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1) From: Patrick S. Harper
OK, not that I don't believe everything I read on this list (after all it is
on the internet and you know all that stuff is true) but for all the new
people that might find this in the archives "the grinder really is
important"  it is really amazing the difference it has made with me precious
home roast that everyone teases me about until they try it then bugs me
about until I bring them more.  I think I am about to have to play drug
dealer at work and cut them off and watch them beg for more and make them
roast their own.  I really did not think the grinder would make that much
difference, now I can't wait for a drum roaster of some sort to see what
that does for me.  My wife also is anticipating me getting that as long as
it is the last damn thing I buy for coffee except beans (her words)
To summarize in the ohh so abundant words of this list "don't skimp on the
grinder" and thanks guys for helping make my coffee so much better than I
could have ever imagined and my life more fun with this list.

2) From: Brett Mason
Which grinder did you get?
Brett
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3) From: Patrick S. Harper
Maestro Plus
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4) From: Leo Zick
If you notice a difference with that one, wait till you get a real grinder! :p
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
For non-espresso duties the Maestro Plus IS a real grinder:-)
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6) From: Patrick S. Harper
I can't imagine any more of an even grind and I only drink drip so I don't
need a doser .
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7) From: Robert D. Crawford
"miKe mcKoffee"  writes:
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Is this grinder not sufficient for espresso?  I am about to get a
grinder and thought this one would be a decent grinder for everything
from Turkish to FP.  Is this not the case?  The reviews seem to be a
mixed bag but seem to mostly be positive.  While I know that this
grinder will not create as even a grind as a Mini or Rocky, it does seem
to fit in the budget I currently have.  I don't currently have an
espresso machine but plan on buying one within the next year.  Since the
grinder is more important, I felt I should get one first.
Thanks for any input,
rdc
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Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
  Why don't you pair `em up in threes? -Yogi Berra

8) From: Floyd Lozano
I'd go minimum rocky if you want a good espresso experience.  it's just way
too hit and miss with anything below that.  I used a capresso infinity for a
while, which is supposed to be a decent grinder, but it wasn't cutting it
for the espresso.  I am thinking of going back to it for drip just to avoid
the constant between-prep cleaning when i make espresso for the wife and
drip to take to work.  I seriously wish I hadn't spent the $90 on the
capresso in the first place (it was on sale, regularly like $140) and
instead applied that to the Rocky, which I ended up buying anyway.
-F
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
Floyd, you did much better learning curve grinder purchasing than me. The
total cost of the FOUR grinders in two years I purchased before Rocky would
have paid for a Rocky! Granted one of them I recouped partially via eBay but
only about $50 (Solis Mulino, model before Maestro), the other three
including Maestro gave away.
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	I'd go minimum rocky if you want a good espresso experience.  it's
just way too hit and miss with anything below that.  I used a capresso
infinity for a while, which is supposed to be a decent grinder, but it
wasn't cutting it for the espresso.  I am thinking of going back to it for
drip just to avoid the constant between-prep cleaning when i make espresso
for the wife and drip to take to work.  I seriously wish I hadn't spent the
$90 on the capresso in the first place (it was on sale, regularly like $140)
and instead applied that to the Rocky, which I ended up buying anyway. 
	-F
	
	On 5/15/07, Robert D. Crawford  wrote: 
		"miKe mcKoffee"  writes:
		
		> For non-espresso duties the Maestro Plus IS a real
grinder:-)
		
		Is this grinder not sufficient for espresso?  I am about to
get a
		grinder and thought this one would be a decent grinder for
everything
		from Turkish to FP.  Is this not the case?  The reviews seem
to be a 
		mixed bag but seem to mostly be positive.  While I know that
this
		grinder will not create as even a grind as a Mini or Rocky,
it does seem
		to fit in the budget I currently have.  I don't currently
have an
		espresso machine but plan on buying one within the next
year.  Since the
		grinder is more important, I felt I should get one first.
		
