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Topic: Behmor 1600 (69 msgs / 2138 lines)
1) From: Bryan Wray
Sorry if this has already been discussed and I just missed it (as stated in previous email... I'm new to the list).  But I was wondering what people's opinion (mainly Tom's) on the new Behmor roaster were.  It seems like it has some major potential.  Has anyone gotten to test one?  Note: They aren't actually on the market yet.
Here is the thread from CG on the roaster:http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/291225I think Mark also talks about the roaster in one of his SCAA Road Reports (though I couldn't find which one.)
-Bry
Bryan Wray
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2) From: Patrick S. Harper
ad nauseum

3) From: Larry Johnson
If you go tohttp://www.themeyers.org(the homeroast digest archives) and
search "smokeless",  the first thread is "1 sub $500 smokeless home
roaster". I think that's the thread you're looking for. And that's all I
know about the roaster, BTW.
On 5/21/07, Bryan Wray  wrote:
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4) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
We went over this a bit, but since nobody but a handful have used it, 
and because there is not a final production version of the machine to 
test, it is limited what we can discuss. As everyone knows it's 
basically affiliated with Ronco. It seems like Joe Behm was a bit coy 
about this but some alt.coffee people looked up his other patents and 
they are basically in line with Ronco. At SCAA, he stood next to a 
Ronco suit in his booth.
I am just not sure what to think, frankly. I have problems with hype, 
because hype causes me problems. An example: "smoke free". This 
machine is NOT smoke free - roast 1/2 to 1 Lb of coffee a bit into 
2nd crack and there is an abundance of smoke. In fact, I don't see 
that the behmor, roasting 1/2 lb to fc+ is any less smokey than the 
hottop or genecafe. If someone insists they are offering a smoke free 
machine, no matter how clearly I state the opposite on our web page, 
I will get complaints. I just don't understand it, because the 
machine does have one key feature: it DOES roast 1 lb of coffee in a 
reasonable amount of time. Now, I have problems with the lighting in 
the roaster - impossible to determine roast color - and I dislike the 
"deep fry basket" material of the drum - flimsy. Loading the drum is 
clumsy. The machine I have is unappealing and ugly (but the chassis 
is very sturdy), bulky, and i dislike the name (but no more than the 
genecafe). The controls seem reasonably good. The big question mark 
here is , what are Ronco's intentions? Some people have commented 
positively, because this means easy returns. parts and repair. I am 
not so sure. The home roast thing is not so easy for a big company; 
remember the West Bend roaster? Probably not. They pulled the plug on 
that so quick that I think less than 50 of them actually exist 
(future collectable?) I bought 4 and sent them right back (that was 
like 1999 or so) . Anyway, I can't imagine them selling this via 
their infomercial - roasting is smokey, and a bit unsafe. I mean, I 
roasted 1 lb of Yemen Haimi and a good 1/8 to 1/4 pound fell through 
the drum- some beans carbonized below. Gravity is the chaff 
collecting mechanism here. This can lead to problems if chaff gets 
back around the quartz bulbs. So the proprietor here is a question 
mark, Ronco is a question mark, and what the final machine will 
actually be is in doubt. Then again, this is the only new home 
roaster on the horizon, and the price sounds reasonable ($300). The 
question I am sure a few would like answered: should you wait for it? 
Well, I just don't know, unfortunately. But I am going to try to keep 
you all up to date so you can make that decision for yourself ... if 
I get the next pre-production model (was supposed to come before 
scaa, 2 weeks ago), i will let you know, and report any changes. If I 
get a clearer impression of the potential here, I will let you know 
via the list.
Tom
Sorry if this has already been discussed and I just missed it (as 
stated in previous email... I'm new to the list).  But I was 
wondering what people's opinion (mainly Tom's) on the new Behmor 
roaster were.  It seems like it has some major potential.  Has anyone 
gotten to test one?  Note: They aren't actually on the market yet.
Here is the thread from CG on the roaster:http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/291225I think Mark also talks about the roaster in one of his SCAA Road 
Reports (though I couldn't find which one.)
-Bry
Bryan Wray
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caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens.
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
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I've been in communication with Joe. There's a decent chance he and/or one
of the machines will be at PNWG V next month for a bunch of Lister's to
check out. He doesn't know for sure if his overseeing production launch
duties in China will allow him the time or not yet. He also said the two
"final spec'd" units are going to China to be used as the initial production
control units but some unit may be able to make it.
 
Personally I couldn't care less if it's not smoke free, but agree it should
not be marketed as smoke free if it can not live up to the marketing. I'm
extrememly interested to see how an "off the shelf $300 1# roaster",
supposedly fairly even novice user friendly, performs over a wide range of
beans. The truth will be in the cup. Tom's comment about small beans falling
through the drum is not encouraging however. Hopefully Tom's early prototype
drum is not indicative of what will be in the final product.
 
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Bryan Wray
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:55 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Behmor 1600
Sorry if this has already been discussed and I just missed it (as stated in
previous email... I'm new to the list).  But I was wondering what people's
opinion (mainly Tom's) on the new Behmor roaster were.  It seems like it has
some major potential.  Has anyone gotten to test one?  Note: They aren't
actually on the market yet.
Here is the thread from CG on the roaster:http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/291225I think Mark also talks about the roaster in one of his SCAA Road Reports
(though I couldn't find which one.)
-Bry
Bryan Wray
"It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine
delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens.  
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6) From: Bryan Wray
I heard that they have a new screen for smaller beans, although now as I am browsing threads and articles that I have just read I cannot find where... 
Bryan Wray
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7) From: Jared Andersson
Byan thanks for bringing this up again.  I must have missed it the first
time.  I have been a part of this list for years and encourage new posters
to keep bringing up new topics as apposed to just going to the archives.  I
always seem to learn something new from the new way of asking the same
questions and think challenging our old beliefs is refreshing.  Not to
mention it gives medium aged posters a chance to become the experts when
they answer questions.  Tom, Thanks for not  buying into hype while still
being open minded about new products.  It really builds trust as a
consumer.  Love fest complete.  Jared
On 5/21/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
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8) From: Alchemist John
That would be nice.  A test drive as opposed to speculation is the 
way to go.  I can toss a few extra bits of info that I have gleaned 
from conversations with Joe and CG.
It has five pre-programmed profiles.  The fastest will do a 1 lb in 
20 minutes, full power.
The user can alter the basic length of the roast and stop whenever.
There are not user entered profiles.
The drum rotates at 7.5 rpm during roast, 15 during cooling.
I recall a note that the pre-production test models were not very 
smoke free.  From the SCAA report, it was roasting throughout the day 
with no noticeable smoke.
Cooling is 10 minutes in the drum, but the user can remove (with 
smoke?) the beans for external cooling whenever they wish.
At 18:24 5/21/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
Also cooling time is reported to drop substantially in drum to 5 minutes or
less if opening the door for cooling cycle, and with corresponding more
smoke escaping during initial cooling from door being open.
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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10) From: Alchemist John
i.e. if you tweak with the design.  Hrm, we would never do that to a roaster ;)
I wonder what the profiles do if you preheat (start an empty roast), 
stop at 5 minutes and immediately load a roast....I always preheat my 
drum roaster.
20 minutes MAY taste good, but I dislike the lack of ability to have 
a 12 minute roast should I want it.
At 05:54 5/22/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

