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Topic: espresso machine for work (52 msgs / 1851 lines)
1) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hi all,
I have been offered the job in Maine.  I am very excited.  I guess 
those fresh roasted beans, as gifts, were a good idea!  :-)
Several of the people that I will be working with have expressed a love 
for espresso and caps.  It has already been suggested that they are 
clearing space on the counter in the break room for me to bring an 
espresso machine to leave at work.  There is no way I am taking my 
beloved Livia to leave there.  I need her for home use.  My question:  
what would be a good machine for me to buy for use at work?  I want it 
to be reasonably priced, but to be able to make good quality espresso 
and have enough steam power to make caps.  I imagine that this would 
not have to be a machine capable of making a lot of drinks at once.  
Would a good used machine be a reasonable option?  Say from ebay?  
Would a lever machine be a good choice.  (I must admit that I have been 
wanting to play with one of those anyway.)  All ideas and comments 
welcome.  Naturally, I will be expected to supply the fresh roasted 
beans for this venture.
And then there is the question of a grinder.
Maybe they would all be willing to kick in for the $ required for these 
items.  Maybe....
Nonetheless, I am really looking forward to this move.
Michael
L. Michael Fraley, MD

2) From: Sandy Andina
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I would look for a used Nuova Simonelli Oscar. Doesn't look like much  
(no shiny chrome, not an e61 group, no hot water tap,  plastic shell)  
but it's an HX nonetheless. You can find one for the price of a new  
Silvia. (Silvia would do too, but steaming requires temp-surfing).   
Sometimes an Expobar Office comes up on eBay for less, too.
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I would look for a used Nuova =
Simonelli Oscar. Doesn't look like much (no shiny chrome, not an e61 =
group, no hot water tap,  plastic shell) but it's an HX nonetheless. =
You can find one for the price of a new Silvia. (Silvia would do too, =
but steaming requires temp-surfing).  Sometimes an Expobar Office =
comes up on eBay for less, too.
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L. Michael Fraley, MD wrote:
Hi all, I have been offered the job in = Maine.  I am very = excited.  I guess those = fresh roasted beans, as gifts, were a good idea!  :-) Several = of the people that I will be working with have expressed a love for = espresso and caps.  It = has already been suggested that they are clearing space on the counter = in the break room for me to bring an espresso machine to leave at = work.  There is no way I = am taking my beloved Livia to leave there.  I need her for home use.  My question:  what would be a good machine = for me to buy for use at work?  = I want it to be reasonably priced, but to be able to make good = quality espresso and have enough steam power to make caps.  I imagine that this would not = have to be a machine capable of making a lot of drinks at once.  Would a good used machine be = a reasonable option?  Say = from ebay?  Would a lever = machine be a good choice.  = (I must admit that I have been wanting to play with one of those = anyway.)  All ideas and = comments welcome.  = Naturally, I will be expected to supply the fresh roasted beans = for this venture. And then there is the question of a = grinder. Maybe they would all be willing to kick in for the $ = required for these items.  = Maybe.... Nonetheless, I am really looking forward to this = move. Michael L. = Michael Fraley, MDhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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3) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Thanks Sandy!  I will look into these.
Michael
On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Sandy Andina wrote:
I would look for a used Nuova Simonelli Oscar. Doesn't look like much 
(no shiny chrome, not an e61 group, no hot water tap,  plastic shell) =
but it's an HX nonetheless. You can find one for the price of a new 
Silvia. (Silvia would do too, but steaming requires temp-surfing).  
Sometimes an Expobar Office comes up on eBay for less, too.
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4) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hmmmmm... While looking around on ebay, I did find this....  Maybe I am  =
trying to get off too cheap?http://cgi.ebay.com/Black-Decker-EE200-Espresso-
Machine_W0QQitemZ110109447305QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38252QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte =
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Michael
On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Sandy Andina wrote:
I would look for a used Nuova Simonelli Oscar. Doesn't look like much  =
(no shiny chrome, not an e61 group, no hot water tap,  plastic shell)  =
but it's an HX nonetheless. You can find one for the price of a new  
Silvia. (Silvia would do too, but steaming requires temp-surfing).   =
Sometimes an Expobar Office comes up on eBay for less, too.
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5) From: Lynne Biziewski
Don't have any suggestions about the espresso machine (how generous you
are!), since I don't do espresso - but I want to say a hearty
congratulations! Good to hear that you'll be making New England your home!
Lynne
p.s. Now we REALLY need to start a local homeroasting get together!

6) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Thanks Lynne!  I will keep you informed of my timeline, so you guys 
don't have one without me.  Due to the time it takes to get a state 
medical license in Maine, it will likely be a couple of months before I 
make the actual move.
Michael
On Apr 4, 2007, at 11:56 PM, Lynne Biziewski wrote:
Don't have any suggestions about the espresso machine (how generous you 
are!), since I don't do espresso - but I want to say a hearty 
congratulations! Good to hear that you'll be making New England your 
home!
Lynne
p.s. Now we REALLY need to start a local homeroasting get together!
L. Michael Fraley, MD

7) From: Lynne Biziewski
I'm hoping by then I'll be in a better apartment/home than where I am now
living - so we can have a great first New England Homeroasters' Meeting.
(I will start planning the food to go with our coffee now though.. this will
be FUN!!!!!!!!! Woo-hoo!!!)
Lynne
On 4/5/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
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8) From: Brett Mason
Solis Master...  WIll take care of the troops, be good enough for office
work, and won't be so bad if you use your own beans....
And congratulations....
Brett
On 4/4/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD 
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Cheers,
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
Ah gee not again! I agree with Brett;-)
Unless you'll be the ONLY one making espresso drinks for everyone all the
time, a Super Automatic is likely best way to go in an office setting. You'd
keep it cleaned, hopper filled and grinder adjusted etc, users would simply
need to press a button for a shot and steam their milk.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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	Solis Master...  WIll take care of the troops, be good enough for
office work, and won't be so bad if you use your own beans....
	 
	And congratulations....
	Brett
	
	On 4/4/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD    
		Hi all,
		
		I have been offered the job in Maine.  I am very excited.  I
guess
		those fresh roasted beans, as gifts, were a good idea!  :-) 
		
		Several of the people that I will be working with have
expressed a love
		for espresso and caps.  It has already been suggested that
they are
		clearing space on the counter in the break room for me to
bring an
		espresso machine to leave at work.  There is no way I am
taking my
		beloved Livia to leave there.  I need her for home use.  My
question:
		what would be a good machine for me to buy for use at work?
I want it
		to be reasonably priced, but to be able to make good quality
espresso 
		and have enough steam power to make caps.  I imagine that
this would
		not have to be a machine capable of making a lot of drinks
at once.
		Would a good used machine be a reasonable option?  Say from
ebay?
		Would a lever machine be a good choice.  (I must admit that
I have been 
		wanting to play with one of those anyway.)  All ideas and
comments
		welcome.  Naturally, I will be expected to supply the fresh
roasted
		beans for this venture.
		
		And then there is the question of a grinder.
		
		Maybe they would all be willing to kick in for the $
required for these
		items.  Maybe....
		
		Nonetheless, I am really looking forward to this move.
		
