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Topic: Acid side effects > RE: Hardwater/caustic chemicals down Bric'! (3 msgs / 61 lines)
1) From: Aaron
You don't have to use the lemon juice concentrated, dilute works fine... 
and  get this... you can BUY it at the store, and they even pre squeeze 
it for you.  wow the marvels of modern day marketing.  But for those who 
might have lemon trees around where they live, lemons are cheap and 
plentiful.  a buck for 8tsp of citric acid... I wonder how much the 
other descaling stuff costs compared to citric and which is the cheapest 
route.
vinegar. hmm  I seem to recall something about rinsing out a machine 
after cleaning / descaling it...  why would you not use vinegar?
Aaron

2) From: Aaron
Diluted, not diluted, concentrated.... which one you use and the time to 
clean / descale (which is actually a type of cleaning no matter what we 
wish to call it), all depends on several factors, one being how dirty / 
crusty your machine is to begin with.  Can every machine be opened up 
and inspected to actually see the amount of grunge built up?  With this, 
concentrations of cleaning solutions are a crap shoot to begin with.  So 
do we go with the school of nuke it, even if it didn't need x amount of 
cleaner, were gonna make sure that baby is clean or just try some, and 
if it's not enough, go for more etc.  Isn't adding water to it diluting it?
Again, you emphatically  mentioned vinegar you'll NEVER use vinegar,  
besides for a personal choice you made it sound like there was something 
very bad about using vinegar.... what would that be... or was that just 
an emphasis on your personal preferences.
Also for what it's worth, those unsweetened Kool Aid packages are pretty 
much nothing more than citric acid, some artificial flavoring, and some 
coloring.  They run about 40 cents a pack sometimes a lot cheaper.  Get 
some lemon or lime ones that are not really colored, and throw one of 
those in for your cit acid, will work just the same.   We used to use it 
in the navy all the time and it cleaned brass / aluminum / steel very 
very well.... and to think we drank that stuff too... ugh.
Aaron
Oh, and not everyone has a brewers supply store nearby either, so might 
need to order that off the internet and add a few more dollars for 
shipping and handling on the cit acid.

3) From: stereoplegic
*$ Barista cleaner is just rebadged Cleancaf.
mcKona wrote:
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