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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_IDU627Interesting article, but I applaud starbucks for sticking by their decision. I wonder, if they decide to take the 'offending' cups away, if they'll then be accused of censorship and boycotted for that? sometimes you just gotta tell people to stfu. Aaron
I applaud Starbucks. I mean after all, aren't those who don't believe expected to act as if they don't believe? In the 17th century, Voltaire declared that he had finally proved that God does not exist. Interestingly, 100 years later his home was being used as a warehouse for the London Bible Society. I think God chuckled when he saw what Starbucks did with their cups. They are closer to him tha most - remember the Israelites were led by a cloud in the day, and a pillar of fire by night. Hmmm, wonder where that Starbucks signature flavor comes from! I think he chuckles when he sees the Darwin fish icons on the cars of some. And he wonders at a lot of our vain posturing as "strong" and "capable" people.... Certainly there's a lot we control. Then he shows up with power, with weather, with kindnes, and sometimes tragedy. Don't let the paper cup scare you - you can live through this. There will be tomorrow. And maybe even another cup... Brett Not shaking in my boots... On 5/10/07, Aaron wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
This is an outstanding example of why, if you are operating a business that interfaces with the general public and depends on public good will, the business should studiously avoid the subjects of politics or religion. Starbucks wil loose no matter what they do now. This is a text book example of a very bad business decision. On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:22:46 -0400, Aaron wrote: <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip>
Your point seems to be muddled in your faith.
You are right there rich.... no matter what they do, they are screwed...... the sharks smell blood and they are going to get the kill, no matter what.. Then again, most of the times, the sheeple will bleat and scream and wet themselves at the atrocities comitted against humanity by whoever... but will quickly forget all about it as soon as American idol airs again, or some other perceived crime against humanity happens somewhere else a week later. Im going to boycott your store.. yah ok whatever... and a week later you will huff and puff like a little baby pretending to be gangsta tuff, while you mewl to your friends on how sbucks is Soooo lucky you didn't do this, you were soooooo close to doing that....they are sooooo fortunate you decided to shop there again, but NEXT TIME..... uh huh, ok... I love it when a corporation quakes in it's boots because of a very few minority of crybabies. It will be interesting to see if starbucks sticks to it's guns all the way through this one or will they let their balls be cut off and cave in. I mean, they already made the decision... ride it out... hell if they do, Ill even buy something from them to show my support. That something wont be coffee though heh. Aaron
Hey Tom, I am not the least bit muddled on this... I wonder of how to read the instruction book. Best I can tell, the job of the "believer" is to share his faith when asked, you know - put it out in public. I don't read anywhere that it is to try to convince people to change coffee cups... Moreover, Starbucks has a campaign, called "The way I see it" which elicited many entries. These entries are "the way see it" ... Hmmm - so if they see it a certain way, why are we trying to censor coffee cups? I think what is on the cup, even the sentiment of the person who started the whole crisis, is reflective of what people believe. I believe I will have another cup of Colombia Cauca - la esmerelda... Brett On 5/10/07, Tom Ulmer wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
I may have been wrong about Voltaire. Sorry folks... It was the Geneva Bible Society, and was only 20 years... here's one of many links available online....http://www.ksfo560.com/article.asp?id98026&SPID071Looking for my Starbucks mug, and praying I will find it! Brett On 5/10/07, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
Starbucks might as well stay on the course they are on now. It is not like the *$ corporate political / religious philosophy was or is a big secret. On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:58:46 -0400, Aaron wrote: <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
Watch it brett, the thought police are on patrol, and they have your java in their sights!! They will eliminate the devils brew from the world one cup at a time!! durned, now where did I put that tinfoil hat at again?? Aaron
I would agree with your analysis of the potential benefit to *$ name recognition as a result of this flap except that there are other players in the retail speciallty coffee by the cup market now. Barns & Knoble has a coffee bar in evey store out here in fly-over country and a *$ stoe is a rare item. They sell coffee by the bag at SAMS club though. Overall I think it was a bad move on their (*$) part. I had heard that the NAVY had been PCd to death. I would have never lasted... On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:53:47 -0400, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69) wrote: <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip>
I guess I missed the share the faith question... but I guess if that's the way you see it.