11) From: John Moody
Modifying the profile of a roaster that does not exist yet?  Let's not get
ahead of things on this one...... :)
John

12) From: Bryan Wray
Does it work without the drum in there?  You could start it up and then place a drum that was already filled with beans into the roaster and close the door...?   I ask this then realize that no one has tried this to know if it would work w/o the drum in there... still...
I don't think I will be the very first one to buy one of these, but I am pretty sure that I will... they are going to be released at just around the time (Late June I believe) that I will be able to hear about some for the quirks for a month or so and then have money for my first actual roaster (popper at the moment).
-Bry
Bryan Wray
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13) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Joe mentioned the faster cooling method of opening the door, I believe he
said it'll even be in the manual...
 
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Agreed, always pre-heat before 1st roast of a session. (Even though not
using a drum but Rosto) How else would successive roasts in the session be
consistent!;-) Good profile control with full pound is also why I wonder how
well it'll handle increased voltages.
Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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14) From: raymanowen
I can't say "Makes a Great Gift" because there is no long term experience
with the machine. Ronco, yes- not Behm's thoughtful controls. -ro
On 5/22/07, Bryan Wray  wrote:
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15) From: Edward Bourgeois
Many coffee consumers are used to the taste of fairly dark roasted
coffee thanks to a number of inc.'s. Rolling second and beyond. A city
or c+ just wont taste like much to these drinkers.  1lb roasted to
that level produces a lot of smoke period. 1lb roasted to that level
is also very hot (451f is flash point) and is hard to stop quickly.

16) From: John David Huddle
Tom said:
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Yep, I remember it the 'wb' Roaster.   In fact, I have TWO of them and use 
both several times a week, since I've worn out a few Hearthware units, an 
Alp and a Z&D.    They aren't great, but they do what I need with minimum 
fuss.    I have to adjust the amount of beans according to the temperature 
in my roasting room (aka  garage).   Both are missing bits of the lid, have 
cracks in the base unit and one has melted/deformed a bit.   I have to wedge 
something in the latch to hold the lid down - BUT - they roast, cool, and 
contain the chaff.    So, I load, press start, sit down and read the paper 
while the little machine does the work.
Wow - two collectable roasters out of 50!   Anybody want to bid on one of 
these rare gems?
Dave
Westerville, OH   - about 25~30 minutes from the ORIGINAL location of 
SweetMarias --
----   a loooong way from the current location.
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17) From: raymanowen
"...hard to stop quickly"
The acid test for my Grand Slam blower/ cooler will be the RK Drumful of
smoking, snapping beans, since I have resolved Not to touch the drum until
it's cold.
The blower is from a forced air gas furnace rated at 120,000 BTUH out of th=
e
bonnet. Using one of the two intake venturis and a screen mesh colander,
400g of snapping, smoking beans are cool enough to stir with bare hands in
five seconds. Roasting is stopped already.
I'll use the stronger airflow of the full blower at its outlet directed up
through the BBQ and drum. All that has to happen is for the beans to lose
40° - 50°F, and the roast will be all done. 300° more and I can play =
around
with the drum without the red waffle imprint on my hands and forearms. Nast=
y
would be rolling a hot drum above the gauntlet of my leather welding gloves=
.
I got an A in Clumsy 200, so a little caution is in order.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
On 5/22/07, Edward Bourgeois  wrote:
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Might=
y
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

18) From: John Moody
Please roll the cameras and post the confetti cannon on youtube so we can
all enjoy the sight. :-)
A salvaged clothes dryer blower makes wind with a decent head, and can be
easy to find for others considering the scheme.
John

19) From: Les
All of this interest in the Behmor has been interesting.  I find it
interesting that we have a plethora of choices when it comes to
espresso machines in a reasonable price range, grinders in a
reasonable price range, drip coffee makers, etc., but good roasters
that are plug and play seem to disappear in that $700-$1500 range.
Those with the small commercial roasters don't seem to post their
results much on this forum, so I must conclude that either they aren't
getting substantially better results or they are too embarrassed to
share how awesome their machines perform.  I would really like to see
some good strong machines in that middle range.  It seems as if Hottop
has taken up the challenge and continues to make improvements on a
good concept, so kudos to Hottop. I would like to see them have some
competition.
Les
On 5/22/07, John David Huddle  wrote:
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20) From: Floyd Lozano
It is a good point - given the choice between a $2000 espresso machine $700
grinder and $2800 roaster, the money always seems to go to the brewing
side.  I think if people didn't realize you could get respectable results
from bread machines and popcorn makers then there would be a lot more
investment on the roast side.  I look at the Hottop and the Genecafe as the
oh, I don't know,  and Silvia of
roasters.  It would be nice to have a 'Gaggia' option - you know, the
200-300 range with respectable results.  I think people are hoping the
Behminator will be that option.  Still with all the negative feedback, it's
akin to this from an espresso machine 'yeah, it usually makes a top notch
espresso after a 45 minute warmup, but it will occasionally drop the
portafilter out of the group head during a pull or fire steaming hot water
out the back of the machine at the wall or passers by,  but other than that,
it is everything it claims to be'.
In 20 years, people will be buying the uberautos anyway - drop in a cup of
greens and it will roast, cool, grind, tamp, and pull for you.  And give you
traffic and sports too.  Huzzah for progress.
-F
On 5/23/07, Les  wrote:
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21) From: Bruess, Don
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I seem to be coming up blank on the $2800 roasters. I have been in the
market for a small batch (1Kg) type roaster and I always end up with the
high ticket stuff in 3800 to 6000 range. Are there high quality roasters
out there in the 2,800 range? Maybe I am just looking for more then what
comes on the 2,800 dollar roasters.
 