		Michael
		
		L. Michael Fraley, MD

10) From: jim gundlach
Michael,
This little microwave driven steam toy is really trying to get off  
too cheap.  In an office with several people expecting to serve  
themselves, the only way to go is with one of the super-automatics.   
The skills required to grind, tamp, draw the espresso, and steam  
milk  just will not be there.  You will end up with a mess and in  
little or no time someone will kill the espresso machine.  I don't  
have any experience with any of the super-auto's, but you are not  
going to get off cheap.
     Pecan Jim
On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:14 PM, L. Michael Fraley, MD wrote:
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11) From: Steven Van Dyke
One of the Jura / Capresso SuperAutos would be nearly ideal for this situation.
You get great push-button convenience for making coffee drinks from 
an all-in-one unit.
*However* there are disadvantages - it's very hard to change coffees 
so you're pretty much stuck with what you have loaded up.
You'll never get a 'god shot' of expresso.  In fact the expresso 
shots can be mediocre on some machines.
But you'll be able to pull a great cafe crema every time, you'll have 
plenty of steam for whatever you want (some models even have 'auto 
frothers' for caps).
I've got an F9 which is great for our daily coffees.  Got an 
auto-frother for it but I can do better (I get micro foam) using less 
milk doing it myself.
Depending on how 'coffee-oriented' the staff is you could go with a 
less complete super-auto where you do the grinding.  More control 
lets you do both better and worse, and means it's 'harder' to get a 
cup of coffee.
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12) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hi Folks,
I hadn't thought about the super-autos.  I have no experience with  
them, so it just didn't cross my mind.  But, it is actually a very good  
idea.  Tho these people love espresso, none of them have experience  
making it.  So, it would be a very long time indeed before they got any  
good at it.  Plus there is the mess to consider.  Hadn't thought of  
that either.  Maybe I am just so excited that I got the job, that I am  
not thinking things through!
But, I really was kidding about the cheap one.  If I really wanted to  
do something like that, I have 2 cast off steam toys from my early days  
of espresso.  Hee hee!
Thanks to everybody who has made suggestions.  You folks are a wealth  
of knowledge!
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 6:09 AM, jim gundlach wrote:
Michael,
This little microwave driven steam toy is really trying to get off too  
cheap.  In an office with several people expecting to serve themselves,  
the only way to go is with one of the super-automatics.  The skills  
required to grind, tamp, draw the espresso, and steam milk  just will  
not be there.  You will end up with a mess and in little or no time  
someone will kill the espresso machine.  I don't have any experience  
with any of the super-auto's, but you are not going to get off cheap.
     Pecan Jim
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13) From: Mike Koenig
I concur with the recommendation against a traditional espresso
machine for the office.  I had my old Saeco machine in my office, and
even with only me using it, the mess (due to not having it in a normal
kitchen) got to be somewhat annoying.
At risk of revealing that I commit sacrilege,  I'll say that I
switched to using ESE pods in the office.  I now have an inexpensive
Krups Novo machine that is designed for pods and I get drinkable shots
without the mess.  (I'm not saying the shots are great, but better
than most that I could buy at *$ or anywhere else in the area, and
certainly better than the strange brown liquid in the company
cafeteria).
If you don't want to spring for the price of a superauto, this could
be an option (though it will cost you CSA points).  Pods can get
expensive though,  I'm lucky enough to be able to get them at a
supermarket in Manhattan for a good price.
--mike
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14) From: Greg Scace
Alright, I check into the thread and find very bad advice.  You're 
gonna lose all CSA membership priveleges if you bring a super auto to 
work, or if you use pods.  Get a small e-61 machine and a Mazzer 
mini.  Put them in your office.  You'll have the coffee you crave at 
the quality level you want.  No one is gonna fool with the stuff 
because they'll be afraid of it.  And you will completely rock when 
you make coffees for your friends at work.   It doesn't have to be a 
big mess either.  Learn to work neatly.
You have a reputation to uphold here.
-Greg
Personally, I have a La Spaz S1 at work and a Mazzer Kony.  The spaz 
is cheaper than a crappy superauto and produces waaay better 
coffee.  The Kony is here because my home grinder is a Robur.
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15) From: Brian Kamnetz
Michael,
That is just great, congratulations! Hope you and your family find peace,
health and happiness for many, many years in your new home.
Brian
On 4/4/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
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16) From: Sandy Andina
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Hate to say it, but it's probably true. And unless you are on a  
crusade to gain converts to homeroast (which you still can by  
subversively brewing your own in a pourover. FP or Aeropress and  
offering it up), I would even suggest something truly idiot-proof  
like one of those Tassimo machines that have sealed cuplets for  
cappas and lattes ( sort of like a Keurig). After all, you didn't say  
that YOU had to drink the stuff coming out of the machine.
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Hate to say it, but it's =
probably true. And unless you are on a crusade to gain converts to =
homeroast (which you still can by subversively brewing your own in a =
pourover. FP or Aeropress and offering it up), I would even suggest =
something truly idiot-proof like one of those Tassimo machines that have =
sealed cuplets for cappas and lattes ( sort of like a Keurig). After =
all, you didn't say that YOU had to drink the stuff coming out of the =
machine.
On Apr 5, 2007, at 5:09 AM, jim gundlach =
wrote:
Michael, In an = office with several people expecting to serve themselves, the only way = to go is with one of the super-automatics.  The skills required to grind, = tamp, draw the espresso, and steam milk  just will not be there.  You will end up with a mess = and in little or no time someone will kill the espresso machine.  I don't have any experience = with any of the super-auto's, but you are not going to get off = cheap.    Pecan = Jim Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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17) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Thanks Brian.  We are really looking forward to it!
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote:
Michael,
That is just great, congratulations! Hope you and your family find 
peace, health and happiness for many, many years in your new home.
Brian
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18) From: Brian Kamnetz
I'm going to weigh in here though I know little about espresso machines. I
agree with Greg, for these reasons. First, some people are not going to
care. We all have had experiences trying to turn people on to good coffee
and see them simply not care about it. They are happy drinking what they are
used to.
That leaves people who care. I am of the opinion that some specific
training, backed up with a simple listing of instructions next to the
machine, will allow all who want to to make good espresso. Presumably this
is in a medical setting, where people are used to hands-on procedures and
sophisticated machinery.
My reasoning is that Greg's option allows people who are actually into good
coffee/espresso to actually get into it. A superauto will not. I personally
see no need to sacrifice this option in order to convenience people who
don't care to begin with.
Also, Michael wouldn't have to explain why he provided an option that will
consistently provide mediocre espresso instead of an option that has the
capability of making exceptional espresso because he thought his new
coworkers are too stupid to learn to operate an espresso machine.
Just my $.02.
Brian
On 4/5/07, Greg Scace  wrote:
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PS: I sent this a while back, but I don't think it went through. Apologies
if it did.