yes the navy has been PC'd to death... its sickening.... and yes there are other so called specialty coffee shops out there but.... barnes and noble is a book store... that happens to sell coffee too now... starbucks is a coffee shop, always was a coffee shop, and well, is pretty much the name brand folks think of when they think coffee shop..... as in... my nose is runny, give me a kleened to blow it... umm no you want a tissue, kleenex is the brand name.... ok ill velcro this note up... no velcro is a brand name..... that kind of thing. starbucks IS coffee... or so they have marketed themselves as that. sams isnt the only place you can get a bag of $ coffee too, speaking of navy, I believe the Nex has sbucks as well for sale or the commisary does, but seperate from the millstone section... dennis is right, I havent seen his original e mail but i see the reply in anothers e mail... they are getting a ton of free pub off this 'controversy'. it's just like when disney comes out with a new cartoon, and someone sees 'something' in there, or whatever... sure enough it's all over the news, in the papers, you name it and everyone runs out and buys a copy of the movie to see it for themselves..... it's pure genius really, I mean for that kind of exposure, how many millions of dollars would they have to spend otherwise? Dumb as a fox this move was I bet. Aaron
--Apple-Mail-15-814490320 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Too bad their product sucks: the cups alone might have prompted me to patronize them more often. As it is, I only go when I'm on the road and I need a fix (and there isn't a *real* coffeehouse nearby). Last thing I think to do is read the cup. On May 10, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Aaron wrote: <Snip> Sandy Andina www.sandyandina.com www.myspace.com/sandyandina --Apple-Mail-15-814490320 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 Too bad their product sucks: the = cups alone might have prompted me to patronize them more often. As it = is, I only go when I'm on the road and I need a fix (and there isn't a = *real* coffeehouse nearby). Last thing I think to do is read the = cup. On May 10, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Aaron wrote:
--Apple-Mail-16-814736386 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hate to break this to you, but Barnes & Noble's coffee bars serve.......Starbucks. In fact, the latter makes a blend just for those bookstores. Now, Barns & Knoble might be another matter. On May 10, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Rich wrote: <Snip> Sandy Andina www.sandyandina.com www.myspace.com/sandyandina --Apple-Mail-16-814736386 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 Hate to break this to you, but = Barnes & Noble's coffee bars serve.......Starbucks. In fact, the = latter makes a blend just for those bookstores.Now, Barns & = Knoble might be another matter. On May 10, 2007, at 5:23 = PM, Rich wrote:
--Apple-Mail-17-814823384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Costco sells it along with its Kirkland and (in stores with roasters) Seattle Mountain brands. On May 10, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Aaron wrote: <Snip> Sandy Andina www.sandyandina.com www.myspace.com/sandyandina --Apple-Mail-17-814823384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset -ASCII Costco sells it along with its = Kirkland and (in stores with roasters) Seattle Mountain = brands. On May 10, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Aaron wrote:
The interesting thing is.. It seems there are many sub brands that are really a parent brand, just under their own name. generics if you must.... This recent dog food / cat food poisoning is a prime example... Look how many brand names of pet food were recalled because they all were from the same parent company that had the tainted stuff. With this, I wonder how many of the local 'gourmet' coffee's we see here and there are really a blend or specialty starbucks brand made up just for them, or just with their own label on it instead of the sb label? Aaron
Here in Iowa there is a large wholesale roaster in DesMoines that is not *$ with a new label. But I suspect you are right, a lot of the "private blends" are from the same stale vat of someones "house blend". The roaster in DesMoines does roast coffee for a lot of west coast coffee suppliers.... On Thu, 10 May 2007 19:15:54 -0400, Aaron wrote: <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
If you ever run across a Jittery Joe's, they do their own roasting here in Athens, GA. I seen it myself. The roaster is a very nice guy named Charlie who gives tours to schoolkids and shows them how to roast with a popcorn popper. On 5/10/07, Aaron wrote: <Snip> -- Larry J Never give a party if you will be the most interesting person there. - Mickey Friedman
Go to pike place market to see the original starbucks (with the orange sign) and notice how different the hair is on the mermaid. See how many chains Sbux has bought (Seattles best etc.) and a very nice place in Palo Alto CA (that serves good coffee). The quote thing is going to generate good pub for them. to keep this somewhat remotely related to home roasting, my sig other was at home while I was stuck in New Jersey for two weeks (with no home roast) and she was able to roast several batches in the Iroast and they came out great. Anyone got any good spots for coffee in Eatontown New Jersey other than Sbux or (god forbid) Dunkin Donuts? regards Brentley