Don
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Floyd Lozano
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:26 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Re: Behmor 1600
 
It is a good point - given the choice between a $2000 espresso machine
$700 grinder and $2800 roaster, the money always seems to go to the
brewing side.  I think if people didn't realize you could get
respectable results from bread machines and popcorn makers then there
would be a lot more investment on the roast side.  I look at the Hottop
and the Genecafe as the oh, I don't know,  and Silvia of roasters.  It would be nice to have a
'Gaggia' option - you know, the 200-300 range with respectable results.
I think people are hoping the Behminator will be that option.  Still
with all the negative feedback, it's akin to this from an espresso
machine 'yeah, it usually makes a top notch espresso after a 45 minute
warmup, but it will occasionally drop the portafilter out of the group
head during a pull or fire steaming hot water out the back of the
machine at the wall or passers by,  but other than that, it is
everything it claims to be'. 
 
In 20 years, people will be buying the uberautos anyway - drop in a cup
of greens and it will roast, cool, grind, tamp, and pull for you.  And
give you traffic and sports too.  Huzzah for progress.
-F
 
On 5/23/07, Les  wrote: 
All of this interest in the Behmor has been interesting.  I find it
interesting that we have a plethora of choices when it comes to 
espresso machines in a reasonable price range, grinders in a
reasonable price range, drip coffee makers, etc., but good roasters
that are plug and play seem to disappear in that $700-$1500 range.
Those with the small commercial roasters don't seem to post their 
results much on this forum, so I must conclude that either they aren't
getting substantially better results or they are too embarrassed to
share how awesome their machines perform.  I would really like to see 
some good strong machines in that middle range.  It seems as if Hottop
has taken up the challenge and continues to make improvements on a
good concept, so kudos to Hottop. I would like to see them have some
competition. 
Les
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22) From: Scott Marquardt
See the midwest thread at coffeegeek. I just announced the advent of
the production model of last year's prototype ring roaster.
Truth is, the first customer subscribes here and is so darned nice
that I don't think she'll reply "AND YOU GUYS ARE MONTHS LATE
DELIVERING THE THING!"
;-)
'nuff said here, though.
- Scott
On 5/23/07, Bruess, Don  wrote:
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23) From: Bruess, Don
Sorry to say the semi-cryptic response has not helped me.
Thanks,
Don

24) From: Floyd Lozano
if i had to guess:
google coffeegeek, click on 'forums' under top link, select 'us central' and
pick 'open sky roaster in production'.
here's a link:http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/worldregional/uscentral/298429I did a search on 'ring roaster' but didn't find this immediately.
oh wait, i do 'ring roaster coffeegeek' from google and it's the top link.
-F
On 5/24/07, Bruess, Don  wrote:
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25) From: Scott Marquardt
Sorry about being cryptic, Don -- just wanting to avoid being
commercial on the board.
In truth, I'm not going into the roaster business, and I'm not really
profiting on this myself. But if it's something people like, I'm sure
my machinist will be interested. I swear by his work.
Among other things, I think we're at a point where features and
improvements need to be driven by market demand, if the design and
price point find a market at all. Personally, I can think of a hundred
things I'd like to "do next" with the thing -- and that's part of the
problem. What I think isn't as important as what folks for whom it
might work think.
Blah, blah, blah (sorry, I yak).
- Scott
On 5/24/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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26) From: Bruess, Don
Scott,
Thank you for the explanation; it is now is clear.
Don

27) From: raymanowen
In plain English, Drop the cost factor as a primary qualification for any
equipment you wish to acquire.
When you state a dollar amount as you have, I fear you might be inclined to
spend all and waste most.
Please formulate your application and desired performance, then research the
best fit. If you have an extra $120,000 you could spend on a snowplow, it
might not be best to shoot $105,000 on an Italian sports car and fit it with
a $15,000 hydraulic snow blade.
It might be a sexy snowplow, but how many miles of city streets would you
want to plow for $100/ mile? 2,500 miles might pay for the Maserati, you'd
have done a lot of work, and be back at the starting line with no car.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"I am not a failure, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work-" - -Thomas
A. Edison

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roasted his opwn coffee
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:47:57 -0600 raymanowen writes:
In plain English, Drop the cost factor as a primary qualification for any
equipment you wish to acquire. 
When you state a dollar amount as you have, I fear you might be inclined
to spend all and waste most.
Please formulate your application and desired performance, then research
the best fit. If you have an extra $120,000 you could spend on a
snowplow, it might not be best to shoot $105,000 on an Italian sports car
and fit it with a $15,000 hydraulic snow blade. 
It might be a sexy snowplow, but how many miles of city streets would you
want to plow for $100/ mile? 2,500 miles might pay for the Maserati,
you'd have done a lot of work, and be back at the starting line with no
car. 
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"I am not a failure, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work-" -
-Thomas A. Edison
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qualification for 
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When you state a dollar amount=
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  most.
Please formulate your application and desired performance, =
then 
  research the best fit. If you have an extra $120,000 you could spend on a=
 