		Thanks for any input,
		rdc
		--
		Robert D. Crawford
robdcraw
		
		Why don't you pair `em up in threes? -Yogi Berra

10) From: stereoplegic
with a little hacking, and the Weiss distribution method (takes all of 
two seconds), it does just fine on my Gaggia.
mcKona wrote:
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11) From: Sandy Andina
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I use the Maestro Plus for all my home non-espresso needs (though  
sometimes for decaf I'll use a Bodum Antigua if there are beans being  
stored in the SP+: I usually keep a day's worth of beans in the  
hoppers of all my grinders except the Rocky Doserless, which I use  
for decaf espresso, a bean I use more and more seldom these days as I  
find espresso doesn't keep me awake any more).  Wish they made a  
smaller travel model that'll fit easily in a carryon, garment bag or  
tote--on the road I am relegated to either a Zass Turkish or Traveler  
II hand-cranked model (laborious and slow) or a Starbucks whirly if  
my traveling companions want coffee in quantity.
On May 15, 2007, at 8:51 AM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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I use the Maestro Plus for all =
my home non-espresso needs (though sometimes for decaf I'll use a Bodum =
Antigua if there are beans being stored in the SP+: I usually keep a =
day's worth of beans in the hoppers of all my grinders except the Rocky =
Doserless, which I use for decaf espresso, a bean I use more and more =
seldom these days as I find espresso doesn't keep me awake any more).  =
Wish they made a smaller travel model that'll fit easily in a carryon, =
garment bag or tote--on the road I am relegated to either a Zass Turkish =
or Traveler II hand-cranked model (laborious and slow) or a Starbucks =
whirly if my traveling companions want coffee in =
quantity.
On May 15, 2007, at 8:51 AM, miKe mcKoffee =
wrote:
For non-espresso duties the = Maestro Plus IS a real grinder:-)Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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12) From: Patrick S. Harper
Sounds like you have done a great recruiting job out there.  But nothing
like good coffee to get a Soldier/Sailor motivated.  Hard to believe I would
be retired if I stayed in.
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13) From: Sandy Andina
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When I got my Silvia and the Pavoni PGB began to misbehave (base  
warped, mostly scattering grounds all over the place), I wanted a  
good espresso grinder I could  purchase locally and bring home the  
same day. (I was using a Starbucks Barista, which was a rebadged  
Solis, for drip--its predecessor, a Bodum Antigua which replaced a  
dead Krups burr mill, was relegated to decaf duty).  I did some  
research on CoffeeGeek and asked around online and found that  
Intelligentsia had the SM+ in stock. I brought it home. For three  
months until I got an irresistible deal from a fellow CG member on a  
gently used Rocky Doserless, the SM+ was my espresso grinder. I liked  
the fact that it dispensed right into the portafilter, and the grind  
was very even, better than the Pavoni with less static (the Pavoni's  
advantage was that it was stepless). But it still made more static  
than I liked.  For a newbie who can't afford a $300 Rocky, it's quite  
adequate for espresso though probably not capable of a God shot.   In  
case you're wondering, yeah, I have FOUR grinders on the counter: SM+  
for drip/press/Aero, Bodum Antigua for decaf, Mazzer Mini for  
espresso and Rocky doserless for decaf espresso. (I got the latter  
two gently used at very deep discounts).
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When I got my Silvia and the =
Pavoni PGB began to misbehave (base warped, mostly scattering grounds =
all over the place), I wanted a good espresso grinder I could  =
purchase locally and bring home the same day. (I was using a Starbucks =
Barista, which was a rebadged Solis, for drip--its predecessor, a Bodum =
Antigua which replaced a dead Krups burr mill, was relegated to decaf =
duty).  I did some research on CoffeeGeek and asked around online and =
found that Intelligentsia had the SM+ in stock. I brought it home. For =
three months until I got an irresistible deal from a fellow CG member on =
a gently used Rocky Doserless, the SM+ was my espresso grinder. I liked =
the fact that it dispensed right into the portafilter, and the grind was =
very even, better than the Pavoni with less static (the Pavoni's =
advantage was that it was stepless). But it still made more static than =
I liked.  For a newbie who can't afford a $300 Rocky, it's quite =
adequate for espresso though probably not capable of a God shot.   In =
case you're wondering, yeah, I have FOUR grinders on the counter: SM+ =
for drip/press/Aero, Bodum Antigua for decaf, Mazzer Mini for espresso =
and Rocky doserless for decaf espresso. (I got the latter two gently =
used at very deep discounts). 
On May 15, 2007, at 9:19 =
AM, Robert D. Crawford wrote:

Is this grinder not = sufficient for espresso?  = I am about to get a

grinder and thought this one would be a decent grinder for = everything

from = Turkish to FP.  Is this = not the case?

Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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14) From: Sandy Andina
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I don't rock so much as I am really a pack rat!
On May 15, 2007, at 7:39 PM, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69) wrote:
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I don't rock so much as I am =
really a pack rat!
On May 15, 2007, at 7:39 PM, True, =
Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69) wrote:
= Oh you so Rock!!!!! =   I have 2 Zass(knee and a 151)/ a Bodum Burr/ and a *$ Barista = but my collection dosen't = hold a candle to yours!     Dennis     Sandy wrote:   "I have FOUR grinders on the = counter"   =   Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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15) From: Brett Mason
My current collection is ...
 Melitta Whirley-Blade Grinder
 Zassenhaus 151
 Zassenhaus 495
  Armin Trosser (like my Z151)
 Rocky Doserless
 Cory Grindmaster
The Cory does my daily grind - enough for a drip pot in 8 seconds...  But
then, they always knew coffee....
Brett
  Zassman
On 5/15/07, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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16) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
Speaking of grinders 4 of the 5 known Zassenhaus grinders in Lisbon are
now going home on the IKE....between me and my "following" we managed to
get all but one of them...
The really interesting thing is that the shopkeepers at the 2 different
stores were shocked we wanted to buy them because apperently they have
just "been sitting around in displays for years" and no one semmed to
even know more than they are just another grinder... Mine was sitting
behind a chrome bodum blade grinder
I so proud of my following!!! 3 people other than myself all have Zass'
onboard!!!
Dennis
AKA
FC1(SW/AW) Dennis W. True
Safety Dept
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)
FPO AE 09532-2830
HG/DB and Z&D roasting in the Atlantic!!!!
 "On station and on point 9 and counting down..." 
OK, not that I don't believe everything I read on this list (after all
it is on the internet and you know all that stuff is true) but for all
the new people that might find this in the archives "the grinder really
is important"  it is really amazing the difference it has made with me
precious home roast that everyone teases me about until they try it then
bugs me about until I bring them more.  I think I am about to have to
play drug dealer at work and cut them off and watch them beg for more
and make them roast their own.  I really did not think the grinder would
make that much difference, now I can't wait for a drum roaster of some
sort to see what that does for me.  My wife also is anticipating me
getting that as long as it is the last damn thing I buy for coffee
except beans (her words)
To summarize in the ohh so abundant words of this list "don't skimp on
the grinder" and thanks guys for helping make my coffee so much better
than I could have ever imagined and my life more fun with this list.

17) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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Oh you so Rock!!!!!
 
I have 2 Zass(knee and a 151)/ a Bodum Burr/ and a *$ Barista 
but my collection dosen't hold a candle to yours!
 
 
Dennis
 
 
Sandy wrote:
 
"I have FOUR grinders on the counter"
 
 

18) From: Leo Zick
im sure the solis is sufficient for brewed coffee.  actually, i just bought
my mother a cuisinart burr (dbg6?) grinder, an upgrade from a whirly blade.
not only did i know (and expect) a difference, she REALLY noticed one, and
has much more interesting comments about my homeroast now..
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19) From: Larry Johnson
I have a Solis Maestro (no +) and have never ground my homeroast in anything
else, so I have nothing to compare it to. I haven't gone over to the dark
side (sounds expensive to me) so I think I'm ok. I only brew drip (Presto
Scandi w/SG filter), pour over (several methods, all with SG filters), Bodum
press pot, Bialetti Moka pot, and Aeropress. Geez, I don't have *room* for
an espresso maker.
I do have a friend from Germany who's back home at the moment and who
promised to bring me a Zass back, hopefully a knee mill.
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Larry J
Never give a party if you will be the most interesting person there.  -
Mickey Friedman

20) From: Tom Ulmer
Hmm... I give up. Whose reality is this?