19) From: DJ Garcia
I have a Sylvia at work. I grind my work load in the morning and put it in a
small airtight Tupperware canister.
DJ

20) From: Sandy Andina
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oops, I meant Dr. Michael.
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21) From: Sandy Andina
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On Apr 5, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote:
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My husband is on staff at several hospitals.  In the doctors' lounge  
at one is a massive Jura Capresso superauto and at the other, a  
Keurig machine.  None of the doctors seem the least bit insulted nor  
condescended--the two machines see a LOT of action and they rave  
about how convenient they are.  In a small medical office (like my  
husband's and the one where Dr. Michael will be working), believe me  
that unless business sucks, the staff will be far too busy  
recordkeeping and complying with third-party-provider paperwork (not  
to mention patient care) to learn how to be good baristi.
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5:23 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote:
I'm going = to weigh in here though I know little about espresso machines. I agree = with Greg, for these reasons. First, some people are not going to care. = We all have had experiences trying to turn people on to good coffee and = see them simply not care about it. They are happy drinking what they are = used to. That leaves people who care. I am of the opinion that = some specific training, backed up with a simple listing of instructions = next to the machine, will allow all who want to to make good espresso. = Presumably this is in a medical setting, where people are used to = hands-on procedures and sophisticated machinery. My = husband is on staff at several hospitals.  In the doctors' lounge at = one is a massive Jura Capresso superauto and at the other, a Keurig = machine.  None of the doctors seem the least bit insulted nor = condescended--the two machines see a LOT of action and they rave about = how convenient they are.  In a small medical office (like my husband's = and the one where Dr. Michael will be working), believe me that unless = business sucks, the staff will be far too busy recordkeeping and = complying with third-party-provider paperwork (not to mention patient = care) to learn how to be good baristi. Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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22) From: Larry Johnson
Congratulations, Michael! Where in Maine are you going? My wife's uncle owns
a restaurant in Bar Harbor (The Epicurean) and I have a very good friend in
Carmel. If we're up visiting those folks, I'd love to visit you and meet
face-to-face sometime. No trips in the works for us right now, though.
On 4/4/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
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Larry J
If this is coffee, please bring me some tea; but if this is tea, please
bring me some coffee.
  - Abraham Lincoln

23) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Wow!  As usual, you folks are giving very compelling arguments for each =
side of the issue.  My problem is I can see good points on each side!  =
One thing I am SURE of:  I will be using fresh roast no matter what. 
That is a given. I hate pods, and would never use a capsule machine.  
(No offense whatsoever to those who suggested them, as I understand 
your arguments for them.)  The reputation I have built (as the coffee 
guy) with these people has more to do with fresh (home) roasted coffee =
than it does with espresso.  So, actually, I could have both an 
espresso machine AND some other method for brewing good coffee (press 
pot, Aeropress, drip) available to them and thus please both those who =
wish to learn the art of good espresso and those who simply wish to 
enjoy fresh roast without all the bother.  One problem with that, 
however, is I am now getting into even more money outlay!  Ha ha!  But =
then, I must admit, the ease of a superauto is tempting.  Overall, I 
think I am leaning away from the superauto.  OK.. I'll admit it...  I 
do not want to lose CSA priveleges!  I am too much of a newbie to risk =
that!  :-)
I had a *$ Barista machine prior to my Livia, and I was able to get 
good coffee with it (after I discarded and replaced the pressurized PF) =
even it being a single boiler.  I gave it to one of my buddies (who 
uses only my fresh roast in it) after I upgraded.  What would be a good =
single boiler machine for this situation?  I am working on the 
assumption that if the machine is only going to be used by those who 
will take the time to learn it, then having a few quirks (temp surfing, =
not being able to steam and pull shot at the same time, etc..) would 
not be as big of a problem.
Then there still is the problem of a grinder.  I have a Mazzer Mini, 
that I love.  I will, naturally, continue to have it at home for my 
personal use.  I really do not want to lay out the money for one for 
work.  What would be a less expensive (but still good enough) grinder 
for this situation?
And, finally, what are the odds of finding either of these pieces of 
equipment used, and at a good price?
If I did want to go new with the espresso machine, is the Silvia (sold =
by our dear hosts) a good option.  I like the looks of it, Tom's 
description of it and the price.
Sorry for such a long post.  And thanks again for all of the excellent =
advice and suggestions.
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 6:23 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote:
I'm going to weigh in here though I know little about espresso 
machines. I agree with Greg, for these reasons. First, some people are =
not going to care. We all have had experiences trying to turn people on =
to good coffee and see them simply not care about it. They are happy 
drinking what they are used to.
That leaves people who care. I am of the opinion that some specific 
training, backed up with a simple listing of instructions next to the 
machine, will allow all who want to to make good espresso. Presumably 
this is in a medical setting, where people are used to hands-on 
procedures and sophisticated machinery.
My reasoning is that Greg's option allows people who are actually into =
good coffee/espresso to actually get into it. A superauto will not. I 
personally see no need to sacrifice this option in order to convenience =
people who don't care to begin with.
Also, Michael wouldn't have to explain why he provided an option that 
will consistently provide mediocre espresso instead of an option that 
has the capability of making exceptional espresso because he thought 
his new coworkers are too stupid to learn to operate an espresso 
machine.
Just my $.02.
Brian
On 4/5/07, Greg Scace  wrote:Alright, I check =
into the thread and find very bad advice. You're gonna lose all CSA 
membership priveleges if you bring a super auto to work, or if you use =
pods.  Get a small e-61 machine and a Mazzer mini.  Put them in your =
office.  You'll have the coffee you crave at the quality level you 
want.  No one is gonna fool with the stuff because they'll be afraid =
of 
it.  And you will completely rock when you make coffees for your 
friends at work.   It doesn't have to be a big mess either.  Learn =
to 
work neatly.
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PS: I sent this a while back, but I don't think it went through. 
Apologies if it did.
L. Michael Fraley, MD=

24) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hi Sandy,
I am a Doc, only when at work.  Among family and friends (and I hope 
y'all consider me a friend) I am just Michael.  Now if you want to use 
the designation to avoid confusion among the plethora of Mikes and 
Michaels here.. that is fine.  :-)
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Sandy Andina wrote:
oops, I meant Dr. Michael.
Sandy Andina
www.sandyandina.com
www.myspace.com/sandyandina
L. Michael Fraley, MD

25) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hi Larry,
Thanks!  I am going to be all the way up in Farmington.  So a couple 
hours from the coast.  However, if you venture up this way, you would 
always be welcome to make the trip further west, and would be more than =
welcome in my home.  Or, I would be happy to drive out towards Bar 
Harbor and meet up with you there.  It would be a pleasure meeting you!
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Larry Johnson wrote:
Congratulations, Michael! Where in Maine are you going? My wife's uncle =
owns a restaurant in Bar Harbor (The Epicurean) and I have a very good =
friend in Carmel. If we're up visiting those folks, I'd love to visit 
you and meet face-to-face sometime. No trips in the works for us right =
now, though.
On 4/4/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote: 
Hi all,
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guess
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love
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are
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my
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question:
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want it
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would
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been
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roasted
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these
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-- 
Larry J
If this is coffee, please bring me some tea; but if this is tea, please =
bring me some coffee.
  - Abraham Lincoln

26) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hey Larry,
I did some quick finger work on Yahoo Maps, and found Carmel.  
According to Yahoo it is about an hour and a half from Farmington.  
Which probably means it could be done a bit quicker.
Cheers,
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Larry Johnson wrote:
Congratulations, Michael! Where in Maine are you going? My wife's uncle =
owns a restaurant in Bar Harbor (The Epicurean) and I have a very good =
friend in Carmel. If we're up visiting those folks, I'd love to visit 
you and meet face-to-face sometime. No trips in the works for us right =
now, though.
On 4/4/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote: 
Hi all,
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guess
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love
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are
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my
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question:
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want it
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would
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been
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roasted
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these
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-- 
Larry J
If this is coffee, please bring me some tea; but if this is tea, please =
bring me some coffee.
  - Abraham Lincoln

27) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Oh I am looking forward to it to!  What are we going to be eating?  Hee =
Hee!  :-)
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:23 AM, Lynne Biziewski wrote:
I'm hoping by then I'll be in a better apartment/home than where I am 
now living - so we can have a great first New England Homeroasters' 
Meeting.
(I will start planning the food to go with our coffee now though.. this =
will be FUN!!!!!!!!! Woo-hoo!!!)
Lynne
On 4/5/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
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state
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I
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L. Michael Fraley, MD

