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Topic: Woo-hoo, Aloha Harvey! (25 msgs / 559 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
In this case USPS Flat Rate box from Pele Plantations arrived today. (SM I
use UPS since cheaper and only takes 3 days:-) When I saw what it was my
heart beat picked-up and it dawned on me it's been quite some time since got
"excited" about a greens arrival. But this was no ordinary shipment and
included 2# greens from the long "Out of Stock, available to Coffee Club
members only" this year's Kona Cupping Competition winner Pearl's Estate.
(Couldn't talk Gus out of more - he's The Head Bean, says so on his biz'
cards:-) Plus 4# from one of Pearl's neighbors Zuma Estate, a comp' finalist
themselves and couple others. Shipment's been waiting for another "Out of
Stock, reserved for..." to have some parchment milled to greens, a long time
favorite little 2 acre Kube Estate.
One thing I think is cool about the way Pele ships is the greens come in
sealed ziplocks, and the ziplocks then in small burlap bags. Order sheet
includes a note recommending transferring from the zips to burlap and
storing in cool dry place. Even though I told Gus not to bother with the
burlaps Cynthia included them forgetting I FoodSaver vac' bag greens as soon
as I get them. She does make cute little burlap bags out of the big bags
though, with fancy ribbon tie closures too!http://home.comcast.net/~mckona/AlohaHarvey.jpgBut any roasting of the new Kona arrivals will have to wait. Just roasted a
half of 05/06 crop Hula Daddy as one of our coffee selections for the coming
week/weekend...
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URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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2) From: Leo Zick
i was standing outside a dunkin donuts today and saw a delivery being made.
not only did it have coffee, but it had donuts too!
On 4/18/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Guess I'm "too short" 'cuz the meaning to your post went over my head!
 
If you meant Kona greens from Pele on par with Dunkin' Donuts coffee, based
on over a decade dealing with Pele I have to disagree.
 
If you meant another stupid Harvey thread, well then I totally agree! :-)
 
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URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Leo Zick
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:33 PM
i was standing outside a dunkin donuts today and saw a delivery being made.
not only did it have coffee, but it had donuts too!

4) From: Leo Zick
#2.
;-)
On 4/18/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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5) From: neal prentiss
On the Pele Plantations website they recommend freezing the roasted beans,
here is a quote from their brewing and storage page,
"*In fact, at temperatures below freezing the coffee does not de-gas at all.
So put your coffee in the freezer to keep it fresh!"
* I thought freezing was a no-no.
???
Neal
On 4/18/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Freezing roasts a no-no? Have you talked to Michael Sivetz lately? :-) Or
ask Tom about the bag-o-mexican he'd roasted and tossed in the freezer then
forgot about for months. However, for normal "home roast" consumption not
necessary. OTH can come in quite handy for returning from vacation etc.
 
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of neal prentiss
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:10 PM
On the Pele Plantations website they recommend freezing the roasted beans,
here is a quote from their brewing and storage page,
"In fact, at temperatures below freezing the coffee does not de-gas at all.
So put your coffee in the freezer to keep it fresh!"
 I thought freezing was a no-no.
???
Neal

7) From: Justin Marquez
On 4/18/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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You bought these coffees from Sweet Maria's?  I can't find 'em on their
website.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
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website. 
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Obviously not. They are Konas Tom can never get, period. AND no commercial
link was posted. Any other questions?
Oh (just so there's no confusion) is it any different mentioning Kona greens
from another source that Tom cannot carry (without giving a link) than
mentioning a brewing or roasting device Tom doesn't carrying and saying were
you got it? (again without including a link.) For example what's all this
talk about RK drums away, Tom doesn't sell them!
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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9) From: Justin Marquez
On 4/18/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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So if I mention the corporate name of my local source of the Guat coffees I
drink most mornings and the person's name whom I contact on this list but
without actually posting a link or phone number, is that considered OK?  I
have never mentioned the source's name on-list (and will never do
so) because I just didn't think it was the right thing to do.  (Les... am I
way off base on this?)
If the beans you were talking about are some that Tom could never carry,
then I have to assume that they are beans that the rest of probably could
never get either. In that case, frankly, why would the rest of us care to
hear about them anyway?  If they are beans we could get (even if Tom can't
carry them), then it seems that the source still represents some competition
to Tom.
!i
There's a lot about this I just don't understand, apparently.
i!
(Hang on a sec while I locate my Nomex gear... I assume retribution is about
to occur.... OK.... "fire" away...)
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

10) From: Leo Zick
haahha!! look what i have that you cant have!!
On 4/19/07, Justin Marquez  wrote:
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11) From: Brett Mason
Well, OK, I have a question...
Is Pele Plantations known to misrepresent?  I don't expect so, but perhaps
you know something about them that is not obvious.
Pele Plantations, on their website, indicates they support the wholesale
buyer, and they provide appropriate links to that end.
Is there some other preclusion by which Tom can never get, period?  I think
Tom is still capable of wholesale buying.  But then what do I know.  I don't
think he buys retail to sell to us at no mark-up...
Brett
On 4/18/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