21) From: Brett Mason
OK, let's rephrase....
For  people, the grinder can help.
For  people, the grinder makes a big difference.
For  people, the grinder is the difference between excellent
nectar and horrid swill.
But not for you.
Whose reality is it?  I'll endorse it as  reality...
Brett
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22) From: Patrick S. Harper
Mine I guess, the reality in my small portion of the earth in north Texas is
that it makes a lot better coffee then the last cheapo grinder I had.
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23) From: Tom Ulmer
Your non-fictional, completely unembellished account of your coffee mill(s)
is the sum of many coffee drinkers? Maybe it is accountable by both some and
many as a coffee drinker? Perhaps many share the accounts of some coffee
drinkers?
More definitively, what is the bare naked reality of the grind and how does
it relate to the quality of the cup?

24) From: miKe mcKoffee
Was that Brett bait or a serious question?
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URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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25) From: Tom Ulmer
It was both really. I thought it might be interesting to further the
conversation beyond you won't be happy unless...
The things that make a coffee mill workable for each individual are as
varied as the group. For instance, I look for quiet, unassuming, =
well-built,
as well as easy to clean, source parts, and to look at. Twisting out =
grinds
for the morning cup is not appealing for me. The quality of the cup =
however
is paramount and I presume that I would probably labor over a mortar and
pestle if that is what is necessary. Fortunately there are labor saving
devices that do a fine job.
Our host suggests grinding as fine as possible for the best results. I =
do
not share this opinion. I am of a mind that the best press pot comes =
from
low r.p.m. grinder in the range of medium to medium coarse grind. There =
are
coffees that I prefer prepared as espresso with a coarser grind. I use a
lever machine in preparation and do not have to grind and tamp for a =
single
pressure extraction.
So does one look for a mill that could effectively turn the beans to =
perfect
dust particles in 2 milliseconds? Is Italian manufacturing and design
superior?  What burr design is best? Why does the hopper really matter? =
Do
you dose or not?  Does green match your kitchen décor?

26) From: Brett Mason
Hi Tom,
Since I was included in the retort....
Grinding  is the precise cutting of roasted coffee beans, to achiev=
e
the purest coffee extraction, without the fine powder that makes the nectar
turn into bitter swill.
The Zasses I own do a great job of this.
The Trosser does as well.
The Cory grinder I had did very well, but was not very well suited for
espresso - inconsistent at the fine level.
The Rocky I won does not doze.  Or Dose.  Why save ground coffee just to go
stale and need cleaning?  I don't like how my Rocky does for presspot - I
use a Zass / trosser /' Cory Grindmaster instead.
The Cory Grindmaster does great for coarse to medium grind - although I
never change it.  I keep it at coarse for drip and presspot.
Why in God's name would anyone grind fine for a presspot?  Beats the heck
out of me.  Anyone who has had my presspot can vouch for its wonderful swee=
t
flavor.
I concur on the problems with a manual grinder.  It's a pain to have to
spend half a minute grinding my coffee.  I also recognize the difficulty
with the Rocky - I have to lift that round lid, and then replace it
afterward.  Oh, such labor!  And then the Grindmaster - has a hinged lid
that must be elevated, and later returned to its original position.  Even
the other grinders you have mentioned must be manipulated.  I can see why
you gravitate to Taster's Choice, supertaster you must be!  Even then, the
lid must be opened in counterclockwise fashion.
Oh, the pain!
Brett
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27) From: Tom Ulmer
Well hello Brett-
It's nice of you to finally come out to play. You didn't address Italian
engineering or kitchen décor but you did make an effort - one I'd put =
on the
same magnitude as trying to keep the bath robe together when bending =
over to
get the morning paper off the lawn. 
You missed the whole grab for me however on the Taster's Choice. The =
screw
top was a never mind.  The real allure for me was the commercials =
suggesting
that mere possession would somehow lead to a love connection. 
I can see it now... the mysterious neighbor saunters to the door and =
wonders
out loud "Can you put that Zass onto some home roast and we'll brew up
something strong and hot? The C mill is just leaving me short. "
Cheers,

