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Topic: Which Roaster to Recommend (22 msgs / 718 lines)
1) From: Mejia, Carlos
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I have a friend who I've been turning on to my roasts and who now wants
to get a roaster and jump in the game himself.  He wants me to recommend
a roaster to buy.  He's been rather blessed in life and money is not
really an issue.  I have an iR2 and it's the only one I've ever used or
seen.  I see the ads on SM for the various other machines and wondering
what I should recommend for him as a first machine to learn from.  I can
tell him the pros/cons on the iR2 but not the others.  His usage will
likely be fairly small, primarily for he and his wife who drink one or
two cups a day.  She drinks decaf and he's on high octane.  I'm not sure
but I believe their primary brew method is single cup drip filters
(Melitta).
 
Any consensus on the best machine for him?
 

2) From: Brett Mason
So he knows somebody who roasts,
you have experience on one machine,
he won't know the difference anyway, and
you are already discovering expertise and answers for the IR2?
I don't know, this seems too complicated...
Maybe a popper?
Brett
On 4/5/07, Mejia, Carlos  wrote:
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
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If money is really no issue for "best machine" I'd recommend a roaster that
will last a lifetime and he likely would never out grow, capable of flexible
~1/2# to ~5# or so batch sizes like:http://www.diedrichroasters.com/ir3.htmlorhttp://www.coffeeper.com/SF-6LB.htmlor maybehttp://www.ambexroasters.com/old/html/ym_2.html ">http://www.usroastercorp.com/3kiloroaster.htmorhttp://www.diedrichroasters.com/ir3.htmlorhttp://www.coffeeper.com/SF-6LB.htmlor maybehttp://www.ambexroasters.com/old/html/ym_2.html 
Seriously, one of those would be/is my dream roaster.
 
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Mejia, Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:17 PM
 
I have a friend who I've been turning on to my roasts and who now wants to
get a roaster and jump in the game himself.  He wants me to recommend a
roaster to buy.  He's been rather blessed in life and money is not really an
issue.  I have an iR2 and it's the only one I've ever used or seen.  I see
the ads on SM for the various other machines and wondering what I should
recommend for him as a first machine to learn from.  I can tell him the
pros/cons on the iR2 but not the others.  His usage will likely be fairly
small, primarily for he and his wife who drink one or two cups a day.  She
drinks decaf and he's on high octane.  I'm not sure but I believe their
primary brew method is single cup drip filters (Melitta).
Any consensus on the best machine for him?

4) From: Floyd Lozano
I like the digital profiling on the Ambex roaster.  Wonder what a getup like
this costs?  Maybe instead of buying a car...
Also wonder what the min. batch size is on one of these.  If it's 1/2# or
even 1# that would be ok with me, with the option to roast for customers
should they ever materialize =)
-F
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5) From: John Moody
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Yeah very nice indeed, but he won't roast enough to learn how to get the
best out of those units.
He might be better off to commission a PID based roaster with training from
member(s) of this list.  I think Jeffrey Pawlan has one CCR (hottop) left
which would be a very nice choice as well.  It also depends on how involved
he wants to get i.e., will this become a hobby or does he just want fresh
roast?
John

6) From: miKe mcKoffee
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IIRC when I checked a couple years ago the Ambex digital automatic profile
system (an optional item) ran about $5k additional, which really put
Jeffrey's HotTop computer profiling system price in perspective! Also I'm
fairly sure about all the majors have automatic programable, teachable (able
to 'remember' a manually run profile for later replication) profile control
systems available. But yeah, for a substantial price.
 
My understanding, based on spending some time roasting with people using
some of these puppies, you can effectively profile roast about 1/10th the
max rated batch size. OTH you cannot roast the max rated size with much if
any profile control. (Which is why IMO roasters sized and powered like the
Dietrich HR1 are really good 1/2# roasters, not that good at 1# which is
it's max batch rating) Need to keep the batch size down to 60-70% max rating
to retain decent profile control. 
 
Kind of like with my modified Rostos I "can" roast a full pound, but with no
real control. OTH have very flexible profile control with 1/2# batches.
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Floyd Lozano
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:34 AM
I like the digital profiling on the Ambex roaster.  Wonder what a getup like
this costs?  Maybe instead of buying a car...
 
Also wonder what the min. batch size is on one of these.  If it's 1/2# or
even 1# that would be ok with me, with the option to roast for customers
should they ever materialize =)
-F
On 4/5/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: 
If money is really no issue for "best machine" I'd recommend a roaster that
will last a lifetime and he likely would never out grow, capable of flexible
~1/2# to ~5# or so batch sizes like: http://www.usroastercorp.com/3kiloroaster.htm 
orhttp://www.diedrichroasters.com/ir3.html 
orhttp://www.coffeeper.com/SF-6LB.html 
or maybehttp://www.ambexroasters.com/old/html/ym_2.html 
 
Seriously, one of those would be/is my dream roaster.

