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Topic: Very OT: Cholesterol (was Re: coffee and cholesterol was +french press) (28 msgs / 1275 lines)
1) From: Randall Nortman
OK, I'm going to try to put this whole "cholesterol doesn't cause
heart disease, it's only correlated with heart disease and lowering
cholesterol doesn't actually help anything" issue to bed.  If you
don't want to believe what the science says, enjoy your cheesecake.
If you believe but still want the cheesecake, enjoy your cheesecake.
Follow it up with some good French press coffee and call it a night.
You will most likely still wake up in the morning.  But don't try to
claim that the science isn't there at all, because it is.  Find me a
credible scientist that disagrees, and I'll buy you a pound of bird
poo coffee.  (I get to define both "credible" and "scientist".
Limited time offer.  Subject to product availability.)
Here's the simplified story of how cholesterol actually contributes to
heart disease: Most of the time, when somebody says "heart disease",
what they mean is atherosclerosis, which is the development of plaques
on the walls of arteries, causing the wall to become thick, tough, and
sometimes brittle.  This can reduce blood flow, since as the wall
becomes thicker the opening becomes smaller, and the plaques can also
lead to clots that break off and cause blockages elsewhere, which is
what usually leads to some poor sap lying unconscious on a gurney
racing down the hallway in the ER surrounded by a team of people in
ridiculous pastel garments and funny shoes with very serious looks on
their faces.
So here's where cholesterol fits in: Those plaques start with
inflammation (which can be caused by a lot of things), and once the
inflammation sets in, lots of stuff in your bloodstream starts
sticking to the artery wall at the site of the inflammation.  One of
those things that sticks is cholesterol, and the more "bad" (LDL)
cholesterol you have, the more stuff sticks.  When they do autopsies
of people with atherosclerosis (no shortage of dead bodies with
atherosclerosis these days) and open up those arteries and see what
the plaques are made of, cholesterol is a major component.
So cholesterol isn't the root cause -- inflammation starts the whole
process.  But if there weren't as much LDL cholesterol there to form
the plaques, everything would be in much better shape.  There are more
complexities to the whole thing, and lots of other factors, blah blah
blah, but cholesterol is a big part of the picture.  This is "just a
theory", but it's a theory that's been confirmed by more than enough
human and animal experiments, and by now pretty much every researcher
in the field accepts it as fact.  Gravity is "just a theory", too, but
something's damned well holding your butt to that chair.

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Fixx had heredity gunning for him from the get-go. His father and  
brother died of heart attacks in their thirties. Because he became a  
runner and low-fat eater, he made it to 55.
On May 22, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Bob wrote:
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Aaron wrote: Then = there's Jim Fixx. the health food nut who followed your bible to the = letter and died of a massive coronary..(or should I call it heart = disease). gee a healthy person dies... wow go figger... = Congenital heart defect. Bob = Brashearhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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3) From: Brett Mason
Aaron, good perspective, briging up the issue of not oly "all the
scientists", but also, "all the other scientists"...
If they would only all really agree, and be right at the same time with
incontrovertible evidence, the dogma would stick a whole lot better...
Seems the dogma got run over by someone's karma...
Brett
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4) From: Cameron Forde
Hi Randall,
I agree that there have been a lot of studies done by scientists who
know what they are doing -- it was never my intent to cast aspersions
on their work.  The problem comes with the interpretation.  I think
that everyone is agreed that there is a correlation between high
levels of cholesterol and heart disease.  My issue is with correlation
versus causation.  In the scenario that I drew where I proposed that
the body responds to the disease by raising cholesterol levels as a
molecular message that there is a problem that needs to be fixed, high
cholesterol levels are a symptom of the disease.  Perhaps we can agree
that it doesn't make much sense to treat a symptom?
Sure the cholesterol is part of the plaques, but the observation that
cholesterol is part of the plaque doesn't mean that the cholesterol
has caused the plaques.  And, in fact, cholesterol is not the major
component of plaques.  You might want to do some fact checking there.
My problem isn't with what the science says.  My problem is with
people trying to tell me that the science says something that it
doesn't.
Cameron
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5) From: Justin Marquez
On 5/22/07, Aaron  wrote:
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Whyizzit that "global warming" is now suddenly a crisis to Al Gore?  Did we
just suddenly get combustion engines and smokestacks in the last 6 years?
 If he'd been worrying about it whilst he was the VP, perhaps he could
actually have DONE something. "Global Warming" appears to have more to do
with politico "hot air" and obtaining of govt grant money than solid
science.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

