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Topic: Decent espresso relatively simple to achieve > RE: +Bunch a ya'll be crazy (12 msgs / 319 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Just to alleviate any misconceptions, IMO just as a decent home roast is
fairly simple to achieve so is learning to pull a decent shot. The required
skills to pull a "decent shot" are not that difficult to learn, again IMO.
Decent shot defined as a shot better than you'll get 99% of the time "out
there"! 
 
It's only when continually trying to improve and learn does home roasting
become a never ending journey, same for espresso excellence. And whether
merely "decent", better than most commercially available, is fine by you or
whether either journey is for you is a matter of personal choice.
 
No need to be afraid of the Dark Side!
 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Larry Johnson
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:14 PM
I definitely feel the temptation, but just as I'm starting to look at
machines and grinders, someone will start a thread about backflushing the
E61 with citric acid into the HX boiler while temp surfing (whatever THAT
is) the SO God-shot with the bottomless portafilter with the thing and the
other thing ..... and I figure my life is complicated enough. Look, I'm a
old ex-field engineer, spent 29 years troubleshooting variable speed drives
and DCS systems in paper mills, steel mills etc.; worked on variable
frequency drives that ran off of 4160 volts and drove 6000 HP motors; and so
far I've managed to break 2 Fresh Roasts, 1 Poppery2, and now my iRoast
produces about half the heat that it did when I bought it 4 months ago (just
enough to bake the beans in 15 minutes). 
 
Coffee technology is too much for me, man. I got a BM/HG, 1 working
Poppery2, a Solis Maestro, a Presto Scandinavia, a French Press and a Moka
Pot. That's all I can handle. Oh, and I like the coffee. Especially from the
Moka Pot. Which is just like espresso, right?  >shields up< 

2) From: Les
Mike you are right on!  I hope we don't scare anyone away with our obsession
to push the envelope all of the time.  Actually, I have stepped back in the
last few months and am just enjoying great coffee.
Les
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3) From: Floyd Lozano
I don't mind pushing the envelope, but I mind defining 'decent' as 99th
percentile.  That's harsh judgement!
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4) From: miKe mcKoffee
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It may be "harsh" but it's the sad reality.
 
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Floyd Lozano
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:57 PM
I don't mind pushing the envelope, but I mind defining 'decent' as 99th
percentile.  That's harsh judgement!
On 4/5/07, Les  wrote: 
Mike you are right on!  I hope we don't scare anyone away with our obsession
to push the envelope all of the time.  Actually, I have stepped back in the
last few months and am just enjoying great coffee.
Les
On 4/5/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: 
Just to alleviate any misconceptions, IMO just as a decent home roast is
fairly simple to achieve so is learning to pull a decent shot. The required
skills to pull a "decent shot" are not that difficult to learn, again IMO.
Decent shot defined as a shot better than you'll get 99% of the time "out
there"! 

5) From: Eddie Dove
I have to agree on this.  Even though there is a loose nut behind the
portafilter handle on my Gaggia, my shots beat every espresso shot I
have purchased.
What temp should the water be that you add to the shot to make an Americano?
Eddie
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
LOL, there's a loose nut AND a loose cannon behind my PF!:-)
Americano water temp wise I use ~190f water from (filter fed) hot water on
demand unit at the sink. No complaints serving dozens of various home roast
guests multiple Gatherings etc.
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7) From: Michael Dhabolt
Floyd,
Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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I find 99th percentile may be harsh, but not an unrealistic definition of
'Decent' for the folks in this group.  Just using fresh homeroast gets you a
substantial portion toward that 99%.  And the more commercial shops that I
visit, the more I become convinced that the shops pulling shots that compare
favorably, are few and far between.  The unusual shop that does, however,
pull high quality shots ...... should (must) be coddled, and praised at
every opportunity - - example: espresso bar in the Powells Bookstore -
Hawthorne Blvd. Annex (Portland, Or.).
Mike (just plain)

8) From: Eddie Dove
"LOL, there's a loose nut AND a loose cannon behind my PF!:-)"
I have to agree on this ...  :-)  ... LOL
Thanks,
Eddie
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9) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hmmm... I use the hot water output from my Livia.  You don't suppose 
that is too hot do you?  I guess I could measure that temp to see what 
it is.  They have always been wonderful.
Michael
On Apr 5, 2007, at 10:51 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
LOL, there's a loose nut AND a loose cannon behind my PF!:-)
Americano water temp wise I use ~190f water from (filter fed) hot water 
on
demand unit at the sink. No complaints serving dozens of various home 
roast
guests multiple Gatherings etc.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I 
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal 
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone 
before.
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10) From: miKe mcKoffee
While an HX machines boiler water temp is well above 212f if the Americano
tastes wonderful to you then the water temp is fine!
For instance @1bar boiler ~253f, 1.2bar ~257f. That is not to say the water
will be that hot when it exits the water wand since it will no longer be
under pressure. Hmmm, just checked what the water coming from my Bric's
water wand with boiler set 1.2-1.25bar pstat toggle is via fast response
Thermopen thermometer: ~209f. Seems a bit high for drinkabliltiy. That was
drawing water into pre-heated SS pitcher. 
If "building" your Americano pulling hot water into the cup then pulling the
shot into the hot water, the water wand hot water would of course have
cooled some. But it does seem wander wand water could be a bit high if
pulling the shot then adding the hot water.
I use the hot water on demand unit simply from habit and it's convenient.
With Silvia it also at first meant not depleting the tank water faster
leading to filling the tank more often. (after float valve auto-fill mod
became moot, but continued using hot water on demand unit.) With direct
filled Bricoletta not tank to fill but still use hot water on demand unit,
again 'cuz that what it's there for, hot water on demand!
However, using the boiler water for Americanos with an HX machine actually
has a beneficial preventative maintenance side effect. Regardless the water
used if it has any mineral content at all over time the mineral content
concentration will increase in the boiler. While steaming pure water in the
form of steam leaves the boiler leaving what ever minerals it had behind.
When enough water is steamed out the boiler re-fills, but the minerals from
previous fills haven't left, so now overall boiler mineral content slightly
higher than what it was. One of the preventative maintenance tricks to help
keep HX boiler mineral content down is simply to regularly flush water out
the water wand drawing in new water diluting the accumulated boiler mineral
content. By using the boiler water for Americanos on a regular basis you're
doing that already! On tank machines can easily really drive boiler mineral
content down by flushing boiler with distilled water occasionaly. Since you
won't be totally "replacing" the boiler water with distilled water but
rather diluting, enough minerals left behind for proper auto-fill
functionality.
You can do the same thing with a direct plumbed HX machine but it's more
hassle since it's not simply filling the tank with distilled water to flush
the boiler. 
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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11) From: Barry Luterman
Mike remember when I was at your house with The Brute and I made Debi a few 
Americanos with him? She kept saying how good the Americano was. I pulled 
the hot water from the boiler of the Brute not from your sink doohickey. I 
always make my Americanos from the steam boiler. Try it you will like it.

12) From: john nanavati
This sounds like the beginning of "green espresso and ham"
Would you could you, from the sink?
Try it. You'll like it, I think ;- )
On 4/6/07, Barry Luterman  wrote:
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John Nanavati
Plainfield, New Jersey


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