28) From: miKe mcKoffee
Actually IMO a Super Automatic (SA) is an excellent way to go for fresh
roast individually ground and brewed "cups of coffee" on demand at the =
push
of a button, especially in an office setting when people would want a =
cup at
random times. SA's excel at Café Crema style coffee. Better option IMO =
than
a drip brewer with coffee either left burning on an element or simply
staying hot and going stale in a carafe.
When it comes to straight espresso strength shots, no a SA can't compete
unless getting into the high end multi $K commercial units, regularly
maintained and adjusted. And then they can make quite good shots. But =
even a
lower end $500 SA coupled with good home roast can produce espresso at =
least
equal and usually better than you'll find "out there". Yes a $200 Gaggia =
and
a Rocky can produce better shots, under skilled hands. But under =
un-skilled
hands the $500 SA would win.
No simple answer with countless variables. The other people you'll being
working with being major variables.
Take away my CSA points for saying this I don't care. Heck, I wrote the =
CSA
12 Steps! (make that 13, and wrote as in plagarised:-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal =
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone =
before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
<Snip>

29) From: Brett Mason
Ginny's got a Solis Master and raves about it.
One of the development groups at my office has one, and except that their
beans are rancid as a pickled chicken, it makes some decent brew.  I can
only imagine what it would be with coffee.
And then there's the price tag - 500ish...
I say "compelling"...
Regards,
Brett
On 4/5/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
<Snip>
-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

30) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Thanks Brett.  Do you know if it grinds good enough for good espresso?  =
Care to chime in Ginny?
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:35 PM, Brett Mason wrote:
Ginny's got a Solis Master and raves about it.
 
One of the development groups at my office has one, and except that 
their beans are rancid as a pickled chicken, it makes some decent 
brew.  I can only imagine what it would be with coffee.
 
And then there's the price tag - 500ish...
 
I say "compelling"...
 
Regards,
Brett
 
 
On 4/5/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote: 
Wow!  As usual, you folks are giving very compelling arguments for =
each
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side!
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what.
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coffee
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ha!  But
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I
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it...  I
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risk
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PF)
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(who
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good
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surfing,
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Mini,
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my
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for
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grinder
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excellent
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on
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convenience
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of
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spaz
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-- 
Cheers,
Brett
 http://homeroast.freeservers.comL. Michael Fraley, MD=

31) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Now see?  Another excellent argument.  I need to just let you guys do 
it for me.  Then I can just say:  "This is the setup from the Coffee 
Roasting Gurus."  And nobody would question it, then!  Ha ha!  Dang I 
am going to have a tough decision!  Luckily, I still have a while to 
decide.  I am saving my pennies for the items, for when I make up my 
mind.
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:20 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
Actually IMO a Super Automatic (SA) is an excellent way to go for fresh
roast individually ground and brewed "cups of coffee" on demand at the =
push
of a button, especially in an office setting when people would want a 
cup at
random times. SA's excel at Café Crema style coffee. Better option IMO =
than
a drip brewer with coffee either left burning on an element or simply
staying hot and going stale in a carafe.
When it comes to straight espresso strength shots, no a SA can't compete
unless getting into the high end multi $K commercial units, regularly
maintained and adjusted. And then they can make quite good shots. But 
even a
lower end $500 SA coupled with good home roast can produce espresso at =
least
equal and usually better than you'll find "out there". Yes a $200 
Gaggia and
a Rocky can produce better shots, under skilled hands. But under 
un-skilled
hands the $500 SA would win.
No simple answer with countless variables. The other people you'll being
working with being major variables.
Take away my CSA points for saying this I don't care. Heck, I wrote the =
CSA
12 Steps! (make that 13, and wrote as in plagarised:-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I 
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal 
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone 
before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/<Snip>

32) From: Floyd Lozano
you should have just negotiated it in your salary package as well as a
stipend for greens ;)  which you would roast as a value add to cover the
capital cost!  i wonder if it's cheaper this way than what our office does
(multiple Flavia single pack of horror machines and boxes of 'single origin=
'
single serving 'best before next decade so you know it's fresh' packs)
-F
On 4/5/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
<Snip>

33) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
DOH!!!  I should have thought of that!  I wonder if it is too late?  
They seem to really like me... maybe I can just sweet talk them into 
it!
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Floyd Lozano wrote:
you should have just negotiated it in your salary package as well as a =
stipend for greens ;)  which you would roast as a value add to cover =
the capital cost!  i wonder if it's cheaper this way than what our 
office does (multiple Flavia single pack of horror machines and boxes 
of 'single origin' single serving 'best before next decade so you know =
it's fresh' packs)
-F
 
