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Topic: Inability to hear 2 nd crack (18 msgs / 494 lines)
1) From: Barry Luterman
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What I am thinking about would be a modified Helmholtz resonator.  Two =
copper tubes fitted into each other, like a slide whistle, with one end =
sealed. The resonator would be affixed to the roaster and the inside =
tube would be extended or shortened until a resonance is reached which =
is in the operators hearing range.

2) From: Ken Mary
Such high frequency sound is highly directional, and can be "beamed" by the
roaster design. Standing with the ear in or out of the beam or node can
render even a "loud" noise inaudible.
Maybe some totally enclosed roasters can be modified to allow a direct air
passage from the roast chamber to the ear. As an example, my latest roaster
uses an old rotisserie with a nichrome coil heater. The drum is made from
wire mesh. There is a one inch air space above the door that I plan to leave
that way for a while. Second crack is very loud, and first sounds like
firecrackers.
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operators hearing range.

3) From: Brett Mason
I am finding that I never hear first crack on my drum roaster...  The drum
is a stainless steel trash can with a pop-up lid.  I think this solid body
keeps the sounds in - maybe.  Second crack is audible, but first seems stuck
somewhere amidst the sound of beans tumbling and motor whining.  The motor
is RK's 56rpm, and is not that loud...
I sat on the step next to the roaster for the whole 14 minutes last night,
and darned if I wasn't surprizsed to hear the rice krispies - but no
popcorn...
Soon I'll miss my mind too...
Brett
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4) From: Floyd Lozano
may have asked before - do you have pics of your roaster setup?  only saw
the one of your porch ;)
-F
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5) From: john nanavati
That's really interesting. I roast HG; so, I'm close to the beans. After
thinking about it, I can understand why you might not be able to hear the
cracks so much with a RK.
Do the beans make more noise in the roaster before first crack vs second
crack because of expansion? I could understand that to "mask" or soften
first crack's pops and one possible reason that people have reported hearing
second louder than first.
I sure wish that I could come out for PNWG V. maybe next year
Btw, when you roast with a RK, you close the lid on the BBQ .. right? Then
the sounds have to make it through the drum and the lid.
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John Nanavati
Plainfield, New Jersey

6) From: Leo Zick
between the smoke, the smell, the sound, the sight.. if one of your senses
is off, does it really matter?
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7) From: Floyd Lozano
for roasters new to the game, yeah, i would think so.  can't see em, hard to
hear em - you're basically going by smell and trust of your thermometer in
the BBQ!
-F
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8) From: Brett Mason
I'm not new to the game, but would like to "pull" the roaster back to what I
know - popper / skillet methods.  The real concern I have is getting through
the process, and not blazing fast from 1st to 2nd - and that is where it
does matter....
Perhaps I am the only one struggling to hear 1st crack in a drum roaster...
I have some thoughts about insulating the motor better, to reduce extraneous
sound - AND let me BBQ in the rain....
I will post pictures per the other request, and offer the link later on
today...
Ideas welcome....
Thanks,
Brett
On 4/18/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Brett,
 
You've probably thought of it but thought I'd mention it anyway. Likely a
good idea while insulating the motor for quiet allowing for adequate motor
cooling air flow etc.
 
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:50 AM
I'm not new to the game, but would like to "pull" the roaster back to what I
know - popper / skillet methods.  The real concern I have is getting through
the process, and not blazing fast from 1st to 2nd - and that is where it
does matter.... 
 
Perhaps I am the only one struggling to hear 1st crack in a drum roaster...
I have some thoughts about insulating the motor better, to reduce extraneous
sound - AND let me BBQ in the rain....
 
I will post pictures per the other request, and offer the link later on
today...
 
Ideas welcome....
Thanks,
Brett

10) From: Brett Mason
My thoughts are to create a "box" around the motor, leaving ventilation on
the bottom for airflow.  This should reduce the white noise.  Don't know how
to make the beans tumble quietly though....
B
On 4/18/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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11) From: Eddie Dove
Just a thought ... you may be able to cut up a soffit vent ($1-  $2) for the
sides and angle the louvers downward ... dampen the noise and keep out
rain.  I was thinking about doing this, but haven't yet.
Eddie
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12) From: John Moody
Momentarily stop the drum … I asked the same question.
John