6) From: Leo Zick
thats it?  i thought tempura and turkey were in the 400-450 range..
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7) From: Robert Pearce
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I'm sorry, but you need to check your facts before you make such statements.
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use of the Internet to increase student awareness of their environment and
contribute research data for scientists.
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Justin Marquez
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:42 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: Very OT: Cholesterol (was Re: coffee and cholesterol was
+french press)
On 5/22/07, Aaron  wrote: 
So... who's responsible for Global Climate Change... Al Gore for all the
hot air he spews, or the standby duty excuse for everything anyone hates 
GWB??  I mean...afterall global warming is a proven *fact* too isn't
it???...depending on who funds your grants that is.  Oops don't look
back 30 years ago when it was global cooling and us plummeting towards 
the next ice age but we'll pretend that never happened since it so
inconveniently contradicts our crisis of the moment.
Can I blame global warming on increased cholesterol in my coffee too?
Hey... that's an Idea, maybe I can win a peace (of crap) prize for it. 
Whyizzit that "global warming" is now suddenly a crisis to Al Gore?  Did we
just suddenly get combustion engines and smokestacks in the last 6 years?
If he'd been worrying about it whilst he was the VP, perhaps he could
actually have DONE something. "Global Warming" appears to have more to do
with politico "hot air" and obtaining of govt grant money than solid
science. 
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX) 

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9) From: Leo Zick
please please please dont even go down the politics route with this shit.
it will never end.
this list is getting out of control lately.
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10) From: Lynne Biziewski
Isn't it a violation of SM's rules?  We really need to respect them - I
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To get back on topic - I am having the SMOOTHEST cup of Misty... sigh, it's
almost gone.
Gonna miss that baby!
(should not have sent the smiley face.. sorry... impulse)
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(back to packing for my move...)
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11) From: Eddie Dove
Tom did the Police Patrol just two weeks ago ...
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12) From: jim gundlach
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If I recall correctly, Aaron started the last one these also.  On  
that one he kept it going well after Tom called for an end to it.
      Pecan Jim
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If I recall correctly, Aaron =
started the last one these also.  On that one he kept it going well =
after Tom called for an end to it.     Pecan =
Jim
On May 24, 2007, at 6:54 AM, Lynne Biziewski =
wrote:
Isn't it a violation of SM's rules?  We really need to = respect them - I think Tom & Maria have enough on their hands, = w/running a business & taking care of a little one... they don't = need to have to do Police Patrol. To get back on topic - I am = having the SMOOTHEST cup of Misty... sigh, it's almost = gone. Gonna miss that baby! (should not have sent the = smiley face.. sorry... impulse) Lynne (back to packing for = my move...) On 5/24/07, = Leo Zick <leo.zick> = wrote: please please please dont even go down the politics route with = this shit.  it will never end. this list is getting out of = control lately. = On 5/24/07, Lynne Biziewski <lynnebiz> = wrote: : > ) On 5/24/07, Robert = Pearce < robert.pearce> = wrote:

I'm sorry, but you need to check your = facts before you make such statements…

 

"According to a 27 February 2007 article in The Concord Monitor, = "Gore was one of the first politicians to grasp the seriousness of = climate change and to call for a reduction in emissions of carbon = dioxide and other greenhouses gases. He held the first congressional = hearings on the subject in the late 1970s." [58] During his tenure = in Congress, Gore co-sponsored hearings on toxic waste in 1978–79, and = hearings on global warming in the 1980s. [59]

As = Vice President, Gore was a proponent for environmental protection. On Earth Day 1994, Gore launched = the worldwide GLOBE program, a hands-on, = school-based education and science activity that made extensive use of = the Internet to increase student awareness of their environment and = contribute research data for scientists.

In = the late 1990s, Gore strongly pushed = for the passage of the Kyoto Treaty, which called = for reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.[60] [61] However, many of = these proposals were not enacted by Congress, and/or were not = implemented to the satisfaction of critics such as Ralph Nader. [62] In 1998, Senator = Robert Byrd of West Virginia = wrote Resolution S. 98 that expressed concerns about the = Kyoto treaty , and in turn the Senate voted 95 to 0 for the = resolution."