On 4/5/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote: 
Now see?  Another excellent argument.  I need to just let you =
guys do
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Coffee
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ha!  Dang I
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to
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my
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fresh
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IMO
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the
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what.
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(press
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it...  I
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(who
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Mini,
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my
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for
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grinder
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L. Michael Fraley, MD

34) From: miKe mcKoffee
I'd advise against waiting for a clear consensus from this group or you'll
never have any machine for the office! ;-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
<Snip>

35) From: Floyd Lozano
I'm thinking Aeropress. Dude, they make espresso, says so right on the
BOX
!
-F
On 4/5/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
<Snip>

36) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hey miKe,
That may be true, but I wouldn't trade the advice I am getting.  
Ultimately, the decision will be mine to make, but in the meantime I am 
enjoying reading everybody's opinion.
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 10:47 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
I'd advise against waiting for a clear consensus from this group or 
you'll
never have any machine for the office! ;-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I 
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal 
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone 
before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/<Snip>

37) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
I did see that!  But did I believe it?  Nope.  Tom says no... so I say =
no.
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Floyd Lozano wrote:
I'm thinking Aeropress. Dude, they make espresso, says so right on the =
BOX!
-F
 
On 4/5/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: I'd advise against =
waiting for a clear consensus from this group or you'll
<Snip>
L. Michael Fraley, MD

38) From: Dave Nielsen
And I used to have a Solis Master, 2 of them in fact, and I could not
recommend purchasing one unless you want to throw your money away...
Please feel free to contact me offlist for the sad, sad tales of the
Solis Master...
--Dave
dave dot l dot nielsen at gmail dot com
On 4/5/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
<Snip>

39) From: Greg Scace
The grinder thing really is a pain in the yass.  Now that you have a 
mini, you see where things stand wrt grinders like the 
Rocky.  They're arguably suitable for office use, but they ain't 
cheap themselves.  I'd look for a Mazzer Mini or super Jolly on ebay, 
change out the burrset when I got it, clean it up a little and take 
it to work.  Or I'd score a xuper Jolly or Major for home, change out 
the burrset and take the mini to work.   Ya oughtta be able to get a 
super jolly for less than the new cost of a Rocky and it'll be a much 
better grinder, although it may not be as pretty as a new one.
-Greg
At 08:52 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
<Snip>

40) From: Justin Marquez
On 4/5/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
<Snip>
Certainly an Aeropress does not make espresso. The pressure and
temperature are nowhere near what makes espresso what it is.
That having been said, the Aeropress has a lot to recommend it for the
office use.
1) It makes a fine cup of coffee.
2) It is quick to make the cup, quick to clean up and nearly mess-free.
3) It is inexpensive and nearly fool-proof to use.
I think it would be a valid starting point for the office.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

41) From: john nanavati
<>
I don't know how your office is, but at mine ... if someone overflows the
coffee pot while making a fresh batch, they just walk away. i wouldn't go
for anything that requires cleanup, skill, or thought. for an office, i'd go
for the super auto - quick, clean, no hassles and okay output.
home is a different matter. but at an office, people behave differently, and
don't want to invest time and energy in something that isn't in their job
description.
just my 0.0W2
John Nanavati
Plainfield, New Jersey

42) From: john nanavati
 <>
I don't know how your office is, but at mine ... if someone overflows the
coffee pot while making a fresh batch, they just walk away. i wouldn't go
for anything that requires cleanup, skill, or thought. for an office, i'd go
for the super auto - quick, clean, no hassles and okay output.
home is a different matter. but at an office, people behave differently, and
don't want to invest time and energy in something that isn't in their job
description.
just my 0.0W2
John Nanavati
Plainfield, New Jersey

43) From: john nanavati
<>
I don't know how your office is, but at mine ... if someone overflows the
coffee pot while making a fresh batch, they just walk away. i wouldn't go
for anything that requires cleanup, skill, or thought. for an office, i'd go
for the super auto - quick, clean, no hassles and okay output.
home is a different matter. but at an office, people behave differently, and
don't want to invest time and energy in something that isn't in their job
description.
just my 0.0W2
<< sorry if this is a dupe. my last message didn't seem to be formatted
properly >>
John Nanavati
Plainfield, New Jersey

44) From: miKe mcKoffee
There is of course a difference in what would work well for an individual's
office coffee versus supplying office coffee at random times for a larger
number of people as Michael will be doing...
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
<Snip>

