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Topic: Livia 90? (6 msgs / 247 lines)
1) From: Rob Shaffer
I'm finally going to make the jump to a new espresso machine.  I've been
using my Solis Master 5000 SuperAuto for the past 5 years.  It is now time
to get more hands on!  I've decided to get a Macap M4 doserless grinder.
That leaves me with about $1000 left in the budget for the machine.  I can
get a factory renewed Livia 90 from Pasquini here in LA for about that
price.  For the $1000 category, the Livia 90 seems to be the best bang for
the buck, but I could be wrong.  Looking for opinions on the Livia 90 or
other machines that might be a better purchase in that price range.  Thanks
for any help.  Rob

2) From: miKe mcKoffee
In the ~$1k HX price range (new) that about narrows it down to the Quick
Mill Anita, Isomac Tea II or (IMO lower quality build & iffy vendor support)
Expobar line. Tough call Livia 90 versus E61 group HX especially since have
no experience with Livia (or plastic bodied cousin Bezzera). I'd also call
online vendors and check on any buyer's remorse or demo units that might be
available. Now and then some great deals can be found. Occasionally even
exceptional deals like 18 months ago then $1500 MSRP now $1700 MSRP rotary
Bricoletta for only 8 C-Notes:-) Granted that extreme a deal is rare, but
substantially better than on the web prices not uncommon if making the phone
calls.
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	I'm finally going to make the jump to a new espresso machine.  I've
been using my Solis Master 5000 SuperAuto for the past 5 years.  It is now
time to get more hands on!  I've decided to get a Macap M4 doserless
grinder.  That leaves me with about $1000 left in the budget for the
machine.  I can get a factory renewed Livia 90 from Pasquini here in LA for
about that price.  For the $1000 category, the Livia 90 seems to be the best
bang for the buck, but I could be wrong.  Looking for opinions on the Livia
90 or other machines that might be a better purchase in that price range.
Thanks for any help.  Rob

3) From: Sandy Andina
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That's what I use--though I never sold my Silvia and use her and  
Rocky when I go to friends' parties (and pressed her into service  
when Livia had a leaky pressurestat). I have the 90A--the automatic  
feature is nice when my grind and bean freshness are in the sweet  
spot, but I often just manually override it when the shot begins to  
blond before it stops dripping or if it is unusually slow due to  
finer grind.  I like the big tank and boiler (especially the auto- 
fill).  The one bummer about it is that it is hard to pull latte-art- 
quality microfoam even with an aftermarket 2-hole tip and darn near  
impossible with the supplied 4-hole and plastic turbo froth tips--it  
is an extremely powerful steamer, and I find that with a 2-hole tip  
and going by feel rather than by thermometer, I can tame the power  
enough to make slightly thicker but still fine-textured and sweet  
froth.  The lack of an e61 group doesn't bother me; if I want to  
preinfuse, I hit the brew button for a few seconds and turn it off.   
And if you get the grind, dose and tamp right (and the beans are in  
the sweet spot), you can get some extremely good shots consistently.   
Finally, the separate hot water tap is great--I use it for everything  
from preheating cups to Americanos, Aeropress, French press and  
single-cup pourover, tea, hot chocolate and even instant soup.
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That's what I use--though I =
never sold my Silvia and use her and Rocky when I go to friends' parties =
(and pressed her into service when Livia had a leaky pressurestat). I =
have the 90A--the automatic feature is nice when my grind and bean =
freshness are in the sweet spot, but I often just manually override it =
when the shot begins to blond before it stops dripping or if it is =
unusually slow due to finer grind.  I like the big tank and boiler =
(especially the auto-fill).  The one bummer about it is that it is =
hard to pull latte-art-quality microfoam even with an aftermarket 2-hole =
tip and darn near impossible with the supplied 4-hole and plastic turbo =
froth tips--it is an extremely powerful steamer, and I find that with a =
2-hole tip and going by feel rather than by thermometer, I can tame the =
power enough to make slightly thicker but still fine-textured and sweet =
froth.  The lack of an e61 group doesn't bother me; if I want to =
preinfuse, I hit the brew button for a few seconds and turn it off.  =
And if you get the grind, dose and tamp right (and the beans are in the =
sweet spot), you can get some extremely good shots consistently.  =
Finally, the separate hot water tap is great--I use it for everything =
from preheating cups to Americanos, Aeropress, French press and =
single-cup pourover, tea, hot chocolate and even instant =
soup.
On May 18, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Rob Shaffer =
wrote:
I'm finally going to make the jump to a new espresso = machine.  I've been using my Solis Master 5000 SuperAuto for the past = 5 years.  It is now time to get more hands on!  I've decided to get = a Macap M4 doserless grinder.  That leaves me with about $1000 left in = the budget for the machine.  I can get a factory renewed Livia 90 from = Pasquini here in LA for about that price.  For the $1000 category, the = Livia 90 seems to be the best bang for the buck, but I could be wrong.  = Looking for opinions on the Livia 90 or other machines that might be a = better purchase in that price range.  Thanks for any help.  Rob = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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4) From: Roger Lebow
Rob,
Count me as a satisfied Livia 90 user (and I got MINE from Pasquini on =
Olympic too--because, for the record, SM had discontinued sales of this =
machine!!!).
I had done a lot of research before buying the Livia. My other primary =
contenders were the Andreja Premium (a somewhat more expensive E61 
alternative), as well as the Elektra Microcasa a Leva (a machine I did =
end up getting recently--but therein hangs another long tale). I think =
the Livia is just a superior machine, and has performed extremely 
reliably. Another thing you will want to consider: since you're in the =
LA area, the Pasquinis are right here, and if anything goes amiss I (as =
a bona-fide non-wirehead) am glad I can drop it off in their service 
department.
One thing I like about the Livia is that it's a pretty compact machine, =
much smaller than the Andreja (we have a small Craftsman kitchen with 
limited counter space, so that's an enticement). You can leave it on 
all day, if you're going to be home and pulling shots over some hours. =
The only faulty design element I can cite is the ridiculously small 
drip tray; you just need to empty it frequently--you get used to it. 
One reason I got the Livia is that a good friend has had his for years =
(and for 20 years before that he had the model that preceded the 
Livia), and he reported they are built to last, with daily use.
In short, once you've figured out the grind/tamp stuff for the machine =
(and you're going to get a great grinder; I also have a Macap), you're =
set!
Roger in Sierra Madre
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5) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Mike's right, but then again you are in town and could receive 
servicing easily. The Livia 90 is just a tad behind the times with 
some other machines, and maybe it doesn't make people's top 10 lists, 
but it is proven, solid, and should not disappoint. If I could sell 
them for $1000, I would! The fact that we probably lost money on 
every machine we sold for 1400 was my reason for dropping it, no 
complaints about the machine.
Tom
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6) From: Rob Shaffer
Wow, thanks for all the helpful replies.  $1000 seems to be a tough price
point.  If you jump up to $1600 then choices are much more plentiful.  I
will take Mike's advice and make some calls to see if any great deals exist
out there.  If no, I'll go to Pasquini next week and pick up the Livia.
Thanks again to all.
On 5/18/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
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