  snowplow, it might not be best to shoot $105,000 on an Italian sports car=
 and 
  fit it with a $15,000 hydraulic snow blade. 
It might be a sexy 
  snowplow, but how many miles of city streets would you want to plow for $=
100/ 
  mile? 2,500 miles might pay for the Maserati, you'd have done a lot of =
work, 
  and be back at the starting line with no car. 
Cheers -RayO, aka 
  Opa!
"I am not a failure, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't =
work-" 
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29) From: Brentley Beerline
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Forgive me for saying it this way, but it is totally ridiculous to not worry
about cost.  If this were reality none of the customers that I sell software
to everyday would worry about cost, or make me explain to them how I will
save them money.
I would go for a home sample roaster in a heartbeat.  I just cannot justify
4K for a roaster, when I can get great roasted coffee from 4 world class
roasters within 45 minutes of my house.  I have two roasters (one is our
hosts Sweet Marias) within 10 minutes of my house and I can even custom
order from one of them (extra dark etc.).   So for me to try to pull off a
4K purchase doesn't make sense at all.    I may go to a drum, but that would
be about it.  
So my deal is we need to feed the silvia good fresh coffee, I can buy a
pound of roasted liquid amber from Tom for 9 bucks or I can buy a green
pound for around 6 and roast myself.  The stuff done by tom tastes different
than the stuff from my little home roaster (more body) and takes a bit more
time to get (but  they are close to my house).   I could afford a ferarri
roaster, but don't want to own it.
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of
deylat1.1
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 21:56
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Re: Behmor 1600
gDrop the cost factor as a primary qualification for any equipment you wish
to acquire.
 Glad to hear from the sultan of Brunei. . . . .. I idn't know  he  roasted
his opwn coffee
 warren Buffet
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:47:57 -0600 raymanowen writes:
In plain English, Drop the cost factor as a primary qualification for any
equipment you wish to acquire. 
When you state a dollar amount as you have, I fear you might be inclined to
spend all and waste most.
Please formulate your application and desired performance, then research the
best fit. If you have an extra $120,000 you could spend on a snowplow, it
might not be best to shoot $105,000 on an Italian sports car and fit it with
a $15,000 hydraulic snow blade. 
It might be a sexy snowplow, but how many miles of city streets would you
want to plow for $100/ mile? 2,500 miles might pay for the Maserati, you'd
have done a lot of work, and be back at the starting line with no car. 
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"I am not a failure, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work-" - -Thomas
A. Edison

30) From: Brett Mason
Does anyone here know the cheapest way to buy Taster's Choice?
Is Folger's a better value than Maxwell House?
Are the Hills Bros from the hills?
Reality:  There are some people on this list who still care about the most
excellent cup of coffee, and the fair price required in such pursuit.  Each
of us has already decided to pursue the good coffee.  Can you believe that
they make you pay for the good parts required?
     <>
Let's not act like a $700 grinder, or a $1,400 grinder is out of the
question.  Frankly, I am interested, even though I manage to keep my
personal expenditures down.  If someone wons a high end grinder, I certainly
want to know about it, especially a review of its benefits and performance.
Brentley, and Don, welcome to the list.  Maybe it's time to let some emails
go by without challenging each one.  There's a remote chance you'll glean
something that is of personal benefit to you.  The rest should at least
prove interesting enough, at least to see how some others pursue this
passion...
Cheers,
Brett
  and I haven't even met McSultan...  but he and I do agree from time to
time
      (in a non-agreeable way)
On 5/25/07, Brentley Beerline  wrote:
<Snip>
-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

31) From: John Moody
Good grief, is was not said to ignore cost; you completely missed the
message...  Read it again and think about it.
John

32) From: miKe mcKoffee
Damn, I'm impressed early with what a MMAAP $299 (Mfg. Minimum Allowed
Advertised Price) 1# roaster can do. Yeah, mine arrived this afternoon.
During PNWG V had way to much other stuff to do to give it much attention.
Obviously haven't had much time with it, like less than 3 hours. Did a empty
burn in then 1# Generic Guat test roast to City+, 18 minute roast using P2,
a profile with heater 100% about the 1st 2/3 time then drops to 70% end
stage. Or more accurately this profile has 70% heater followed by a short
10% of time at 100% heat very end. (Pound of Guat Joe had left, given to him
and stated to be less than stellar.) Decided to roast in the kitchen with
hood off. No visible smoke, the bare faintest roast odor. After cooling had
kicked in waited about a minute and opened the door for a faster cooler, now
smoke came out (but not that much) and I kicked on the twin cyclone 700cfm
exhaust hood. Cool to touch in about 4 minutes from end of roast. Roast a
bit uneven but not severely so. Total of two beans stuck in the mesh drum.
Chaff removal very good. Of course, opening the door during cooling does
allow some chaff to escape the roaster, mini shop vac on the ready.
Ok, since this morning I'd roasted two half pounders WP Yirg for a frozen
greens roast test (frozen and defrosted before roasting plus usually vac
sealed room temp greens) decided to roast a half of the same Yirg' in the
Behmor. Used a different profile than the Guat. Three stages each stage
increasing heat. Has five built in profiles, all modifiable in time
percentages middle and end stages. The "profiles" themselves cannot be
changed, yet still has good flexibility. More accurately a given stages
heater power percentage cannot be changed, how long at that stage can.
Decided to leave door closed for entire cooling, outter door moderately warm
5 minute mark, virtually room temp end of 10 minute cooling cycle. Drum
loading and removal easy and straight forward IMO. Oh, no gloves required.
Unless you want to remove the drum at end of roast to manually speed cool of
course. But I'm going to do all my testing cooling in Behmor.
Preliminary indications IMO this is gonna be one hell of a 1# sub $300 off
the shelf roaster. Expect them to hit the market end of August first part of
September per talking with Joe today. More will be revealed. Hopefully Tom
decides to carry them...
If there's any negative so far it's that I can't smell the roast progression
nearly as well as from the Rosto exhaust. Dang afterburner doing it's job!
Oh, IMO the inside light does a good job illuminating the roast for visual.
Will want to keep the door window clean.
May do an early 3 way cupping of the Yirg's tomorrow morning.
Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/

33) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
miKe,
Are you able to hear the cracks. I originally used a Zach & Dani, and  
now I use the iRoast 2. Hearing the cracks and thus judging degree of  
roast has been difficult for me.
dave
On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:02 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
<Snip>

34) From: miKe mcKoffee
Much much quieter than any air roaster. Which is to say cracks loud and
clear.
miKe 
<Snip>

35) From: John Brown
i have just received my I roast 2.  and i also can not hear the first 
let alone the second crack.  i have a hearing loss of 90 decibels at 
4kilo Hz and above.
but i have found what i think is a close substitutes watch for the chaff 
to start flying around.  what reading i have done indicates the chaff 
come loose close to the first crack temps.
Dave Ehrenkranz wrote:
<Snip>

36) From: Bryan Wray
The more I hear about this roaster, the more I think to myself "Sign me up..."  I can't wait to do some testing with one of these.  Pretty sure I will snag one up as soon as they arrive on market.
-Bry
 
Bryan Wray
"It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens.
       