13) From: Coffeenut
Brett,
Ahhh...the age-old problem, even going back to my years of using the
Alpenrost electric roaster (same issues with sight and sound).  A few beans
are just downright hard to hear during 1st C, so I have to ignore that for
right now.  Having a spinning drum with the tinkling sound of beans tossing,
a spit rod mechanically turning/producing some sound and having the drum
under a closed metal lid are the problems.  I have an AC 57RPM motor and
it's the quietest thing in the whole rig.  Add to the noisier components,
our individual abilities to hear (or lack thereof).  What one person can
hear may be inaudible to another.
It would be nice to have some way to amplify the sounds of the beans
reaching cracks so they don't compete with other necessary sounds of drum
roasting.  It may be laughable, but the first thing that came to mind was
one of those ear horns like is seen used by the hard of hearing on old
movies/cartoons.  What if there was a hole in the lid (or somewhere) that
you could insert something to aid in hearing sounds near the drum?  I was
envisioning a hole with a flap that could be closed to prevent loss of heat
when not listening.  I guess you could always just lift the lid slightly to
try to hear 1st C better, but it would have to be fast to avoid a lot of
heat loss.  As a side benefit, for those old enough to appreciate this, it
could also burn off your ear hair...naw just kiddin'.
Personally, I don't have a big issue hearing either 1st or 2nd C and my
hearing is not the best these days.  My wife claims I have some sort of "off
switch" that seems to work at will. 
I'd prefer having a Tryer as part of my drum setup, but my design doesn't
currently allow it.  Seems from the videos I've seen of the Pros doing
roasts in commercial drum roasters, they are using sight a lot and checking
the beans (via the Tryer) frequently right before deciding to end the roast.
Rick
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:50 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Inability to hear 2 nd crack
I'm not new to the game, but would like to "pull" the roaster back to what I
know - popper / skillet methods.  The real concern I have is getting through
the process, and not blazing fast from 1st to 2nd - and that is where it
does matter.... 
 
Perhaps I am the only one struggling to hear 1st crack in a drum roaster...
I have some thoughts about insulating the motor better, to reduce extraneous
sound - AND let me BBQ in the rain....
 
I will post pictures per the other request, and offer the link later on
today...
 
Ideas welcome....
Thanks,
Brett
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14) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hey Brett,
You are not the only one who struggles to hear 1st crack in a drum 
roaster.  I have a lot of trouble hearing it with my Hottop.
Michael
On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Brett Mason wrote:
I'm not new to the game, but would like to "pull" the roaster back to 
what I know - popper / skillet methods.  The real concern I have is 
getting through the process, and not blazing fast from 1st to 2nd - and =
that is where it does matter....
 
Perhaps I am the only one struggling to hear 1st crack in a drum 
roaster...  I have some thoughts about insulating the motor better, to =
reduce extraneous sound - AND let me BBQ in the rain....
 
I will post pictures per the other request, and offer the link later on =
today...
 
Ideas welcome....
Thanks,
Brett
 
On 4/18/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote: for roasters new 
to the game, yeah, i would think so.  can't see em, hard to hear em - =
you're basically going by smell and trust of your thermometer in the 
BBQ!
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.comL. Michael Fraley, MD=

15) From: Leo Zick
what do you suppose people like thishttp://www.ethiopianrestaurant.com/ethiopian_coffee.htmlor the quintessential picture of the  old world guy over a fire pit with a
drum, do?
with everyones highly tuned senses to recognize blueberries and apricots and
blooming lilies and wet mattresses on a spring afternoon with a low sunset;
im sure its more challenging on a drum setup, but wouldnt it make sense to
smell, or, open the door and peek in?
i understand the difficulty, i just sometimes fail to see the necessity for
highly tuned capabilities, when its one of the oldest and most simplistic
traditions around.  i wonder what these conversations would look like to a
wine mssg board.  i mean, theres acid adjustments, pressing, fermentation,
cold soak, maceration, aging, racking, bottling.. in the end, know what
rules? how it tastes to you.
On 4/18/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote: for roasters new
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16) From: Floyd Lozano
What's missing is the everyone around you passing down the knowledge from
generation to generation 'how to tell when it's done'.  Get some Ethiopians
on the list and spill the beans, so to speak!
-F
ps are there blueberries in Ethiopia?  I bet they pick up blueberries and
say 'omfg these things taste like coffee!' ;)
On 4/18/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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17) From: Leo Zick
i wonder what happens on the egg message board every time a person first
tries to cook an egg.
lol
On 4/18/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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18) From: TERRY TITSWORTH
IIRC last year when the question, "if there are blueberries in Ethiopia, do
they think they taste like coffee?" someone responded, "No they
think blueberries tastes like MONEY." I don't recall who said it, but it was
probably Raymond...ro...that's his style...
On 4/18/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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Start HOT and work your way Down...
Peppers AND Coffee.
[|:{O....[|:{U...
(I'm the tall guy in the middle)


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