12) From: miKe mcKoffee
All I can go by is Tom's response to similar posts of mine referencing Konas
I've gotten from other sources, primarily Pele Plantations, for 5 previous
Kona crop seasons. He has had no problem with them in the past. I'm quite
certain that if Tom considered them no-no "commercial posts" he'd let me
know.
And the 'assumption' that since Tom can never carry said Kona means
individuals can not obtain them is incorrect, assumptions without
investigation often are. Tom can't get them to offer because they are never
offered at wholesale, always sold strictly direct. Tom "could" carry them if
he wanted to pay retail for wholesale quantities of greens and then have to
mark them up to a non-competitive price... 
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Justin Marquez
	Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:49 AM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +Woo-hoo, Aloha Harvey!
	So if I mention the corporate name of my local source of the Guat
coffees I drink most mornings and the person's name whom I contact on this
list but without actually posting a link or phone number, is that considered
OK?  I have never mentioned the source's name on-list (and will never do so)
because I just didn't think it was the right thing to do.  (Les... am I way
off base on this?) 
	 
	If the beans you were talking about are some that Tom could never
carry, then I have to assume that they are beans that the rest of probably
could never get either. In that case, frankly, why would the rest of us care
to hear about them anyway?  If they are beans we could get (even if Tom
can't carry them), then it seems that the source still represents some
competition to Tom. 
	 
	!i
	There's a lot about this I just don't understand, apparently.
	i!
	 
	(Hang on a sec while I locate my Nomex gear... I assume retribution
is about to occur.... OK.... "fire" away...)
	
	Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
	Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

13) From: Justin Marquez
Well, they advertise to sell green coffee beans  in 2# lots to homeroasters
on their site amd they sell roasted coffee on their web site to all who will
plunk down the $$.
How is this NOT competition to our host?  How is mentioning the unique
specific corporate name not de facto "advertising"?  I would concur that
posting a link or phone number would be especially offensive, but giving a
specific competitive source's name seems nearly as much so to me.
What am I missing here?
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music,
Justin Marquez
(Cypress, TX)
On 4/19/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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14) From: Floyd Lozano
I think I saw Tom in some orgranic grocery store filling cloth bags from the
the Equal Exchange dispensers...
-F
On 4/19/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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15) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Pele represents a number of select small Estates. Their definition of
"wholesale" for greens is not what is considered normal wholesale pricing
and available to anybody buying 12# or more on a single order, namely 10%
off. Just ask in the comment box at check out. Might also note Pele's
website reference to wholesale talks about roasted Kona and other products
like mac nuts etc. including custom labeling. Since these small estate
offerings sell out virtually every year they have no incentive to market
large lots of greens at real wholesale prices. I suspect larger wholesale
orders for roasted Kona and nuts etc. may receive larger than 10% discount
but have never asked.
 
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ 
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:22 AM
Well, OK, I have a question...
 
Is Pele Plantations known to misrepresent?  I don't expect so, but perhaps
you know something about them that is not obvious.
 
Pele Plantations, on their website, indicates they support the wholesale
buyer, and they provide appropriate links to that end.
 
Is there some other preclusion by which Tom can never get, period?  I think
Tom is still capable of wholesale buying.  But then what do I know.  I don't
think he buys retail to sell to us at no mark-up...
 
Brett

16) From: Leo Zick
im sure its a niche market, and cant even supply tom with the quantities
that he would need, but, at $30/lb, what exactly are you drinking? i got
into coffee roasting to save money, not to take a 2nd mortgage out!
On 4/19/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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17) From: Justin Marquez
On 4/19/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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Ha-ha! We all know how *that* plan worked out!
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

