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1) From: Jonser
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Trying to decide which beans to start with for my first roast.  Can =
someone please suggest one for me? I usually prefer dark roast for =
espresso and coffee.
thanks ahead
Jason 
Kitsap county

2) From: Jonser
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Trying to decide which beans to start with for my first roast.  Can =
someone please suggest one for me? I usually prefer dark roast for =
espresso and coffee.
thanks ahead
Jason 
Kitsap county

3) From: Brian Kamnetz
Jason,
I would suggest that you get a double sampler. That is one pound each of 8
different kinds of beans, selected by the good folks at Sweet Maria's. At
worst, each one is excellent, but different people like different things.
The samplers are a very good way to "survey" a broad range of coffees.
A tip: on the label of each package of green beans, Tom suggests a roast
level. I suggest that you try to roast to that level, unless you are using a
hot air popper, in which case I suggest you take everything about 10 seconds
into second crack.
Good luck! Remember, the worst you can do is pretty good, as long as you are
getting separation between first and second crack, and as long as your
roasting method is capable of taking the roast to second crack.
Of course, others may have different suggestions, and I don't mean to say
that my suggestions are the Absolute Truth!
Brian
PS: Where is Kitsap County?
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4) From: Brett Mason
Jason,
If you get the 8-pack, you'll get one or two coffees that are OK, 3-4 that
are really good, and two that will dazzle you.  It's not that Sweet Marias
is dumping, it's more that your taste is what matters.  I would bet that
every coffee in the sampler is "dazzling" to someone on this list.
Certainly all of them are top-of-the-top of the coffee hill.  It's just that
I like my Colombians and Brazils, and others like their Harrars and
Yirgacheffe's....
Get the sampler, Brian is dead-on right...
And take notes,
Brett
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5) From:
Jason/Jonser!!!  ok
Tom has an espresso 4/8 pack. Get a four pack of each of the regular? and the espresso.
have some fun Jonser...
ginny
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6) From:
brett, you dazzle me guy!!
ginny
by the way #76 of the PNWG II is my son!!
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7) From: Jeff Oien
Jonser wrote:
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Some that stand up to a darker roast:
Yemen Mokha Sana'anihttp://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee.indonesia.sumatra.html#mandhelingclassicAnd you can blend those two. ^">http://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee.arabia.yemen.html#sanaSumatrahttp://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee.indonesia.sumatra.html#mandhelingclassicAnd you can blend those two. ^
Sweet Maria's French Roast Blendhttp://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee.other.blends.html#Puro.ScuroI personally wouldn't get a sampler for this. There would be too many ">http://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee.other.blends.html#sm.frenchroastSweet Maria's Puro Scuro Blendhttp://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee.other.blends.html#Puro.ScuroI personally wouldn't get a sampler for this. There would be too many 
beans in there that you definitely don't want to take dark.
JeffO

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
Jason,
I agree sampler a great way to go, even after you know or think you know
what you like 'cuz tastes can change and or mature!
If you have already been buying particular single origins pre-roasted might
also order some that are similar. When I started home roasting we'd already
been buying Sumatra Lintong & Sulawesi pre-roasted on a regular basis, among
others. When our local roaster lost their lease in the Mall to Seattle's
Worst (tm;-) we lost track of them. Searching for online sources that we
good order Sumatra Lintong at different roast levels is how I discovered
home roasting. Consequently my first greens order included some of EVERY
Indonesian coffee offered, plus some others. Don't recall if Tom offered the
samplers back then, if he did I missed them.
Brian, if it's the Kitsap County I'm thinking of across Puget Sound from
Seattle, WA.
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brian Kamnetz
	Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:22 PM
	
	Jason,
	
	I would suggest that you get a double sampler. That is one pound
each of 8 different kinds of beans, selected by the good folks at Sweet
Maria's. At worst, each one is excellent, but different people like
different things. The samplers are a very good way to "survey" a broad range
of coffees. 
	