45) From: Greg Scace
Depends on how personal an office an office is.  Here, I share my 
office with another person.  My coffee works lives in my office along 
the wall and next to a printer.  It might be a different deal if one 
was outfitting a common space for the benefit of others.  I assume 
that the target user here is Dr. Mike and folks that curry Dr. Mike's 
coffee favor, not Dr. Mike and his entire cast of company 
malcontents.  If Dr. Mike is gonna supply his entire facility with 
coffee, then he oughtta get them to spring for a Clover.
-Greg
At 02:27 PM 4/6/2007, you wrote:
<Snip>

46) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Thanks Greg.  That is a good idea.  I wonder how often these show up on 
ebay?
Michael
On Apr 6, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Greg Scace wrote:
The grinder thing really is a pain in the yass.  Now that you have a 
mini, you see where things stand wrt grinders like the Rocky.  They're 
arguably suitable for office use, but they ain't cheap themselves.  I'd 
look for a Mazzer Mini or super Jolly on ebay, change out the burrset 
when I got it, clean it up a little and take it to work.  Or I'd score 
a xuper Jolly or Major for home, change out the burrset and take the 
mini to work.   Ya oughtta be able to get a super jolly for less than 
the new cost of a Rocky and it'll be a much better grinder, although it 
may not be as pretty as a new one.
-Greg
At 08:52 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
<Snip>

47) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
I know what you mean, John.  I do not know these people that well yet.  =
I will have to judge their neatness skills later.
Michael
On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:27 PM, john nanavati wrote:
<>
I don't know how your office is, but at mine ... if someone overflows 
the coffee pot while making a fresh batch, they just walk away. i 
wouldn't go for anything that requires cleanup, skill, or thought. for =
an office, i'd go for the super auto - quick, clean, no hassles and 
okay output.
 
home is a different matter. but at an office, people behave 
differently, and don't want to invest time and energy in something that =
isn't in their job description.
 
just my 0.0W2
 
John Nanavati
Plainfield, New Jersey
L. Michael Fraley, MD=

48) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
This is actually the surgery in a very small community hospital.  The 
room will be the anesthesiologists break room.
Michael
On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Greg Scace wrote:
Depends on how personal an office an office is.  Here, I share my 
office with another person.  My coffee works lives in my office along 
the wall and next to a printer.  It might be a different deal if one 
was outfitting a common space for the benefit of others.  I assume that 
the target user here is Dr. Mike and folks that curry Dr. Mike's coffee 
favor, not Dr. Mike and his entire cast of company malcontents.  If Dr. 
Mike is gonna supply his entire facility with coffee, then he oughtta 
get them to spring for a Clover.
-Greg
At 02:27 PM 4/6/2007, you wrote:
<Snip>

49) From: Barry Luterman
Michael I sent you an e-bay Expobar office notice. Don't know if you 
received it but it looks like a good deal.

50) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hey Barry,
I responded to you off list.
Thanks for your help.
Michael
On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
Michael I sent you an e-bay Expobar office notice. Don't know if you 
received it but it looks like a good deal.

51) From: stereoplegic
i have to agree here. not even pretending to be one of the experts here, 
but i've had great cafe crema, cuppa, cappa and even pretty good 
straight shots (much better than ANY coffee shop i've been to in 
Houston, not much of a specialty coffee city here depite all our 
imports) with homeroast on a friend's DeLonghi Magnifica superauto (3400 
i think, the $1000 model *$ sells) despite the fact that it only has 7 
grind settings. even got a decent ristretto on the finest grind setting 
and the "extra-strong" taste setting (5 settings from extra-strong to 
extra-mild, i guess this controls the amount of tamp pressure or or brew 
time or something). i'm pretty content w/ my cheap (also DeLonghi) Bar32 
manual machine (now w/ depressurized and bottomless PF, btw) and 
wouldn't get a superauto for myself, but i was a little jealous of the 
small amount of mess/cleanup time w/ the Magnifica.
mcKona wrote:
<Snip>

52) From: McConnel
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
When we got Miss Silvia I took my Saeco Magic Deluxe to work, a wildland =
fire station filled with lots of young firefighters, some of whom really =
liked good coffee. A few points. 
It is:
  a.. Not really "espresso"
  b.. Fresh-ground, freshly-brewed coffee
  c.. Incredibly fast and convenient
  d.. Almost idiot-proof
  e.. The first couple of shots have grounds and residual coffee from =
old "pulls"--maybe should be dumped if it's been a while since the last =
shot
  f.. A "No Flavored Coffees Please" lable might help avoid somebody's =
"hazelnut-rum flavored" contribution from contaminating the grinder
  g.. A good "gateway" machine for potential CSA's
  h.. Great when I'm too busy for the aeropress
In other words, MiKe is right again--about all things coffee anyway!


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