---------------------------------
Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. 

37) From: Bill Zambon
A month or so ago, I emailed Tom and asked when the Behmor 1600 would be
available for purchase. He suggested I get on the mailing list of the
manufacturer. Today, I received the following from the manufacturer:
If all the data stays on track with what I'm now receiving,
inventory should be with the respective distributors around
November 10th - 14th.
And of course, one of the distributors will be sweetmarias.
Bill Z
-- 
William R. Zambon
Grosse Ile Presbyterian Church
(734) 676-8811  church
(734) 272-7062  cell

38) From: Phil Clevenger
  I think someone's planning a Behmor Christmas for himself.  How...um...*
convenient*...lol.
  Can't wait to hear what you think of it...sounds like it will be a worthy
replacement for the erstwhile GC...
--Phil
On 10/13/07, Bill Zambon  wrote:
<Snip>

39) From: Paul Carder
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Tom, If These questions have already been answered, please forgive my =
forgetfulness! When do you plan on listing any tip sheete on the SM =
website for the Behmor 1600? I look forward to what your recommendations =
are, and what you have to say above and beyond the owner's manual. I =
found the owner's manual available on a competitor's website. Could you =
possibly make it available on SM's site? When I purchase one, I'd rather =
give you the business.
Regards; PAUL CARDER

40) From: javafool
Tom's comments about needing to stop the roast early are a concern to me =
and
a good reason to wait for reviews. One of the very first production home
roasters, the Unimax2000, cooled the coffee very slowly. This machine =
also
forced the roaster (the person doing the roasting) to stop the roast =
early
to avoid over roasting. After under roasting a batch or two and pretty =
much
being forced to dump the roasts, I tended to want to err, if necessary, =
on
the darker side. That is okay for some coffees. It is not okay for a few
that have a very narrow sweet spot, and therein may lie the problem. I =
would
think that roasting from 1/4 pound to a full pound of beans would =
compound
the issue, maybe to the point that you would want to pretty much settle =
on a
batch size that works for you and stick with it.
My old Unimax is still functional and I use it occasionally just for =
kicks.
With the slower cooling it does seem to roast more evenly that any other
roaster I have used. The way it stirs the beans also leaves far less =
chaff
on the beans than my HotTop does. It has about a 9 minute roast cycle =
with
11 minutes of cool down for 7 to 8 ounce batch sizes. I will be =
interested
in Tom's initial trials and reading about how the first users are making
out.
Terry

41) From: Les
Let me tell you folks.  Joe is one of us.  He has gone the extra mile
and all this timidity is not warranted.  Joe had the guts to send one
of his machines to the PNWG and flew in to be present so all of us
critical snobs at the PNWG could rag the machine out.  He even left
the machine for Mike and then Alchemist John to put it to the test.
Believe me Alchemist John really put it to the test!  I am sworn to
say no more.  I was a real jerk (Joe didn't know it), and I asked him
to do one of the most difficult roasts that I know that is one pound
of Brazil Yellow Bourbon to a light City roast.  Not only did he do
it, he nailed the roast off an extension cord in about 60 degree
weather on Mike's porch with the wind gusting to about 30 miles an
hour.  I told Joe the profile I wanted and he dialed it in and nailed
the roast.  This is going to be a "best buy" roaster.  Joe isn't a big
old company, he has poured his life savings into this project and it
has only been delayed because he upgraded many of the components
before bringing it to market.  If you are wanting a good roaster for
less than 300 bucks you won't go wrong with the Behmor 1600.  He isn't
a big manufacturer looking for a side market.  He is 100% selling this
roaster to try to put food on the table and a roof over his head.  If
you are expecting a $1,000.00 roaster for $300.00 this isn't it.  If
you want a roaster that can do the job, you won't go wrong with the
Behmor.  Terry, there have been many users of this roaster that are on
this list and believe me it has been through some tests!  Joe has been
given a lot of ciritical feed back from many people on this list, and
made changes in the machine that will be hitting the market in the
next few weeks.
Les
On 10/20/07, javafool  wrote:
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42) From: Sandy Andina
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This is definitely the next roaster I will buy as soon as I have  
enough disposable income (after disposing it into more pressing  
priorities like college tuition, travel for family obligations and  
home repair).
On Oct 21, 2007, at 1:15 AM, Les wrote:
Sandy
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This is definitely the next roaster I will buy as soon as I have enough =
disposable income (after disposing it into more pressing priorities like =
college tuition, travel for family obligations and home =
repair).
On Oct 21, 2007, at 1:15 AM, Les =
wrote:
 Sandywww.sass-music.com
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43) From: Robert Gulley
Well Les, you've just sold me!
Thanks for the timely comments. I'll enjoy my IR2 for now - but down 
the road this sounds like the machine for me (and knowing me, it 
won't be too far down the road since the price is very reasonable).
Robert RG
At 02:15 AM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
<Snip>
"I have measured out my life with coffee spoons."  ~T.S. Eliot  

44) From: javafool
Quote: 
Let me tell you folks.  Joe is one of us.  He has gone the extra mile
and all this timidity is not warranted.  Joe had the guts to send one
of his machines to the PNWG and flew in to be present so all of us
critical snobs at the PNWG could rag the machine out.  He even left
the machine for Mike and then Alchemist John to put it to the test.
Believe me Alchemist John really put it to the test!  I am sworn to
say no more.  I was a real jerk (Joe didn't know it), and I asked him
to do one of the most difficult roasts that I know that is one pound
of Brazil Yellow Bourbon to a light City roast.  Not only did he do
it, he nailed the roast off an extension cord in about 60 degree
weather on Mike's porch with the wind gusting to about 30 miles an
hour.  I told Joe the profile I wanted and he dialed it in and nailed
the roast.  This is going to be a "best buy" roaster.  Joe isn't a big
old company, he has poured his life savings into this project and it
has only been delayed because he upgraded many of the components
before bringing it to market.  If you are wanting a good roaster for
less than 300 bucks you won't go wrong with the Behmor 1600.  He isn't
a big manufacturer looking for a side market.  He is 100% selling this
roaster to try to put food on the table and a roof over his head.  If
you are expecting a $1,000.00 roaster for $300.00 this isn't it.  If
you want a roaster that can do the job, you won't go wrong with the
Behmor.  Terry, there have been many users of this roaster that are on
this list and believe me it has been through some tests!  Joe has been
given a lot of ciritical feed back from many people on this list, and
made changes in the machine that will be hitting the market in the
next few weeks.
Les
Thank you for the additional information Les. A 1/4 to 1 pound roaster, for
$300, that actually does an excellent job of roasting is a dream come true
for many. I truly hope that this is "the" machine that so many have been
waiting for. The Unimax I mentioned uses quartz heating elements and it is
still going strong since late 1998. I have no idea why, but it keeps going
on and on.
I was merely mentioning a concern I have with the cooling and stopping a
roast early, and that concern is based on years of experience. I hope it is
a non issue, something that the roasting person can easily compensate for.
After the reviews come out, I may very well add the Behmor 1600 to my
roasting bench. The ability to roast a pound at a time sounds very
attractive indeed, especially for the price.
I had no intention of bashing a product I know little about and a product I
want to like. I do have some concern, hopefully unjustified, in needing to
stop the roast and let it coast to the finish.
Terry