 
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From: homeroast-admin= om [mailto:homeroast-admin= om] On Behalf Of = Justin Marquez Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:42 AM To: homeroast= Subject: Re: Very = OT: Cholesterol (was Re: coffee and cholesterol was +french = press)

 
 

On 5/22/07, = Aaron <beerbong> = wrote:

So... who's responsible for Global Climate Change... Al Gore for = all the hot air he spews, or the standby duty excuse for everything = anyone hates GWB??  I mean...afterall global warming is a = proven *fact* too isn't it???...depending on who funds your grants = that is.  Oops don't look back 30 years ago when it was global = cooling and us plummeting towards the next ice age but we'll = pretend that never happened since it so inconveniently contradicts = our crisis of the moment. Can I blame global warming on = increased cholesterol in my coffee too? Hey... that's an Idea, maybe = I can win a peace (of crap) prize for it.

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Whyizzit that "global warming" is now = suddenly a crisis to Al Gore?  Did we just suddenly get combustion = engines and smokestacks in the last 6 years?  If he'd been worrying = about it whilst he was the VP, perhaps he could actually have DONE = something. "Global Warming" appears to have more to do with politico = "hot air" and obtaining of govt grant money than solid science.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez = (CYPRESS, TX)

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13) From: Ross
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I heard he invented the internet too.
Ross
  On 5/24/07, Robert Pearce  wrote:
    I'm sorry, but you need to check your facts before you make such =
statements…
    "According to a 27 February 2007 article in The Concord Monitor, =
"Gore was one of the first politicians to grasp the seriousness of =
climate change and to call for a reduction in emissions of carbon =
dioxide and other greenhouses gases. He held the first congressional =
hearings on the subject in the late 1970s." [58] During his tenure in =
Congress, Gore co-sponsored hearings on toxic waste in 1978–79, and =
hearings on global warming in the 1980s. [59]
    As Vice President, Gore was a proponent for environmental =
protection. On Earth Day 1994, Gore launched the worldwide GLOBE =
program, a hands-on, school-based education and science activity that =
made extensive use of the Internet to increase student awareness of =
their environment and contribute research data for scientists.
    In the late 1990s, Gore strongly pushed for the passage of the Kyoto =
Treaty, which called for reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.[60] [61] =
However, many of these proposals were not enacted by Congress, and/or =
were not implemented to the satisfaction of critics such as Ralph Nader. =
[62] In 1998, Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia wrote Resolution S. =
98 that expressed concerns about the Kyoto treaty , and in turn the =
Senate voted 95 to 0 for the resolution."
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Justin =
Marquez
    Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:42 AM
    To: homeroast
    Subject: Re: Very OT: Cholesterol (was Re: coffee and cholesterol =
was +french press)
    On 5/22/07, Aaron  wrote: 
    So... who's responsible for Global Climate Change... Al Gore for all =
the
    hot air he spews, or the standby duty excuse for everything anyone =
hates 
    GWB??  I mean...afterall global warming is a proven *fact* too isn't
    it???...depending on who funds your grants that is.  Oops don't look
    back 30 years ago when it was global cooling and us plummeting =
towards 
    the next ice age but we'll pretend that never happened since it so
    inconveniently contradicts our crisis of the moment.
    Can I blame global warming on increased cholesterol in my coffee =
too?
    Hey... that's an Idea, maybe I can win a peace (of crap) prize for =
it. 
    Whyizzit that "global warming" is now suddenly a crisis to Al Gore?  =
Did we just suddenly get combustion engines and smokestacks in the last =
6 years?  If he'd been worrying about it whilst he was the VP, perhaps =
he could actually have DONE something. "Global Warming" appears to have =
more to do with politico "hot air" and obtaining of govt grant money =
than solid science. 
    Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
    Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX) 
  -- 
  "In a world of conflict, the truth must survive."
  Kevin Sites, 9/16/2005 blog 

14) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 5/24/07, Ross  wrote:
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Another urban myth. According to Snopes, Gore never said anything that could
reasonably be interpreted as a claim that he invented the internet:http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.aspBrian

15) From: Brett Mason
Anybody see any discussion of coffee around here?
Brett
On 5/24/07, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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16) From: Rich
Now that idea has a certain merit, deep fried coffee beans.  Max caffein and max coffee oils not to 
mention a great snack food to munch with your favorite adult beverage.  Wonder if they could be 
lightly salted....
Rich
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17) From: Ross
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Brian,
Unfortunately it is not an urban myth yet!  There are a dedicated group =
of people who would like to erase a fact like this from history to make =
it an urban myth.  But many of us have eyes and ears on this one.  I saw =
the debate where Al implied he was the principal individual responsible =
for the "formation of the internet" along with several other fill in the =
blank - major events that thousands of people contributed to.   I =
remember it well, it gave me a five minute belly laugh.    Enough about =
Al Gore,  I do like to roast and brew coffee, and hope to keep getting =
better at it.
Regards,
Ross

