiesta for a little over $100 add a stack of burners and iron =
plate it.  I will only have to raise the temp about 350 degrees anyway, =
I live in Tucson AZ.
Thanks,
Ross

16) From: Ed Needham
You might find that grill at a WalMart store.  You might also notice that 
many grills do not come with a tank, which adds about $30 more.
I guess I feel the need to chime in with another option.
IF it were me, I would go for something like thishttp://www.chargriller.com/shop/grills/wrangler.htmland add a propane burner, which you can get at any Lowes, Home Depot or 
other place that sells grill equipment.  Add a powerful rotisserie motor, a 
propane burner, maybe a better placed thermometer and you would have one 
dandy roaster that would look cool, and not be affected as much by the wind. 
It has a drum shape, a vent, a sealed lid, and no frills that you wouldn't 
need otherwise.  It may even have a thermometer that actually works! since 
it is targeted toward people who might actually use it.  The price seems to 
be decent too.  $129 through the above link or $118.99 at Amazon.com.http://www.amazon.com/Char%252dGriller-Wrangler-Charcoal-Grill/dp/B000AXWTS8/ref=sr_1_5/002-3303398-4018430?ieF8&s=home-garden&qid75486711&sr=1-5A burner and controls assembly could probably be scavenged from a used grill 
set on the side of the road.  Throw away the rusted out burner and use the 
controls.
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17) From: Ross
Ron,
What do you do with the side burner?  I'm guessing you just take it off and 
use it for something else like a camp stove or something.
Ross

18) From: Coffeenut
Have you seen the baby offset smoker at Walmart?  It's just about the right
size for drum roasting and ~ $79.  I saw one the other day and the first
thing I thought was...potential coffee roaster material.  When you've been
roasting for years, you start seeing coffee roasting material in a lot of
every day things.  Again, you would have to fit it with gas burners and
such, but Lowes/HD carry all that stuff in stock.  The neat thing about
these little smokers is their smaller tubular size and that they don't have
a bunch of openings to allow wind to play havoc with the roaster.
More food for thought:http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id72388Rick

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Rick:
That look great. I ay run over to wally world and see if they have one.
cool
ginny
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20) From: John Moody
Don't we _want_ lots of airflow through the grill so we don't "smoke-roast"
the beans?
If that is the case, a closed gas smoker with chimney might make a good
roaster if a blower is used to force a steady airflow through it.  The wind
would indeed have very little effect then; something I have been pondering
lately.
John

21) From: RK
heck no I don't take it off it comes in great for those times at least in my 
part of the country when the ice storms knock out the power, can cook, make 
coffee etc.
RK

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that's what I was thinking.
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23) From: Ed Needham
My grill setup uses a 'flue' and I initially thought I would need a blower 
or exhaust fan of some sort.  Not needed.  The draft from the flue sucks 
more than I would functionally want pulled from the roaster.  I have a 
damper and many times have it half closed to reduce the draft.
I'm seriously considering buying the grill I described.  I think it would be 
a significant upgrade from the grill body I now have (shown on my website)
The offset smoker suggested by Rick might work fine if the offset portion 
was removed or just not used and gas burners added inside the main body.
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24) From: Coffeenut
Yes, that would be something I'd certainly investigate with a smoker turned
coffee roaster.  I think it would be fairly easy to do with a small fan like
the ones employed in PID airflow devices for ceramic BBQ grills.  Matter of
fact, the folks over at the BBQ Guru make an adapter for their fans that is
designed to fit these offset smokers.  Their fans are PID controlled, but
you could just mount a similar fan with your own form of control.
I also wanted to point out that I think the grill that Ed Needham shared
appears to have a better design for converting into a coffee roaster.  The
product he suggested has a lid similar to a gas grill and appears to be
already notched for a rotisserie.
I don't think I could make the argument that converting a metal offset
smoker to a coffee roaster is better than just getting an inexpensive gas
grill, but I'm always interested in new ways to drum roast.
Rick

25) From: Ed Needham
The big three assets I can see are the round design, the built in vent, and 
the sealed design with less interference from outside wind and air temps.
A fresh air vent can easily be added to the bottom below the propane burner 
to provide combustion air and adequate air intake to balance the flue draft. 
The grill I specified would likely already have vent holes somewhere on the 
grill to control the air flow up the flue.  I have absolutely no fear that 
it would 'smoke' the beans.
By the way, 'If' I added a fan, I would add it on the exhaust side to pull 
hot air out rather than on the intake side blowing air into the roaster. 
The latter causing smoke to find any crack or crevasse to leak from and 
smoke up the place.
A standard flue fan that could withstand higher air temps would suffice if 
anyone really felt the need to have active air flow.  I really think adding 
one would create another problem by sucking out too much heat.
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26) From: Brett Mason
Mr.Needham,
We need to go to your house...
Please Provide Directions, and set a date...
Mr. Zass
  Brett
On 4/3/07, Ed Needham  wrote:
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27) From: John Moody
Ed,
Thanks for the link; that design does look promising.  Good info on the flue
as well, thanks.
The Char-Griller in spite of its name seems to be a real smoker, not a
grill, as it is powdercoated.  They warn that exceeding 400F will burn the
paint off and promote fast rusting.
John

28) From: John Moody
I was at Lowes today and they had the Char-Griller in the link that Ed
posted.
Most of the interior appears to be untreated raw steel, so I guess the fast
rusting warning by the mfg. is a moot point.
On the bright side, after closely examining it, I share Ed's excitement for
its roaster potential.
The end where the optional offset-firebox would be mounted is punched but
still attached knockout style.  There is a small damper in it.  The
rotisserie slots are also knockouts, so you could make the cutout as small
as you wanted to.
The end opposite the offset firebox knockout is solid.
The fit of the lid to the base is not designed to be airtight like an
expensive smoker, but the fit was not too bad. I estimate the gap varied
between zero and 1/8 inch around the entire lid. There was no gasket.
John

29) From: Ed Needham
Thanks.  I think I'll try to get this grill soon.  I need another roaster 
project anyway.
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30) From: Ed Needham
Dan's having the Great Midwest/Great Lakes shindig at his house this 
weekend.  I'm less than 100 miles south of him, but another coffee get 
together in Southern Indiana sounds fine with me.
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31) From: Coffeenut
Hey Drum lovers, take a peek at the 3rd photo from the top at this website
for some more ideas:http://www.infraredheaters.com/custompa.htmThey have 18 Full Trough Emitter infrared heaters in that particular pup at
400w each.  I did give me some ideas for a lesser wattage version and the
case shape runs closely to what we've been discussing in this thread.
Rick

32) From: miKe mcKoffee
What's the matter with it as is?! So sure 7200w of roast power comprised of
18 400w infrared heaters with max temps of 1292f might need a bit taming.
But isn't that something like 30A @ 240v?! Gonna take quite some "juice"
attenuation and a big boy could be quite spendy. So why not get funky with
the wiring and control each 400w heater with it's own cheapo 600w dimmer.
Yeah, that's it, an array of 18 dimmers! It'd be like a spinning plate act
going from dimmer to dimmer profiling a roast:-) Kind of cool how the logo
on the ceramic changes from red to black at 400f too. Could maybe be used as
a start of 1st target temp profile point indicator!
Ok, I don't need another shot right now:-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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