45) From: Les
Terry,
I had the same concern until I saw the machine in action.  It isn't
perfect.  I will say that up front.  However it really does fill the
gap since Hottop is headed for the $1,000.00 range.
Les
On 10/21/07, javafool  wrote:
<Snip>

46) From: miKe mcKoffee
Javafool,
Your specific concerns aren't necessarily unjustified. Yet IMO they aren't
deal killers either. And waiting for Tom to fully understand and document
all that can be done with the Behmor will never happen. Basic hammering for
will it break and are the roasts decent yes, but Tom's way too busy to spend
hundreds or even thousands of hours to really know the Behmor's full
potential range the various stock profiles various batch sizes and quirks
and tricks of use etc. That's were actual home roaster crazies with too much
time on their hands comes in! For example back when the Caffe Rosto was
still being sold by Tom he reviewed and recommended it stock within it's
stock limitations. I guarantee someone who has roasted hundreds and hundreds
of Rosto batches stock, then mofified can get far more flexible and
repeatable and higher quality roasts with the Rosto than Tom ever could.
Same will go for the Behmor.
Varying batch sizes of the same bean from 1/4 to 1# (plus for 1# post roast)
attempting the "same" roast will require a fair amount of user experience.
Then again, no roaster without sophisticated bean temp monitoring and
automatic control can do even close to replicatable roasts so no different.
Closed door cooling and roast "over shoot" from start of cooling will also
be different for small versus 1# batches. Again, simply a matter of learning
a tool. Agree new users  best sticking to one batch size until they learn
how to roast that batch size consistently for varying degrees and profiles
then move on to another batch size.
Any tool is just a tool. It's up to the user to learn and get most out the
tool. This particular home roasting off the shelf street price targeted $299
tool IMO quite flexible and with good smoke reduction to boot. Can it
compare to the flexibility and automation of the new model HotTops? No, and
costs about 1/3 less with double the max batch capacity and with good indoor
roasting ability. And the stock HotTops have glaring weaknesses too,
specifically still not actually monitoring bean mass temp making consistency
still a crap shoot. For that you'll need Jeffrey Pawlin modified CCR HotTop
or Mike's (just plain) PID'd P1 roasters or other's highly modified
roasters. A decent automated roast control system commercially costs many
thousands just for the control system let alone the roaster! So can't expect
a $300 1# max batch sized home roaster to perform the same.
Bottom line I wouldn't hesitate in the least highly recommending the Behmor
1600 as the price performance entry level home roast leader. AND if a user
is of the ilk Behmor easily modifiable in various ways for better/different
performance.
Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
www.mcKonaKoffee.com
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
<Snip>

47) From: Floyd Lozano
As winter approaches, I am looking for a reliable small batch roaster (1/2 -
1 lb) so I don't have to always brave the outside.  This looks like the one!
-F
On 10/21/07, Les  wrote:
<Snip>

48) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
It appears the roaster will perform well in low ambient temperatures 
but this has NOT been tested yet on the final pre-production machine. 
(Unless someone has some info to share on low temp roasting). Lets 
not get ahead of ourselves! -Tom
As winter approaches, I am looking for a reliable small batch roaster 
(1/2 - 1 lb) so I don't have to always brave the outside.  This looks 
like the one!
-F
On 10/21/07, Les <les.albjerg> wrote:
  If
you want a roaster that can do the job, you won't go wrong with the
Behmor.  Terry, there have been many users of this roaster that are on
this list and believe me it has been through some tests!  Joe has been
given a lot of ciritical feed back from many people on this list, and
made changes in the machine that will be hitting the market in the
next few weeks.
Les
--
                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

49) From: Floyd Lozano
I wasn't clear - I don't intend to use it outside.  I intend to use it to
avoid going outside to roast with the superior RK drum, when it's too wicked
cold to do so!  I hope you don't define 'low ambient' as the 65 F my kitchen
gets in the winter!
-F
On 10/22/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
wrote:
<Snip>

50) From: Brian Kamnetz
Tom,
I read the post below as referring to the Behmor's reputed ability to
produce light to intermediate roasts indoors without putting a lot of
smoke into the air, therefore making it unnecessary to roast  outside
in the lower ambient temps.
Brian
On 10/22/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
 wrote:
<Snip>