28) From: Brett Mason
My kitchen decor is a broken UNIC Phoenix espresso machine with two other
UNIC machines in parts next to it...  I got bored with the regular and
frequent swap of parts trying to make my HX machine work ...  My wife
doesn't care for this decor method, but you know, I am grouchy, and what
with my bathrobe, I am doing another lap across the front yard - to heck
with the neighbors...
Italian engineering?  Well, worked for my Rocky and my Silvia....
My car is German though...
Brett
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29) From: Larry Johnson
Dang. I've got 10 devices to brew in and 1 grinder. Where did I go wrong?
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30) From: Brett Mason
Just depends on two items:
  your one grinder... and
  your enjoyment of your coffee...
Mine is a combination of hobby and home production..  I moved beyond
-simple need-  a while ago...
Brett
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31) From: Leo Zick
regardless of its engineering, the grinder plays an important role.  #2
below fresh beans.  i fail to see why the sourcing of parts and ease that i=
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comes apart has an effect on the original statement - the grinder is
important.
too much bait on this list lately. everyone is better than the other.
my grinder is easier to use
my grinder is less work
my grinder shines more
sheesh.
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32) From: Ross
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Larry,
Same here, in my case I have one modified doser Rocky, it does all my =
grinding and gives me what I dial up every time.  I do need a travel =
grinder though and Rocky will not do that for sure.  Anyone have a =
recommendation for a  small, light weight travel grinder?
Ross

33) From: Sandy Andina
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Lightweight?  The Traveller II burr grinder ($25 at REI). Plastic,  
holds about as much as a Zass Turkish and much lighter weight. Decent  
burr set.  Only problem is the static--and I understand if you line  
the catch bin with foil (or spread out tissues or a towel underneath  
when you're about to empty the grounds) that'll take care of it.   
Used one for months, but I do like the Zass better, despite the  
latter weighing twice as much. Both are quite small; the Traveler II  
lets you store the crank inside the unit when not in use.
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Lightweight?  The Traveller II =
burr grinder ($25 at REI). Plastic, holds about as much as a Zass =
Turkish and much lighter weight. Decent burr set.  Only problem is the =
static--and I understand if you line the catch bin with foil (or spread =
out tissues or a towel underneath when you're about to empty the =
grounds) that'll take care of it.  Used one for months, but I do like =
the Zass better, despite the latter weighing twice as much. Both are =
quite small; the Traveler II lets you store the crank inside the unit =
when not in use.
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34) From: Larry English
I've been using the Traveller II for a few months and am happy with it.
Packed it in a carry-on once and it got some attention by the xray folks at
check-in - I told them "coffee grinder" and when they checked it, everyone
got a chuckle - guess they don't see many coffee grinders at the airport.
But it takes a while to grind enough for two, especially for the Aeropress.
For just me, grinding 10 grams for a cup takes about as long as the
microwave or Mini-Ibis takes to boil the water. I doubt that the Zass
Turkish is enough better to justify both cost and weight, for my purposes
anyway.
Larry
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35) From: raymanowen
"...the grind and how does it relate to the quality of the cup?"
1:1 -ro
Keep your eyes peeled for your next grinder. You can Always upgrade the
grinder, and you'll appreciate it.
On 5/16/07, Tom Ulmer  wrote:
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36) From: Steven Van Dyke
Traveller is what I use for my travel grinders.  Want to get a Zass 
for my 'good' travel kit, but until I can....
The easy trick for the static is just to breath.
Specifically, take the bottom off and 'huff' into it and up the 
grinder body.  The goal is to increase the humidity long enough to 
get the beans ground and off to your brewer.
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37) From: Alchemist John
Where have you seen that?  I can't believe Tom would suggest a fine 
grind for a press pot.  Link please?
At 19:36 5/16/2007, you wrote:
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38) From: Jared Andersson
I remember reading this also but I also remember it stating that he prefers
to grind on the finer side of each method.  So a french press would still be
coarse but slightly finer with slightly less extraction time.   Jared
On 5/17/07, Alchemist John  wrote:
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39) From: miKe mcKoffee
Fine is relative, Tom does suggest "You want a grind that is as fine as
possible without letting sediment past the screen. This usually works out to
be a tad coarser than filter-drip grind." seehttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee">http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.frenchpress.shtmlPacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
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40) From: Tom Ulmer
I agree this seems to be a bit out of context. 
What was actually stated was "Some comments of fineness: Most folks grind
coffee too coarse. In general, you want to grind as fine as possible without
allowing sediment through your filter, or clogging up your espresso machine
portafilter."
The statement is subjective and in keeping with that spirit I am merely
expressing an opinion that the coarser works for me both in a press and for
espresso.


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