STFU one of my favorites since the Navy is also gone the way of extreme PC-ness I mean who ever hear of a sailor that can't "use language to peel pain off a wall?" LOL As for *$'s does everyone realize how much free publicity they are getting out of this true they may lose a few customers but for them it is worth the risk of a few customers just to have there name out there even more... I say they will do ok with this after all this is not new for them they have "pushed the envelope" too many times to count. Intentional or not their name is getting spread like wildfire, weither or not you like it or not if you are talking about it then you have the greem mermaid on the brain... Very powerful Dennis
Folks, we don't realize what we have. Home roasted coffee, the best beans that can be found anywhere (Thanks to Tom and Maria), and a terrific community.... When you don't get the best, you settle for substitutes... SO, take it down a couple notches - Starbucks is pretty good. People think their ow thoughts and get them on the cups... A community forms... It's no wonder people like it - people want to belong. We get to be part of this amazing community. But we all know people who don't get home roasting. So they settle for whats way down the food chain... Don't deride them or despise them - we used to be there too.... Brett On 5/10/07, Brentley Beerline wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
Speaking of coffee roasting, wouldn't you like to find what >that company< does with roasts that don't eclipse Hell? -ro
it was spoken...Speaking of coffee roasting, wouldn't you like to find what >that company< does with roasts that don't eclipse Hell? -ro Isn't that the stuff that nasa grinds up to make carbon black with to protect the space shuttle from the 45000 degree heat of re entry? If you are talking about the beans that for some reason don't turn dark when roasted, Id think it'd be kind of like when we roast and you get a bad one occasionally in the pile. In that case, don't they have to dispose of those as nuclear waste and bury them in that mountain in nevada somewhere inside a 5000 pound lead container?? Actually, I kind of wondered that myself, if they do 'custom roasts' for their big customers, how come nobody has said, hey... instead of vienna +++ think you can do up a city to city + for me?? Perhaps the beans themselves are not of the greatest quality to begin with and the roast also is hiding some defect in the flavor of them. You roast it really really dark and you won't taste that little bite here or there.. Then again, overroasted coffee tends to fall into the category of 'it all taste the same'... so that also will keep product flavor consistancy over time as the beans change from year to year. Aaron
I refuse to drink coffee, especially espresso, from non-ceramic cups - with ,or without, corny "thoughts" on them... I wonder how many people will pour coffee on themselves as they read these pieces of wisdom :-) <Snip>
I was laughing so hard at the main post, I nearly missed the Punch Line at the end- "...Ill even buy something from them to show my support. That something wont be coffee though heh." I feel the same way. I'd like to show my support of their philosophy - for what goes On the cup, not In it! First, I gotta worry about getting something fresh in My cup. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! The longevity of a business that doesn't satisfy its clientele is nil.
Well, at least *$ was clever or smart enough to resist the temptation to put the quotations on the bottom of the cup...... On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:44:22 -0400, Angelo wrote: <Snip>
On Thursday 10 May 2007 14:40, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> I find the fish with the little crosses in their eyes much more amusing. The first (and second, and third) time I saw them the only thing I could think was "That's odd. Why would someone want to put a dead fish on their car?" I guess I was looking at it lopsided, but it really does look a lot like those cartoon dead fish with the X's for eyes..
--Apple-Mail-19-883966820 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I drive I-43 up along the WI coast fairly often; the sign for the exit for Cleveland (an exit north of Sheboygan) is for state highway XX. The XX is in a little white square, and it always reminds me of those cartoon dead fish. On May 11, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Marc Tooley wrote: <Snip> Sandy Andina www.sandyandina.com www.myspace.com/sandyandina --Apple-Mail-19-883966820 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 I drive I-43 up along the WI = coast fairly often; the sign for the exit for Cleveland (an exit north = of Sheboygan) is for state highway XX. The XX is in a little white = square, and it always reminds me of those cartoon dead = fish. On May 11, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Marc Tooley = wrote:
Sandy, that's funny that you say that. Ive been through wisconsin many a times in my past heading up to UP Michigan to do some deer hunting. It never ceased to amaze me that the counties are named like XX, county YZ, County HH etc etc..... what's up with that? couldn't they think of a name to call it?? Then again some of the folks up there when you ask them where they live go uhh. .. oh hell, I don't remember the name of the town, but it's the same name as the water tower there. I can't remember where but we used to always stop at one little shop on th way up there, I think the town was called norway, or oslo or something like that... way up in the boonies of wisconsin and they had some really good coffee. I remember we'd make it a special point to make a stop there for breakfast and coffee, and the waitress would give us a thermos full to take with us even... (the folks in the rural parts of wisconsin tend to be nice like that) and we'd say, wow this is good coffee...and she said something about they double brew it or something like that, never did ask what that meant and was hoping it didn't mean, we ran last nights through the percolator again to heat it up ... that brought back many fond memories just then..... Aaron