51) From: Elliott H. O'Reilly
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I just received the following email from Joe Behm:
To all,
Been a bit hectic around here given fires are North, South and East of my
home in various parts of San Diego and now appears we'll be hosting some
families for a few days maybe months. So if information gets a little spotty
over the next days or I fall behind in that period please understand.
Now to good news ..actually it's great news in my book.
I've just received information about 2 hours ago from my freight forwarder
the cargo ship with roasters has left port and should be in the South China
Sea as I type. Arrival in Long Beach, California is slated for the first
week of November.
If all goes well roasters will be available for delivery at each of the
distributors sometime around the 10th-11th of November. The only caveat to
this would be customs. But we are already addressing that issue as I type,
to limit problems as much as possible.
One other thing I would like to share with everyone are points about what
I've seen in a thread about quality.
I understand this and will say the following.
Quality... The assembly house who is doing my work is the same assembly
house who manufacturers for Braun, Cuisinart, Krups, Gevalia, Sunbeam, Mr.
Coffee, Ronco, T-Fal and many more top tier firms. They are experts in the
appliance manufacturing field, who have onsite UL staff, full onsite
engineering personnel and more. This is why I chose them.
The cylinder for the roaster went through at least nine revisions. Blade
placement changes and designs for testing theories that went to a
rotisserie, to understand roasting. To changes of clasps and more.
The roaster has gone through at least 6 generational changes with three
being hard changes. I still have the first hard generation and you'll have
the third. In between there were hundreds of changes and a computer program
that one small aspect, the fan functions required three complete re-writes
and six different styles of fans, with further adjustments required of those
fans that had never been required before, to get it the way I wanted.
Every mechanical part or electronic component used, was tested under full
actual application conditions for 1000 hours before it could be used in the
manufacturing of the roaster.
The shipping box was dropped with a roaster onside from a height of
approximately 42" on every corner and every side to insure as much as
humanly possible the roaster would withstand the rigors of UPS, FedX, DHL
etc.
This is not to say I won't have mechanical field failures or even an
occasional bad unit to start. I'm a realist and know from 25 years in
electronics. it happens but I'll do my utmost to limit those occurrences and
rectify them when they appear.
Here again is the list of approved vendors all of whom are free to accept
orders or place you on lists.
Burman Coffee
Chocolate Alchemy (Chocolate specialist uses Behmor to roast cocoa too.. No
green bean sales) Coffee Bean Corral Fresh Coffee Beans Great Infusions More
Coffee Roasta Bean RoastMasters Sweet Marias The Captains Coffee The Coffee
Project The Unroasted UncleBeanz
Needless to say for the first time in eight years I see the goal line and
hope everyone will enjoy the roaster and much as I have enjoyed "most" of
the journey.
In about two weeks I'll send out another email to verify the cargo ship has
arrived and customs status.
Thank you again for your patience and interest in the Behmor 1600..
Joe Behm
Ps.. I forwarded photos to all distributors of the various generations of
cylinders, roasters, wooden and cardboard mocks ups for you to view the
journey for yourself. Some may post them.

52) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Well ... (opening can of worms) ... yes, it has smoke suppression. 
The fact is, roast 1 lb of coffee, even fairly light, and you WILL 
get smoke. I think light roasts on the Behmor indoors with some good 
stove hood venting will be acceptable for people (most importantly, 
spouses) who are not too discerning. If someone is extremely smoke 
sensitive, I don't know. But really ... 1 lb of coffee is going to 
have effluence nomatter what you do. What I intend to do is try to 
make a video of the behmor with a 1 lb FC roast and the afterburner 
disabled to show that it really IS having an effect. I mean, anyone 
who has tried to roast 1 lb to FC on a stovetop popper knows this...
Tom
PS: an interesting side note - the Behmor material is going to state 
that it is not intended for dark roasts, period, nothing beyond 10 
seconds into 2nd crack. Part of this is legal, but the fact is after 
you allow for the coasting effect as the roast cools, 10 seconds into 
2nd crack is fairly dark. The other issue is that many of the 
pre-programmed time settings have been blocked on the final model to 
prevent the user option of dark roasting. In a few settings, such as 
1/4 Lb on P2 roast profile, you can't even get near FC roast, even 
after adding the maximum amount of time to the roast using the + key. 
This seems silly, but there are workarounds. We have been 
data-logging the roast profiles at various batch charges to see what 
the time-power-based curves really mean in terms of temperature. 
Again, it's a roaster with a few warts in the build, but it's strong 
points cannot be dismissed: price, batch size, roast results.
Tom, again
<Snip>
--
                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

53) From: James Raven
Les,
Do you have the official registration address that had been posted for the =
Behmor 1600, I lost track of it and now can't find it. If you have it handy=
 could you re-post it as I am in need of a roaster and will have some time =
off soon to mess with one if i'm lucky enough to receive one when they come=
 in. Thanks , or thanks to anyone who might have it saved and can repost.
Jim
From: fplozano
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Behmor 1600
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:25:35 -0400
I wasn't clear - I don't intend to use it outside.  I intend to use it to a=
void going outside to roast with the superior RK drum, when it's too wicked=
 cold to do so!  I hope you don't define 'low ambient' as the 65 F my kitch=
en gets in the winter!
-F
On 10/22/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee  wrote:
It appears the roaster will perform well in low ambient temperatures
but this has NOT been tested yet on the final pre-production machine.
(Unless someone has some info to share on low temp roasting). Lets
not get ahead of ourselves! -Tom
As winter approaches, I am looking for a reliable small batch roaster
(1/2 - 1 lb) so I don't have to always brave the outside.  This looks
like the one!
-F
On 10/21/07, Les <les.albjerg> wrot=
e:
If
you want a roaster that can do the job, you won't go wrong with the
Behmor.  Terry, there have been many users of this roaster that are on
this list and believe me it has been through some tests!  Joe has been
given a lot of ciritical feed back from many people on this list, and
made changes in the machine that will be hitting the market in the
next few weeks.
Les
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54) From: James Raven
don't you have to register for one or something like that?
jim
From: fplozano
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Behmor 1600
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:10:35 -0400
As winter approaches, I am looking for a reliable small batch roaster (1/2 =
- 1 lb) so I don't have to always brave the outside.  This looks like the o=
ne!
-F
On 10/21/07, Les  wrote:
 If
you want a roaster that can do the job, you won't go wrong with the
Behmor.  Terry, there have been many users of this roaster that are on
this list and believe me it has been through some tests!  Joe has been
given a lot of ciritical feed back from many people on this list, and
made changes in the machine that will be hitting the market in the
next few weeks.
Les
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55) From: James Raven
So this will make it through winter without smoking too much? I believe I'l=
l be finding a new location out in the shop, without a heat source except f=
or the roaster - ha ha  -  Tell me it's true Tom??
Thanks,
Jim
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56) From: Leo Zick
10secs into second crack isnt much for an espresso roast. im not saying you
need much more, but for some beans/blends, 25-30 secs is expected.  (at
least in my sc/to setup).
so, to me, that sounds like a big deal...
On 10/22/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
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57) From: Sandy Andina
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Many espressos can be as lightly roasted as City-City+  (e.g.,  
Malabar Gold--or a similar blend you can patch together from the  
appropriate SM's beans--or Metropolis Red Line).
On Oct 23, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Leo Zick wrote:
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Many espressos can be as lightly roasted as City-City+  (e.g., Malabar =
Gold--or a similar blend you can patch together from the appropriate =
SM's beans--or Metropolis Red Line).
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7:49 PM, Leo Zick wrote:
10secs = into second crack isnt much for an espresso roast. im not saying you = need much more, but for some beans/blends, 25-30 secs is expected.  = (at least in my sc/to setup). so, to me, that sounds like a big = deal... Sandywww.sass-music.com
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58) From: Paul Carder
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Tom, I hope when your testing of the Behmor 1600 is complete,  that a =
FC, FC+ , or higher is attainable. Those are the roast levels I =
generallly prefer. If not, I hope Joe can make those changes for future =
manufacturing runs.
PAUL CARDER