18) From: jim gundlach
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What does this have to do with coffee in the least remote way.  If  
this turns into another form where the right wing hate nuts spread  
their lies, I'm leaving.
      Pecan Jim
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What does this have to do with =
coffee in the least remote way.  If this turns into another form where =
the right wing hate nuts spread their lies, I'm leaving.    =
 Pecan Jim
On May 24, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Ross =
wrote:
he was the principal individual responsible for = the "formation of the internet" along with several other fill in the = blank - major events that thousands of people contributed to.   I = remember it well, it gave me a five minute belly laugh.    = Enough about Al Gore,  I do like to roast and brew coffee, and hope to = keep getting better at it.----- Original = Message -----From: Brian = KamnetzTo: homeroastSent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:13 AMSubject: Re: Very OT: Cholesterol (was Re: coffee and cholesterol = was +french press) On 5/24/07, Ross <rdhenne> wrote: = --Apple-Mail-3--124687040--

19) From: jim gundlach
That is it,
     By folks.  There are other places to address this kind of crap.
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20) From: Eddie Dove
Folks,
I beg of you to stop this kind of stuff.  Please respect Tom's recent
post below:
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21) From: Larry Dorman
He's been discussing the problem all along... it's about time you
joined the conversation...
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But, really, back to coffee...  there are many things that we humans
choose to do to and with our bodies that has a negative effect.  The
question is this:  Do you do those things and accept responsibility
for them or do you instead do those things, deny the science, and
effectively shurk the responsibility for your own actions?  Ignorance
is no excuse when one chooses to remain ignorant...
Even more back to coffee...  I accept that it is probably increasing
my cholestorol - especially since I drink primarily press pot these
days.  At the same time, I've come to the conclusion that if I live to
be 70 (I'm almost 37 now), then I've reached my goal in life.
Anything beyond that is just gravy (no pun intended).  My cholestorol
isn't wildly out of control and wouldn't even be on the radar at all
if I weren't diabetic...  so, I'm taking a calculated risk that the
elevated cholestorol that my press pot is giving me is worth it and
will not significantly impact my ability to hit my goal of living to
70.  Quite honestly, my weight is of far greater concern and when I'm
drinking coffee, I'm not eating - so I probably end up with a net
gain.  Perhaps that's my wishful thinking in this case since I really
haven't examined the science behind the statement...  if someone
generously does it for me then I'll evaluate it and take it in stride
- not deny it.
Cheers...

22) From: raymanowen
"...discussion of coffee around here?"
None, other than that Decaf causes ed and flatulence- To think otherwise is
to think otherwise. -ro
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23) From: PJ SEIBER
GOOOOOOOOOOOO Aaron GO and a BIG AMEN