	A tip: on the label of each package of green beans, Tom suggests a
roast level. I suggest that you try to roast to that level, unless you are
using a hot air popper, in which case I suggest you take everything about 10
seconds into second crack. 
	
	Good luck! Remember, the worst you can do is pretty good, as long as
you are getting separation between first and second crack, and as long as
your roasting method is capable of taking the roast to second crack.
	
	Of course, others may have different suggestions, and I don't mean
to say that my suggestions are the Absolute Truth!
	
	Brian
	
	PS: Where is Kitsap County?
	
	On 4/21/07, Jonser  wrote: 
		Trying to decide which beans to start with for my first
roast.  Can someone please suggest one for me? I usually prefer dark roast
for espresso and coffee.
		 
		thanks ahead
		 
		Jason 
		Kitsap county

9) From: raymanowen
" There would be too many beans in there that you definitely don't want to
take dark."
Totally agreed, so don't. For any bean/roast that's good as a drip brew, try
a shot in the espresso maker.
I'm just going from memory, but I think a Guatemala HHT was just tapping
foul shots in my press. I have no idea what I was doing rong. An espresso
grind and brew made me forget all about any supposed rongness.
If the gophers turn their nose up at some Black Hole Roast, how's the
espresso machine supposed to make it drinkable? I did something rong, but it
certainly wasn't a Black Hole Roast.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really
true, there would be little hope of advance.  Orville
Wright

10) From: Jeff Oien
raymanowen wrote:
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I prefer to answer the question that was asked.
If people would like to encourage the original poster to roast lighter, 
that would be a different subject.
JeffO