59) From: Leo Zick
yes but 15-20 secs on makes such a chocolaty greenline!!
On 10/23/07, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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60) From: Kevin
Les,
I have a Gene Cafe that I've been happy with but in my new house I have no
location to roast where the smoke can be vented (kitchen stove is a carbon
filter fan, not vented outside).  With winter coming in NY the outside air
temp can get below zero F.  What interested me with the Bohmor 1600 is it's
ability to drastically reduce smoke.  If the machine can do this, I would
definitely purchase one (with the help of an SM gift cert. I received in
Oct.)  In your opinion, how well is the smoke reduced?
 Kevin

61) From: Kevin
I may take the plunge anyway just for the ability to double roasting
capacity over the GC.
On 10/24/07, Kevin  wrote:
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62) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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Kevin,
    I have seen the Behmor in action and I was very impressed with the
smoke reduction it works better than the Z&D that have... 
if you are roasting to FC or less I doubt you will find any smoke just
roast smells (which personally I like) 
IMHO and as always YMMV!
Dennis

63) From: Alchemist John
Being a beta tester, FC and FC+ ( to 2nd and just after) are fully 
attainable.  Where do you consider FC and FC+.
At 09:07 10/24/2007, you wrote:
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AlChemist at large
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64) From: Kevin
Dennis,
Thanks for the reply!  I do prefer my coffee to be between City and FC.
This machine will probably work for me.  Thanks!
Kevin

65) From: James Raven
Hey all you lucky proto testers of the 1600, are you folk telling us that v=
ienna might not be reachable? Or is the beginning of cool down going to hel=
p it to reach the beginnings of the darker side? I like some of all roast l=
evels so was just curious when my need or desire for some dark comes rising=
 to the top.
THANKS -
Jim
From: hokies1999
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Behmor 1600
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:00:07 -0400
Dennis,
Thanks for the reply!  I do prefer my coffee to be between City and FC.  Th=
is machine will probably work for me.  Thanks!
Kevin
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66) From: Paul Carder
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
John, Just to 2nd crack and into it a bit like you say is where I =
concider FC, FC+. After I posted my original inquiry, Joe Behm contacted =
my and answered several of my questions. He suggested the darker roasted =
at 1/2 lb, 1/4 lb beans because taking 1 lb of beans into 2nd crack, =
would likely take too long for cool down and finish with the beans being =
way darker than what you intended. Thanks for your reply.
PAUL CARDER 

67) From: Alchemist John
Vienna?  I won't go into why you would want to take quality beans 
that dark (LIE - I just did ;), but I would hesitate to take 1 lb to 
Vienna in the Behmor.  In all profiles, the power is on 100% at the 
end, and there is a bit of momentum carrying the roast, and a pound 
is going to try to keep going.  After dozens of roasts, I think, 
maybe, I could pull that off, but I would have my hands sitting on 
the cool button.  I would start with 1/4 lb first.
It is not that it is not reachable, but is it stoppable.
I also have heard concerns about anticipating the end of the roast 
and this being mentioned as a critism.  It's a drum roaster.  It's 
what you do in a drum roaster.  You anticipate.  It's not a flaw - it 
just the nature of the beast IMO.
At 07:37 10/25/2007, you wrote:
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AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

68) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Hi John - if you have 1st generation prototype, the ABCD preset roast 
times are all "open" ie. they work. the second generation has lower 
roast time caps, and blocked presets, i.e. 1/4 lb + p-1 + d does not 
work, only a and b. that's why we have found 1/4 lb to be , well, the 
most difficult to use, and will recommend 1/2 as a starting point. I 
just wasn't sure which machine you have used... and I totally agree 
with your comments - not impossible to do light French, but you need 
to be experienced (able to anticipate) and have your finger on the 
cool button!
Tom
Vienna?  I won't go into why you would want to take quality beans 
that dark (LIE - I just did ;), but I would hesitate to take 1 lb to 
Vienna in the Behmor.  In all profiles, the power is on 100% at the 
end, and there is a bit of momentum carrying the roast, and a pound 
is going to try to keep going.  After dozens of roasts, I think, 
maybe, I could pull that off, but I would have my hands sitting on 
the cool button.  I would start with 1/4 lb first.
It is not that it is not reachable, but is it stoppable.
I also have heard concerns about anticipating the end of the roast 
and this being mentioned as a critism.  It's a drum roaster.  It's 
what you do in a drum roaster.  You anticipate.  It's not a flaw - it 
just the nature of the beast IMO.
At 07:37 10/25/2007, you wrote:
Hey all you lucky proto testers of the 1600, are you folk telling us 
that vienna might not be reachable? Or is the beginning of cool down 
going to help it to reach the beginnings of the darker side? I like 
some of all roast levels so was just curious when my need or desire 
for some dark comes rising to the top.
THANKS -
Jim
From: hokies1999
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Behmor 1600
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:00:07 -0400
Dennis,
Thanks for the reply!  I do prefer my coffee to be between City and 
FC.  This machine will probably work for me.  Thanks!
Kevin
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69) From: Alchemist John
I actually have 3 versions, none as old as the 1st gen.  The main one 
I am testing on is of the current configuration except for the 140 C 
roast start threshold temperature (they are now 130 C).  I agree - 
1/4 lb is tough.  I found 8 to 12 oz optimum, although I have coaxed 
some nice 1 lb roasts of course.
My first Vienna way overwhelmed the smoke suppression, but hey, Joe 
makes it quite clear he doesn't recommend that level.
Experience with this roaster will be the keep to dark roasts.
At 17:56 10/25/2007, you wrote:
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AlChemist at large
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