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Topic: Learning Degree of Roast ---> was: Dark Roasts with Nesco / Zach & Dani's Roaster (5 msgs / 125 lines)
1) From: Eddie Dove
In all sincerity, if I can get the gist of this in a matter of months,
way down here on the Gulf Coast of Mississippi, with nothing more than
my computer, heat and beans, then anyone can!
First, I ignore color until after the roast is done.  Sincerely, I
look at the color after the roast has been cooled and it is sitting on
my kitchen counter.  Time, smell, smoke and cracks are much better
indicators.  When I describe levels of roast, like light or dark, I am
actually referring to the amount of roast applied to the bean and not
bean color at all.
I try to adhere to the parameters explained in the pictorial roast
guide that Tom has published, or at least my understanding of it.
Just before 1st crack ends, there is a really light roast called
Cinnamon.  The span between the end of 1st crack and the onset of 2nd
crack is divided into three segments:
City - This is after 1st crack has completed and the roast smell is
has changed from "baking bread" and is light, sweet, floral, etc.
City + - This is the midpoint and is the period after the roast smell
has sharpened just a bit, but before the aroma sharpens more
dramatically and becomes more pungent.
Full City - this is the last segment before 2nd crack when the aroma
becomes more pungent and is commonly associated with an increase in
smoke which signifies that 2nd crack is eminent.
At the onset of 2nd crack:
Full City+ - about 10 seconds worth of 2nd crack, but no momentum at all.
Vienna - 2nd crack is underway and gaining momentum
French - boiling 2nd crack (like when milk is poured on Rice Krispies)
and perhaps slowing
Spanish - tantamount to charcoal
Flames - Flames
Perhaps this was just an exercise to refresh things in my mind, but I
hope this is helpful to someone ...
Docendo Discimus
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2) From: Justin Marquez
Eddie -
An excellent, concise description of the roast level cues.  (MiKe -
Whaddayathink...?  200 CSA points...?)
I agree about the bean colors. Even though I can see it while HG/DB, I
really pay no attention to it at all other than to enjoy watching the
green-to-yellow-to-tan-to-brown progression. I also enjoy watching the beans
occcasionally "hop" during first crack as the steam suddenly pops out and
the bean expands right before your eyes.  Ah. Zen roasting.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On 4/20/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:

3) From: Floyd Lozano
Good summary - I think maybe I just need to read things more throroughly
because I had some of this jumbled around in my mind.  Thanks!
On 4/21/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:

4) From: Jon Rosen
This is an excellent , concise description, but tell me one thing.  
Bean color may not mean much, but where does the appearance of an  
oily coating fit into your roasts?
On Apr 21, 2007, at 12:23 AM, Eddie Dove wrote:

5) From: miKe mcKoffee
I'm not Floyd, believe you were actually asking Eddie about his reply to
Floyd, and since neither have responded yet I will.
Oil won't begin to appear during a roast until Vienna to Light French. I
almost never roast that dark. See also http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting-VisualGuideV2.htmlPacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee">http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasted.pict-guide.htmlandhttp://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting-VisualGuideV2.htmlPacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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