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Topic: Coming clean on the tradition (16 msgs / 370 lines)
1) From: jim gundlach
Back on Sept 22, 2002 I offered up a Solis 166 upper burr as a gift  
to a list member who would agree to offer something else to the list  
who would agree to do the same and keep "The Tradition" going.  A  
couple of times over the last few years someone has suggested I might  
have some sociological experiment in mind when I did it.  Well, I had  
not thought of it as an experiment for research purposes but I did  
see it as an application of some research from cultural  
anthropology.  In simple societies they often have gift exchanges  
along the lines of potential conflict.  For example mother-in-law and  
son-in-law gift exchanges are common.  It is believe these gift  
exchanges help sooth conflict.  When I suggested the tradition I had  
hope that it would reduce the frequency of flames on the list.  Well,  
I am finishing up teaching my last research methods course at Auburn  
before I retire and the last research assignment I assigned my  
students was to go to the list archive and select a rather large  
sample of posting from before and after the tradition and count the  
number of each with and without antagonistic statements to or about  
another list member, aka flames.  Well, the results are in.   The  
post-tradition sample has 40.9% fewer fames than pre-tradition  
sample.  It seems to have worked.  I have no intention to publish  
these finding but the students will have a question on the final that  
asks them how this conforms and differs from a classical controlled  
experiment.  Any of them who bothers to read the list will have a leg  
up on the others.  I also let them talk me into doing a blind taste  
comparison of Folgers, this came up when one of the students wanted  
to know if telling someone to go drink Folgers should be classified  
as flaming,   and some of my home roast on the last day of class.
     Pecan Jim

2) From: miKe mcKoffee
Jim,
Way cool! So does that mean we've been a good natured little List these past
going on 5 years? (Myself excluded of course:-)
Uh, talked into a blind tasting with Foulgers! Oh my, you are indeed a
dedicated Professor. I do hope you experience no lasting ill effects!
You know over the years it's become muddled and commonly thought Dave Huddle
started the tradition. But in reality you started the round robin natured
affair and coined the name "A Dave Huddle Tradition". For historical
reference I quote:
"Date: Sun Sep 22 15:14:14 2002 
Topic: A Dave Huddle Tradition (5 msgs / 91 lines)
1) From: jim gundlach 
I am the beneficiary of Dave Hudddle's offer of a vacuum pot gasket. He had
it. It would not work for him so he offered it to someone on the list for
postage. I e-mailed first so I got it. He will ship it and when I get it I
will send him the postage. To make it a tradition, I have a new outside burr
for the Solis 166, I think it is the same as for = the 177 and the Mastero
(sp?). I paid $25.00 for it and it did not fix = my grinder so I ordered a
Rocky. I am offering the new burr to the first person on the list to e-mail
me. They must agree to the same arrangement plus agree to keep it going.
That is, agree to pay me the price for shipping after you get it = and offer
something else coffee related to the list. Just offer it to = the first
taker on the list who agrees to pay shipping and agrees to offer something
else to the list under the same conditions. Jim Gundlach roasting over pecan
wood fires in La Place, Alabama "
End quote of first actual "tradition" post.
We both know replacing only that upper burr did me as much good as it do
you! Ok it did us both good, we upgraded to better grinders:-)
BTW, anyone recall who currently "has" the tradition?
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Thanks Jim,
very interesting!
ginny
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4) From: jim gundlach
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:59 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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Not that dedicated, the students will be doing the tasting.  I'll  
taste mine to check on it but I'll pass on the Folgers.
      Pecan Jim
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Uh, talked into a blind = tasting with Foulgers! Oh my, you are indeed a

dedicated Professor. I do = hope you experience no lasting ill effects!

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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Ah, now I understand. They wanted to see if they taste tell a difference.
 
BTW, what was your response to their query if telling someone to go drink
Folgers was considered a flame? :-)
 
This "lab rat" starting the morning with a Brazil Cacheoira YB Cafe' Crema
Americano.
 
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found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:44 AM
On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:59 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
Uh, talked into a blind tasting with Foulgers! Oh my, you are indeed a
dedicated Professor. I do hope you experience no lasting ill effects!
Not that dedicated, the students will be doing the tasting. I'll taste mine
to check on it but I'll pass on the Folgers.
Pecan Jim

6) From: Alchemist John
That is fantastic.  I would love to see raw data and the flame vs 
non-flame criteria.  Not to denigrate it, but it has IgNoble written 
all over it.
At 20:08 4/19/2007, you wrote:
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7) From: Brett Mason
I must admit that my "nice-ness" has improved considerably over the last few
years.  Could well be the traditions.  But this could also be from Al Gore's
warnings on global warming, which have also increased considerably since he
invented the Internet.  I certainly don't mind your study taking credit for
my newer, more kindly and gentle side...
CO2 anyone?
Brett
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8) From: Jason
Brett,
Be careful or we will be required to buy "Carbon Offset Units" because
roasted coffee off gases CO2...
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9) From: Brett Mason
I figure when I get up to 20 bedrooms and start flying my personal jet, the
least I could do for the environment is - well talk about it and send money!
In the meantime I will just yell at the kids (nicely, thank you Jim!) "Turn
off the darned lights!!!!"
See - more gentle every day!
B
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10) From: Eddie Dove
WOW!  Did they up the dosage on the prescription you mentioned before?
Eddie
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11) From:
lab rat, lab rat, we all be sometimes!!
well things could be worse!
what I want to know is the scale of flames v. traditions v. unique member use!!!
I bet the flames have nothing to do with time of member tradition offering.
love ya guy but too many flaws Jim.
ginny

12) From:
C02, yes inhale...
better with greens and perhaps some peanuts and chocolate!
ginny
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13) From: Brett Mason
Nope!  Eddie, I decided to stop taking the prescribed meds (200mg Ballz-Off,
3x daily).
Now my wife & kids are kiding, and anthro-osociological study groups are
calling my house....
I feel much more empowered!
Go ahead and ask me what I think!
Brett
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14) From: Brett Mason
Coffee Trees and Oxygen:
A major source of oxygen in many parts in the world, it is estimated that
each hectare of coffee produces 86 pounds of oxygen a day.  This is
comparable to half the production of oxygen of the same area in a rain
forest.
So drink up my friends - you ARE a CO2 Offset, by participation in this
hobby!
Oh, reference?  try this:
 http://www.ringsurf.com/info/Food/Coffee/Coffee_Plants/Al Gore's newest bestest, and KINDEST friend....
Brett
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15) From: jim gundlach
John,
     The students have the raw data in reports I have yet to grade.   
I just had them read the number off before and after flames in class  
and I entered them into a spreadsheet on the classroom computer so I  
don't even have that data at hand right now.  Not only that, I put  
the entire formula in one cell so I did not even look at the numbers  
in the total.  Twenty-one students read fifty before and fifty after  
postings.  I know there were inconsistencies from student to student  
but having all the students do an equal number of before and after  
helps keep the the errors balanced. Each student writes up their own  
report with just their own data.  Of course the archives are out  
there for anyone else who wants to look at things on their own.  If I  
did this right, I would use alt.coffee as a control group.
      Pecan Jim
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16) From: Brian Kamnetz
I'm wondering if it might also be interesting to try to define "chronic
flamers"(see whether the 10/90 rule applied, where 10 percent of population
accounts for 90 percent of probs), ID chronic flamers, ID patterns of
chronic flamers, presence/absence of chronic flamers, etc. None-the-less,
it's a fun little project for students and interesting to hear the results.
Brian
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