7) From: MichaelB
Carlos,
Tell your friend to get a hottop programmable. If he uses the built in
profile he can literally plug it in, start using it, and get good roasts
right away. The only roasting knowledge he'll need to be successful is when
to eject the beans. You should be able to show him or tell him what to look
for and of course direct him to the Sweet Maria's website for detailed
information.
If he really likes roasting and decides to get into it in more depth he can
start profiling and programming. The default hottop profile is good enough
but there is room for developing personal preferences. But if he doesn't
want to get geeky about it he's still got a good turnkey roaster.
IMO the only real potential drawback about this choice is the value for the
money. There are some questions about whether the programmable features are
worth the money. But since price is not a primary consideration, there is no
problem with this model.
On 4/5/07, Mejia, Carlos  wrote:
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Hey, if a close friend of mine got one of those, I'd likely transfer doing
my roasting to his house too so up it's projected usage accordingly! ;-)
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of John Moody
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:40 AM
Yeah very nice indeed, but he won't roast enough to learn how to get the
best out of those units.
He might be better off to commission a PID based roaster with training from
member(s) of this list.  I think Jeffrey Pawlan has one CCR (hottop) left
which would be a very nice choice as well.  It also depends on how involved
he wants to get i.e., will this become a hobby or does he just want fresh
roast?
 
John

9) From: Les
As much as I agree with Mike McKoffee, I have to go with Michael B's
suggestion.  However I would go to an RK if you wanted total profile control
after the Hottop.
Les
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10) From: Brett Mason
Carlos,  have him buy the same as you have.  The IR2 is a decent machine,
you are learning how to best use it, and he will get great coffee pretty
quickly.  Everything else will be more work for you...
Brett
On 4/5/07, Les  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

11) From: miKe mcKoffee
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I actually agree with Michael B's Digital HotTop suggestion too. Probably
the most flexible, complete "off the shelf" home roaster available. But just
think, IF this friend is really a "Bill Gates" kind of guy who you could
talk into a $15k or so professional roast setup, that you also had full use
of, it'd be worth the "more work for you!"
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:48 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Which Roaster to Recommend
Carlos,  have him buy the same as you have.  The IR2 is a decent machine,
you are learning how to best use it, and he will get great coffee pretty
quickly.  Everything else will be more work for you...
Brett
On 4/5/07, Les  wrote: 
As much as I agree with Mike McKoffee, I have to go with Michael B's
suggestion.  However I would go to an RK if you wanted total profile control
after the Hottop.  
Les
On 4/5/07, MichaelB  > wrote: 
Carlos,
 
Tell your friend to get a hottop programmable. If he uses the built in
profile he can literally plug it in, start using it, and get good roasts
right away. The only roasting knowledge he'll need to be successful is when
to eject the beans. You should be able to show him or tell him what to look
for and of course direct him to the Sweet Maria's website for detailed
information. 
 
If he really likes roasting and decides to get into it in more depth he can
start profiling and programming. The default hottop profile is good enough
but there is room for developing personal preferences. But if he doesn't
want to get geeky about it he's still got a good turnkey roaster. 
 
IMO the only real potential drawback about this choice is the value for the
money. There are some questions about whether the programmable features are
worth the money. But since price is not a primary consideration, there is no
problem with this model. 
 
On 4/5/07, Mejia, Carlos  > wrote: 
I have a friend who I've been turning on to my roasts and who now wants to
get a roaster and jump in the game himself.  He wants me to recommend a
roaster to buy.  He's been rather blessed in life and money is not really an
issue.  I have an iR2 and it's the only one I've ever used or seen.  I see
the ads on SM for the various other machines and wondering what I should
recommend for him as a first machine to learn from.  I can tell him the
pros/cons on the iR2 but not the others.  His usage will likely be fairly
small, primarily for he and his wife who drink one or two cups a day.  She
drinks decaf and he's on high octane.  I'm not sure but I believe their
primary brew method is single cup drip filters (Melitta). 
Any consensus on the best machine for him?

12) From: MichaelB
Now we're getting on to something. Get deep pockets to buy Carlos
any roaster he wants. In return Carlos will supply all the fresh beans
dp wants!
Hey Carlos, if you're not interested in the deal, drop one of us a note.
On 4/5/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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13) From: Floyd Lozano
I see a probat in that guy's future...
On 4/5/07, MichaelB  wrote:
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14) From: John Moody
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Les, I wonder why you said “total” control.  Does the Hottop not have enough
power to ramp?  Maybe the lack of flexibility to adjust running profiles?
Are these valid concerns?
I want to go RK myself, but keep getting hung up on my desire for accurate
bean temperature measurement; I know I don’t need it, but I still would like
it.
John

15) From: Ross
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Someone should market a coffee bean sized electronic temperature =
transmitter that can withstand up to 700 degrees.  Just throw it in the =
drum and read out the temp on your remote receiver.  I know we have the =
technology.
Ross

16) From: Brett Mason
Could it be harder on a burr grinder than regular white rice?
Hmmmm
Brett
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17) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Years ago we talked about this with ideas from the movie Twister. Had a
working prototype of just such a device made once. Didn't clean it between
roasts and gradually took on the patina of a roasted bean. Forgot to dig it
out of a batch since it was no longer obvious and let's just say was time
for new grinder burrs.
 