11) From: Sandy Andina
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I found Puro Scuro to be versatile and forgiving.
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Sandy Andina
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Trying to decide which = beans to start with for my first roast.  Can someone please suggest = one for me? I usually prefer dark roast for espresso and = coffee.   = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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12) From: Sandy Andina
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Now that's odd, because I've found Guat. HHT, taken to City-City+,  
works beautifully in either  French press or Aeropress.  Never tried  
it as a straight SO shot--I use espresso blends (Monkey, Liquid  
Amber, Donkey, Metropolis Greenline, and my own rocket-fuel blend)  
for espresso, though I do love Aussie Mt. Top for espresso.  FWIW, I  
like a lighter roast for espresso.   Guess it was all those years of  
Caffe d'Arte Firenze blend before I discovered local roasters and  
home roasting.
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Now that's odd, because I've =
found Guat. HHT, taken to City-City+, works beautifully in either  =
French press or Aeropress.  Never tried it as a straight SO shot--I =
use espresso blends (Monkey, Liquid Amber, Donkey, Metropolis Greenline, =
and my own rocket-fuel blend) for espresso, though I do love Aussie Mt. =
Top for espresso.  FWIW, I like a lighter roast for espresso.  =
 Guess it was all those years of Caffe d'Arte Firenze blend before I =
discovered local roasters and home roasting.
On Apr 21, =
2007, at 5:36 PM, raymanowen =
wrote:
" There would be too many beans in there that you = definitely don't want to take dark." Totally agreed, so don't. = For any bean/roast that's good as a drip brew, try a shot in the = espresso maker. I'm just going from memory, but I think a = Guatemala HHT was just tapping foul shots in my press. I have no idea = what I was doing rong. An espresso grind and brew made me forget all = about any supposed rongness. If the gophers turn their nose up = at some Black Hole Roast, how's the espresso machine supposed to make it = drinkable? I did something rong, but it certainly wasn't a Black Hole = Roast. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! If we all = worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, = there would be little hope of advance.  = Orville Wright= = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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13) From: Eddie Dove
Jason,
As if you don't already have enough recommendations ... order 12
pounds of coffee and read below about the Harvey shipping option.
This will give you the most "bang for your buck."
Definitely get the Double 8 Pack Sampler so that Tom can take you for
a trip around the coffee world.  You can fill the balance (4 pounds)
with some other coffees; 4 pounds of one, two pounds of two or 1 pound
each of 4 different coffees.  I would definitely recommend the
Guatemala Fraijanes - Finca Agua Tibia; it does quite well at many
different levels of roast.  Never let the price of one of Tom's
coffees fool you; they are all outstanding, cream of the crop coffees.
The details of the Harvey shipping option are below ... hope this
helps and welcome aboard!
Eddie
About Harvey:
"Customer pickup - Hold for  Harvey ($9.00)" may only be used for
ordering up to 12 pounds of green coffee beans and cotton bags for
those green coffee beans.  It is a United States Postal Service (USPS)
Priority Mail shipping option  that Tom made available and disclosed
in confidence to this list; this shipping option does not support
package tracking.  There are no guarantees on timeliness of arrival,
but it usually arrives at my home on the coast of Mississippi in 2-3
days whereas UPS ground usually takes up to 10 days.
Tom's original email is below (the $8.50 is now $9.00).
----------  Begin Harvey Email Text  ----------
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee < tom >
Date: Jan 24, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: +"Hold for Harvey" aka USPS Flat Rate Box
To: homeroast list < homeroast>
Okay folks, this whole USPS Flat Rate Box has ruined my life. I spent
much of last week and the weekend too trying to figure out a way we
can offer it. It doesn't work. We simply can't offer what needs to be
a volume-based shipping calculation alongside a weight-based
calculation at this time.
So here is our fix ... a temporary "band-aid" approach.
First, I am only telling the list about this right now. It's an
"insider deal" at this point. If it works I will add an page with the
explaination and  "terms and conditions" listed below. Unfortunately,
if it doesn't work out for us, we are going to have to pull it.
The main way this is going to fail is if 1. customers choose it when
they are not eligible, that is, when they are buying something other
than green coffee, and more than 12 Lbs. and 2. when in generates
excessive emails for Maria and Derek and me, with people asking for
exceptions, additions, special circumstances.
Okay, here's the low-tech fix: Buy up to 12 lbs of green coffee ...
it can be 5 Lbs, it can be 8, it can be 10, whatever, but NEVER more
than 12 Lbs. It cannot be any other product except our cloth logo
bags matching the amounts of coffee purchased.
When you check out, chose the purposefully cryptic shipping option
:" Customer Pick Up - Hold for Harvey ($8.50)" We had to make the
option unattractive to those who don't know what it is, who haven't
read this email.
Why Harvey? Well, here's our USPS guy! Why $8.50? We have to add .80
for our USPS pickup fees and packing supplies.
Oh, duh ... this is only good for the U.S. and will work for Alaska,
Hawaii, PR, and FPO/APO too.
Remember, everything bad about the USPS still applies here- spotty
tracking, no insurance currently offered, occasional lost packages,
2-3 days is NOT a guarantee AT ALL - I get some Priority Mails in 2
days, some in 5 ... I have had ones that took 2 weeks!!! Nomatter
what you think about UPS, it's trackable, always insured up to $100,
and about 99% on time according to their time in transit map. If I
lived a few states away and UPS was a couple bucks more, I would
choose UPS personally!
SO this is out beta run of this, and I really hope it works. In a few
months I hope there will be a software upgrade for our system that
will implement it in a better way. Anyone who understands the rules
can try this out. I really hope this saves some money, and doesn't
create headaches for you all or for us.
Tom
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                     http://www.sweetmarias.com               Thompson Owen george
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14) From: miKe mcKoffee
FYI, us West Coasters don't need Harvey's services. UPS ground cheaper and
only takes 3 days to Washington State from order date, at least to southern
Washington. Just thought I'd mention it:-) 
But hey, I too had to wait longer shipping times when SM was still in Ohio!
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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15) From: Floyd Lozano
I think USPS may now offer insurance - at least, I order stuff from other
sources in flat rate box and insurance of like $1.35 for $50, slightly more
for $100, etc.  Probably just too much of a hassle to offer it here which is
ok with me - less time in USPS click to ship, more time cupping!
-F
my last Harvey order was made Tuesday afternoon, went Oakland to Boston and
arrived Friday afternoon.  That's some fast movin' Guat FAT!


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