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Topic: Aftermath of flooded kitchen (13 msgs / 686 lines)
1) From: Mike Chester
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Over the weekend, I finally got around to taking the cover off of my =
Vetrano to see what caused the leak.  As soon as I turned on the water =
supply, water began to leak out near the top of the boiler near the =
vacuum breaker.  I could not see exactly where it was coming from, but =
the boiler should not have filled to that level, which leads me to think =
that this time the boiler fill valve stuck in the open position rather =
than the closed.  It may have blown the safety overload on the boiler.  =
Anyway, it is still under warranty so today I sent it back to Chris' to =
be fully checked out.  Given the mess it created, I'm not sure if I will =
keep it when it is returned.  I have been very pleased with its =
operation and shot quality, but if I am always worrying about it, I =
won't be able to enjoy it.  I have thought about getting the Vivaldi II =
but that is more money and I really can't afford to upgrade again.  =
Also, it has a 53mm portafilter so none of my 58mm accessories will =
work.  I went as far as to check Les' site to see if he had any 53mm =
tampers in stock, but he does not show any.  I will see what they say =
about my machine.  When I get it back, I plan to put it near the sink =
and run a drain line from the drip tray along the counter into my sink.  =
That won't look great, but if I have the first problem again, it will =
help.  I have also thought about making a safety catch basin, similar to =
the pans that are sometimes put under a washing machine in case it =
overflows, but sized for the espresso machine.  Something like a sheet =
pan or a rectangular cake pan could be drilled on the edge and a hose =
fitting installed.  This could be routed into the sink also, in case of =
overflow.  I am not sure how this would look, but it would, at least, be =
safer.  Does anyone have any ideas how to make something like this that =
would look good?  
The beans that I roasted wet came out a bit flat, but they are still =
drinkable.  I think I was able to save most of them without a major =
problem.  I have only done two roasts on dried some of the dried beans =
and they came out normal for times and tastes.  Of course, I am now =
brewing in my TV drip machine.  As good as it works, it can't compare to =
the pressure extracted brews IMO.  
Mike Chester

2) From: Leo Zick
what kind of counters do you have?  consider drilling into them?
On 4/23/07, Mike Chester  wrote:
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3) From: Sandy Andina
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This is why I don't plumb my machine in.  As many shots as I pull and  
drinks that I make, it's no hassle to periodically fill the reservoir  
(once every couple of days) from a bottle of spring water.
On Apr 23, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Mike Chester wrote:
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Sandy Andina
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This is why I don't plumb my =
machine in.  As many shots as I pull and drinks that I make, it's no =
hassle to periodically fill the reservoir (once every couple of days) =
from a bottle of spring water. 
On Apr 23, 2007, at 4:13 =
PM, Mike Chester wrote:
Over the weekend, I finally got around to taking the cover off = of my Vetrano to see what caused the leak.  As soon as I turned on the = water supply, water began to leak out near the top of the boiler near = the vacuum breaker.  I could not see exactly where it was coming from, = but the boiler should not have filled to that level, which leads me to = think that this time the boiler fill valve stuck in the open position = rather than the closed.  It may have blown the safety overload on the = boiler.  Anyway, it is still under warranty so today I sent it back to = Chris' to be fully checked out.  Given the mess it created, I'm not = sure if I will keep it when it is returned.  I have been very pleased = with its operation and shot quality, but if I am always worrying about = it, I won't be able to enjoy it.  I have thought about getting the = Vivaldi II but that is more money and I really can't afford to upgrade = again.  Also, it has a 53mm portafilter so none of my 58mm accessories = will work.  I went as far as to check Les' site to see if he had any = 53mm tampers in stock, but he does not show any.  I will see what they = say about my machine.  When I get it back, I plan to put it near the = sink and run a drain line from the drip tray along the counter into my = sink.  That won't look great, but if I have the first problem again, = it will help.  I have also thought about making a safety catch basin, = similar to the pans that are sometimes put under a washing machine in = case it overflows, but sized for the espresso machine.  Something like = a sheet pan or a rectangular cake pan could be drilled on the edge and a = hose fitting installed.  This could be routed into the sink also, in = case of overflow.  I am not sure how this would look, but it would, at = least, be safer.  Does anyone have any ideas how to make something = like this that would look good? The beans that I roasted wet came out a bit flat, but they are = still drinkable.  I think I was able to save most of them without a = major problem.  I have only done two roasts on dried some of the dried = beans and they came out normal for times and tastes.  Of course, I am = now brewing in my TV drip machine.  As good as it works, it can't = compare to the pressure extracted brews = IMO.  Mike = Chester
= Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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4) From: Mike Chester
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They are laminate over wood, so they would be easy to drill, but I would =
prefer to not have holes in them.  I may do that, however, if the =
surface lines look too bad. 
Mike