18) From: miKe mcKoffee
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Leo Zick
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Make sure you don't enter this year's annual Christmas List gifting (that's
been going on for a number of years) which has always been Kona and usually
from the Kona Cupping Competition winner that anyone else could have gotten
too had they made the effort. Because if you do enter you might end up the
winner and be the recipient and then have exactly what I made the effort to
obtain...
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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19) From: Leo Zick
:( dont remind me. my wife does all the time.
its not one of my cheaper hobbies.
On 4/19/07, Justin Marquez  wrote:
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20) From: Les
Tom wants us to talk about coffee!  To be real blunt, I sure would like to
see more coffee talk and I do enjoy hearing about Mike's Kona adventures.
For those who don't know, Mike has specialized in Kona coffee and has worked
hard on making some personal connections in Hawaii.  A second point in this
discussion I would like to make is there is no way that any one individual
can bring all the great coffees to market.  Sweet Marias doesn't have the
corner on all the great coffee.  I have been drinking a very nice Brazil
that Tom doesn't carry.  It is one I doubt he would carry.  So scream if you
want!  I was reading in my coffee book that I got from Tom that there are
over 135,000 coffee farms just in Brazil.  So if Tom would just get with the
program and get down there and start cupping coffee from 10 farms a day he
would be done in  about 40 years.  So what does Sweet Marias do for us?  We
get the best of the best.  Tom could simply call Royal Coffee just down the
road and say, send me a couple of good Brazils, or Konas or what ever and
sell them.  That is what a lot of people do.  No, Tom has done three great
things in my opinion. (1) He cups everything he sells. (2) He has gone to
many countries and participated in the CoE contests and established
relationships with farmers and brings us some very unique coffees. (3) He
doesn't just buy on reputation.  Every crop has to prove itself.  I sure
would have likes some more Java Prince this year, but it must not have
cupped right.  There are coffees we will never get!  I had a great thing
going with 6 Australian coffee farmers.  Thor Tamper was thinking of
branching out into Aussie coffee before Tom started carrying some.  However,
the Aussie government put a stop to my little adventure.  All six of these
farms sell out of coffee every year.  Let me tell you it is really good
stuff!  However the Aussie government said, 'If our country will buy it all
you can't export any of it."  Tom puts up with that kind of garbage for us
all the time.  So just to be clear,  Tom doesn't mind us talking about other
coffees, just don't post links or URLs.  I don't know how anyone could keep
up on all the great offerings Tom sends our way.  Lets talk more coffee.
For those who have never tried the Aqua Tibia, now is your chance!
On 4/19/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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21) From: Leo Zick
so you dont want me to have any?
gee thanks! no loss, i wont enter, and will be sure to post this email, of
my warning not to!
im happy youre proud you secured such prized beans, but it seems many are
taking it as gloating and advertisement.
On 4/19/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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22) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Huh, I saw no Kona "greens" @$30/lb... 
 
Besides, people home roast for different reasons. While I didn't get into
home roasting to save money, but rather to increase quality and freshness,
for the record my latest greens order from Pele could in fact be considered
saving money compared to some Kona sources, coming to $14.85/lb average
price including shipping.
 
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ 
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Leo Zick
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:55 AM
im sure its a niche market, and cant even supply tom with the quantities
that he would need, but, at $30/lb, what exactly are you drinking? i got
into coffee roasting to save money, not to take a 2nd mortgage out!

23) From: Justin Marquez
Les,
I stand corrected.  Thanks for your clarification.
MiKe - My apologies to you are in order.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On 4/19/07, Les  wrote:
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24) From: Les
Leo,
Send me your address and I will send you samples of the free coffee that
comes my way.  It doesn't happen real often, but I have tamper customers
that send me greens that are suppose to be "good."  One out of  ten make it
into Tom's ballpark.  The rest are usually flat and tasteless or as sour as
a pickle.  One guy sent me 5 pounds of "great coffee from Kenya."  I spent
over 2 hours sorting out sticks and bad beans ending up with about a pound
of so - so coffee.  If you want to try the last of a fairly good Brazil,
just send me your address.  I have some CoE DP Brazils in the stash from
last year that I would much rather enjoy.  I am serious, send you your
address and I will ship them, then you won't feel left out.
Les
On 4/19/07, Justin Marquez  wrote:
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25) From: Justin Marquez
On 4/19/07, Les  wrote:
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In that spirit, let me brag a little then about my local Houston source.  It
is called R. Dalton Coffees and they are directly affiliated with some
Guatemalan farms.  Their coffees are excellent and are quite reasonable in
cost, too.  I particularly like one called El Recreo. I started buying from
them when I got the RK drum because I figured I would have a learning curve
to traverse. (I was right about that!) and did not want to burn up really
fine coffee to season the drum and to use in learning the new method. Once I
finally hit "City+" and actually brewed soome of the coffee as a test, I was
hooked! I have since tried most of their offerings and even to my half-dead
taste buds, they have good stuff.  To be sure, those of you outside of
driving distance to Houston may not find an economic advantage to their
offerings.  If you have a new roaster and suspect that you may end up  and
"toast a roast" or two, you still may want to give them a try. Or if you are
just curious about how interesting an inexpensive coffee can really be, they
are pretty easy to find on the www.
Most mornings at our house involve a half-caf brew using one of Tom's
excellent decafs (the best anywhere as far as I can tell) and one of those
low-cost Guats.  It is a rich, fragrant and delicious blend and my wife
complains if I brew it any other way in the mornings.  We brew some of Tom's
finest regular beans at times when we have more time to sit and savor the
flavor - when we have company or at quiet times on Sunday afternoons, etc.
After all, you'd really be hard pressed to find better beans than SM has to
offer.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)


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