Or so it could have happened, at least the first sentence is true:-)
 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Ross
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:08 AM
Someone should market a coffee bean sized electronic temperature transmitter
that can withstand up to 700 degrees.  Just throw it in the drum and read
out the temp on your remote receiver.  I know we have the technology.
Ross
 

18) From: Mejia, Carlos
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Hey thanks for the advice folks!  I guess I should have clarified that
he can afford to spend more if needed but he's not quite a rich as Bill
Gates.  As much as I like the idea of having 'him' purchase a Probat for
'himself' which I might conveniently use from time to time.... I'm
thinking more on the lines of a home roaster.  Actually, I was primarily
interested in opinions, pros/cons of the various roasters listed on SM
website.  I really like my iR2 and will most likely recommend that he
get one so that I can share my learnings.  Although, it might be fun for
him to get a HotTop and we can compare notes on SM beans that we both
roast.  From my perusal of the info on SM, it looks like the HotTop will
produce a lot more smoke so I'll need to make sure he's aware of that
and can put in good venting if he goes that route.   The advantage that
I see of the iR2 is it is smaller, faster and perhaps easier to cleanup.
If he goes with the iR2, I would probably recommend that he install a
thermocouple which I have done.  It looks like the HT has a good temp
readout for setting and monitoring roast profiles.  MichaelB mentioned
the programmable features, but is this available yet.  Tom's notes say
available in April/May timeframe.  If my friend gets a HT before that's
available, it looks like there will be an upgrade path available for him
if he wants to expand into that area.
 
~carlos
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of miKe
mcKoffee
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:56 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: +Which Roaster to Recommend
 
I actually agree with Michael B's Digital HotTop suggestion too.
Probably the most flexible, complete "off the shelf" home roaster
available. But just think, IF this friend is really a "Bill Gates" kind
of guy who you could talk into a $15k or so professional roast setup,
that you also had full use of, it'd be worth the "more work for you!"
 
miKe
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
	Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:48 AM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +Which Roaster to Recommend
	Carlos,  have him buy the same as you have.  The IR2 is a decent
machine, you are learning how to best use it, and he will get great
coffee pretty quickly.  Everything else will be more work for you...
	Brett
	
	 
	On 4/5/07, Les  wrote: 
	As much as I agree with Mike McKoffee, I have to go with Michael
B's suggestion.  However I would go to an RK if you wanted total profile
control after the Hottop.  
	 
	Les
	
	 
	
	On 4/5/07, MichaelB  wrote: 
	Carlos,
	 
	Tell your friend to get a hottop programmable. If he uses the
built in profile he can literally plug it in, start using it, and get
good roasts right away. The only roasting knowledge he'll need to be
successful is when to eject the beans. You should be able to show him or
tell him what to look for and of course direct him to the Sweet Maria's
website for detailed information. 
	 
	If he really likes roasting and decides to get into it in more
depth he can start profiling and programming. The default hottop profile
is good enough but there is room for developing personal preferences.
But if he doesn't want to get geeky about it he's still got a good
turnkey roaster. 
	 
	IMO the only real potential drawback about this choice is the
value for the money. There are some questions about whether the
programmable features are worth the money. But since price is not a
primary consideration, there is no problem with this model. 
	 
	
	 
	On 4/5/07, Mejia, Carlos  wrote: 
	 
	I have a friend who I've been turning on to my roasts and who
now wants to get a roaster and jump in the game himself.  He wants me to
recommend a roaster to buy.  He's been rather blessed in life and money
is not really an issue.  I have an iR2 and it's the only one I've ever
used or seen.  I see the ads on SM for the various other machines and
wondering what I should recommend for him as a first machine to learn
from.  I can tell him the pros/cons on the iR2 but not the others.  His
usage will likely be fairly small, primarily for he and his wife who
drink one or two cups a day.  She drinks decaf and he's on high octane.
I'm not sure but I believe their primary brew method is single cup drip
filters (Melitta). 
	 
	Any consensus on the best machine for him?

19) From: Jason Sheldon
Carlos,
If it was me, I would sell him the IR2 and upgrade.
Cheers,
Jason
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20) From: John Moody
That sounds very sensible.  If he really gets into it, the iR2 is likely not
too much of an investment for him if he is lured by other tools.
Regarding the programmable hottop, I would wait to read the upcoming SM
review of it, if you are thinking of suggesting it.  It should not be long
now.
John

21) From: Mark Bartkowiak
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But Ross, wouldn't the metal of the drum in a RK act like a faraday cage =
and block the signal?
Mark B.

22) From: Larry Johnson
Only if it's grounded.
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