5) From: Mike Chester
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It is ironic that the same reason that plumbed in is desirable, =
unlimited water supply, can be undesirable, unlimited mess if it fails.
Mike

6) From: Leo Zick
im plumbed in for water. i cant ever ever imagine otherwise, especially with
an HX dog of a machine. id love to get a drain line in, but it would be
tough to do on my machine's housing. i may try anyway, as long as i can find
a plug that will mate up nicely.
On 4/23/07, Mike Chester  wrote:
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7) From: miKe mcKoffee
Indeed sounds like failed auto-fill sensor or valve, either way of which of
course sucks! The potential for flooding with auto-fill/direct plumbed can
indeed be a challenge or scary. Fortunately only had a couple minor floods
in over 3 years. Once when Silvia's in the tank float valve stuck in the low
water position catching on the side of the tank and again this January with
the Bricoletta. But nothing nearly as serious as yours. The Bric's was a
mushroom nylon gasket slow leak that started after I had the mushroom out to
replace the lever seals. Thought I'd had the leak stopped, didn't leak while
warmed up! Found out the next morning it still leaked when coming up to temp
from cold (and kept leaking after warmed up), as in from cold by timer while
asleep. But it was a slow leak so no flooding beyond counter top. Didn't
have a spare gasket so flipped it over and cranked the nut really tight.
Warmed up with no leaks and just left the Bric' turned on for 2 months or so
until getting around to sourcing and replacing the gasket.
I've read the idea of a safety tray plumbed into drain before, really not a
bad safety idea. Guess took the head in the sand approach and have been
lucky. I'll have to revisit my flood fears and seriously revisit drilling
that larger hole in the counter for drip tray drain and add safety tray
drain. You'd have thunk those two minor floods would have been sufficient
warning...
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Mike Chester
	Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:13 PM
	Over the weekend, I finally got around to taking the cover off of my
Vetrano to see what caused the leak.  As soon as I turned on the water
supply, water began to leak out near the top of the boiler near the vacuum
breaker.  I could not see exactly where it was coming from, but the boiler
should not have filled to that level, which leads me to think that this time
the boiler fill valve stuck in the open position rather than the closed.  It
may have blown the safety overload on the boiler.  Anyway, it is still under
warranty so today I sent it back to Chris' to be fully checked out.  Given
the mess it created, I'm not sure if I will keep it when it is returned.  I
have been very pleased with its operation and shot quality, but if I am
always worrying about it, I won't be able to enjoy it.  I have thought about
getting the Vivaldi II but that is more money and I really can't afford to
upgrade again.  Also, it has a 53mm portafilter so none of my 58mm
accessories will work.  I went as far as to check Les' site to see if he had
any 53mm tampers in stock, but he does not show any.  I will see what they
say about my machine.  When I get it back, I plan to put it near the sink
and run a drain line from the drip tray along the counter into my sink.
That won't look great, but if I have the first problem again, it will help.
I have also thought about making a safety catch basin, similar to the pans
that are sometimes put under a washing machine in case it overflows, but
sized for the espresso machine.  Something like a sheet pan or a rectangular
cake pan could be drilled on the edge and a hose fitting installed.  This
could be routed into the sink also, in case of overflow.  I am not sure how
this would look, but it would, at least, be safer.  Does anyone have any
ideas how to make something like this that would look good?  
	The beans that I roasted wet came out a bit flat, but they are still
drinkable.  I think I was able to save most of them without a major problem.
I have only done two roasts on dried some of the dried beans and they came
out normal for times and tastes.  Of course, I am now brewing in my TV drip
machine.  As good as it works, it can't compare to the pressure extracted
brews IMO.  
	 
	Mike Chester

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
Part of espresso machine direct plumbing is esthetics and SO. (Not single
origin in this case though could apply:-) Plumbing running along countertops
usually won't make the WAF cut.
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9) From: jim gundlach
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On Apr 23, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Leo Zick wrote:
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We are re-doing our kitchen.  My coffee island will have the  
following sink, if the image will go through, with the espresso  
machine on the left draining tray.

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10) From: jim gundlach
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I forgot to note that it will be plumbed in.
      Pecan Jim
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On Apr 23, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Leo Zick = wrote:
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11) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
Can't you just build in a lip and a drain to the sink drain?
I cant imagine that it could be that difficult
Dennis

12) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Excellent solution and planning. Both functional for flood safety and =
esthetically pleasing.
 
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URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =
must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal =
enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who =
have gone before.
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From: homeroast-admin =
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of jim gundlach
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:48 PM
We are re-doing our kitchen.� My coffee island will have the =
following sink, if the image will go through, with the espresso machine =
on the left draining tray.
Pecan Jim

13) From: Leo Zick
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