24) From: PJ SEIBER
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25) From: Sandy Andina
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"Junk science" is any scientific theory or hypothesis that  
contravenes one's own political philosophy or threatens one's  
personal enjoyment or income--whether it involves the impact of that  
enjoyment on one's own health or the environment at large.    
"Politico hot air" is a corollary.
  Sure, there has not been incontrovertible proof connecting  
increased burning of fossil fuels with incipient and imminent  
disaster; however, it is undeniable that average temperatures have  
increased both steadily and more rapidly in the past few years, that  
the rise took place contemporaneously with an increase in our ("our"  
being the civilized world's) increased burning of hydrocarbon fuels,  
unusual climatic activity has also occurred contemporaneously with  
that and that there have been dramatic geophysical changes (such as  
receding glaciers and melting icecaps) that have occurred more  
rapidly than normal geo-historical or random phenomena can explain.   
It is a myth that "global warming" causes only warmer weather--to the  
contrary, it illustrates Newton's Law (for every action there is an  
equal and opposite reaction): where there is an untoward rise in  
temperature in one part of the world, increased precipitation, storm  
activity, or unusual cold occurs elsewhere.  Now, is it absolutely  
and incontrovertibly *proven* that these unusual phenomena are caused  
by global warming and that global warming is caused by increased  
burning of hydrocarbons? No--but meteorology and geology are inexact  
sciences, unlike chemistry, math or physics.  IMHO it is best to err  
on the side of caution and try to be as environmentally responsible  
as possible, since the worst thing that can come of that prudence is  
to be proven wrong and inconvenienced.  Once those glaciers and  
icecaps are melted, it'd take another Ice Age to restore them.   
Better to have to "unnecessarily " rein in irresponsible habits than  
to suffer irreparable damage.
That being said, does all that roasting smoke we're producing  
contribute to global warming?  If it does, that particular guilt trip  
ought to earn us frequent flyer miles .
On May 25, 2007, at 7:08 AM, PJ SEIBER wrote:
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"Junk science" is any scientific =
theory or hypothesis that contravenes one's own political philosophy or =
threatens one's personal enjoyment or income--whether it involves the =
impact of that enjoyment on one's own health or the environment at =
large.   "Politico hot air" is a corollary.
 Sure, there has not been = incontrovertible proof connecting increased burning of fossil fuels with = incipient and imminent disaster; however, it is undeniable that average = temperatures have increased both steadily and more rapidly in the past = few years, that the rise took place contemporaneously with an increase = in our ("our" being the civilized world's) increased burning of = hydrocarbon fuels, unusual climatic activity has also occurred = contemporaneously with that and that there have been dramatic = geophysical changes (such as receding glaciers and melting icecaps) that = have occurred more rapidly than normal geo-historical or random = phenomena can explain.  It is a myth that "global warming" causes only = warmer weather--to the contrary, it illustrates Newton's Law (for every = action there is an equal and opposite reaction): where there is an = untoward rise in temperature in one part of the world, increased = precipitation, storm activity, or unusual cold occurs elsewhere.  Now, = is it absolutely and incontrovertibly *proven* that these unusual = phenomena are caused by global warming and that global warming is caused = by increased burning of hydrocarbons? No--but meteorology and geology = are inexact sciences, unlike chemistry, math or physics.  IMHO it is = best to err on the side of caution and try to be as environmentally = responsible as possible, since the worst thing that can come of that = prudence is to be proven wrong and inconvenienced.  Once those = glaciers and icecaps are melted, it'd take another Ice Age to restore = them.  Better to have to "unnecessarily " rein in irresponsible habits = than to suffer irreparable damage.
That being said, does all = that roasting smoke we're producing contribute to global warming?  If = it does, that particular guilt trip ought to earn us frequent flyer = miles <G>. On May 25, 2007, at 7:08 AM, PJ SEIBER = wrote:
----- Original = Message -----From: Justin = MarquezTo: homeroastSent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:42 PMSubject: Re: Very OT: Cholesterol (was Re: coffee and cholesterol = was +french press). "Global Warming" appears to have more = to do with politico "hot air" and obtaining of govt. grant money than = solid science. 
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez = (CYPRESS, TX)


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26) From: Sandy Andina
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Not at all odd. Anything that increases one's appetite (including the  
smells and sights of foods and drinks you enjoy--or which you even  
traditionally associate with the consumption of other stuff you find  
delicious) causes the brain to yell "Incoming!" to your digestive  
system; this in turn signals the pancreas to pump out a spurt of  
insulin to take care of the expected increased hit of carbohydrates.  
The insulin spike not only makes you hungry, but when those expected  
carbs don't show up, you get hypoglycemic--and, in turn, even hungrier.
On May 24, 2007, at 8:33 PM, Aaron wrote:
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Not at all odd. Anything that =
increases one's appetite (including the smells and sights of foods and =
drinks you enjoy--or which you even traditionally associate with the =
consumption of other stuff you find delicious) causes the brain to yell =
"Incoming!" to your digestive system; this in turn signals the pancreas =
to pump out a spurt of insulin to take care of the expected increased =
hit of carbohydrates. The insulin spike not only makes you hungry, but =
when those expected carbs don't show up, you get hypoglycemic--and, in =
turn, even hungrier.
On May 24, 2007, at 8:33 PM, Aaron =
wrote:

odd thing = on that though,  when I = wake up in the morning, and smell a fresh brewed cup of coffee, = sometimes it makes me hungry as hell the smell of the coffee

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27) From: Brett Mason
If we could just speed up the Earth's rotation a bit, and increase the angle
on its rotational axis, I believe we would better control the direct and
indirect heating/cooling of this planet, and could achieve such management
of the glacial regions as you suggest.
All we need now is legislation.
Until such legislation passes, can we please talk about coffee?
Thanks,
Brett
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28) From: Eddie Dove
How again is this related to coffee or even the subject, which was
coffee and cholesterol?
Please respect Tom's request below:
On 5/10/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
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