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1) From: Jason
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2) From: raymanowen
Agreed, they are. -ro

3) From: Brett Mason
Some might agree - other's may well disagree.
I think your treatment of the subject was a bit lacking...
Brett
On 5/24/07, Jason  wrote:
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4) From: Eddie Dove
Jason,
These types of "baiting" posts can be very polarizing and
inflammatory.  Please respect Tom's request below:
On 5/10/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
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Eddie
On 5/24/07, Jason  wrote:
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5) From: raymanowen
The Subject was Grinders. Specifically, Expensive Grinders. You know the
drill, a low priced grinder can wreck the labor spent in every other step of
the process. Hence, it's ...
OTOH, I had sunk nearly 2Bills before I became aware that I was allowing
advertising palaver to paint a picture in my imagination. That's the goal of
advertising, and while the copy may be technically true, the alleged mind of
the reader is free to expand and amplify.
I have developed an inviolable standard re: grinders. Since it's a milling
machine, I should not be able to hold mine in a single hand at arm's length.
While I'm not a machinist, every one that I've known inspects his work to
make sure it is exactly what he wanted. He sure doesn't include the chips
when he delivers the piece he's machined. (unless they're requested) Coffee
grinders all do that to some extent.
My Honey and I decided my first alternative grinder would be a Mahlkoenig
Kenia, up to a refurb brute with a three phase motor, the whole thing
weighing just shy of 100#. Thanks to miKe, I got a Mazzer Major and a new
set of burrs, in spite of eBay. Brown was still sweating when he brought the
Mazzer up the front walk. Saved me $3Big.
Is a cheap grinder >Good Enough< for your roasted coffee? How cheap is still
Good Enough? How much is your time worth- are you cheap, and your cheapo
grinder costing like Hell?
"Some might agree - other's [others] may well disagree." What a surprise.
Enjoy your coffee!
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

6) From: Larry Johnson
I guess I'm going to have to find a way to try a side-by-side comparison of
coffees ground with my Solis Maestro and something more grand, like a Mazzer
or a Rocky. I brew with Aeropress, Moka pot, French press, SwissGold
pourover, and drip (Presto Scandi) - no espresso.
I read all the discussions about grinders and I truly believe you guys know
what you're talking about (you certainly know more about it than I do) but I
hear two messages: One says that if you're not doing espresso, you won't
taste a difference between SM and Rocky, etc. Another says that one loses a
third to one-half of the benefit of the our quality coffees by grinding in
something less than a Rocky, etc, no matter what the brew method. Obviously,
I'm confused. I want to reap the full benefit of Tom's arduous labors and my
good fortune in finding Sweet Maria's in the first place, but I don't want
to spend >$450 and find that I can taste no difference in the cup.
Anybody have a Mazzer Mini or Rocky they could loan me for a week?
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Larry J
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Mickey Friedman

7) From: MichaelB
Larry,
If you've read the discussions you must have noticed this factoid: Nobody
who has finally moved up to a quality grinder has regretted their decision.
Mostly the regret is not having done it sooner. So I for one will not loan
you my Mazzer Mini because I know you would not give it back until you got
one of your own.
On 5/25/07, Larry Johnson  wrote:
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MichaelB

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I've said many times IMO the Maestro does a good job grinding other than for
non espresso or finer (Turkish) grinding duties. With the caveat you keep
the burrs sharp by periodically replacing which is needed with ANY grinder,
including multi thousand dollar grinders. Frequency depends on usage of
course. I suggest 50 to 100# ground with the Maestro. If grinding for
espresso 50# max. And both upper and lower burrs must be replaced at the
same time or you are wasting your time and money.
 
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first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Larry Johnson
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:25 AM
I guess I'm going to have to find a way to try a side-by-side comparison of
coffees ground with my Solis Maestro and something more grand, like a Mazzer
or a Rocky. I brew with Aeropress, Moka pot, French press, SwissGold
pourover, and drip (Presto Scandi) - no espresso. 
I read all the discussions about grinders and I truly believe you guys know
what you're talking about (you certainly know more about it than I do) but I
hear two messages: One says that if you're not doing espresso, you won't
taste a difference between SM and Rocky, etc. Another says that one loses a
third to one-half of the benefit of the our quality coffees by grinding in
something less than a Rocky, etc, no matter what the brew method. Obviously,
I'm confused. I want to reap the full benefit of Tom's arduous labors and my
good fortune in finding Sweet Maria's in the first place, but I don't want
to spend >$450 and find that I can taste no difference in the cup. 
Anybody have a Mazzer Mini or Rocky they could loan me for a week?
-- 
Larry J
Never give a party if you will be the most interesting person there.  -
Mickey Friedman

9) From: Brett Mason
OK, Well .....
I've also said it many times - Get a Zassenhaus, used on eBay, or new when
they become available, and get some good grinding done now...  $50 will do
very nicely for you, with the quality you need to achieve the epitome of
great coffee in your cup!
Brett
On 5/25/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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10) From: Les
Brett,
I agree 100% on the Zass.  We used one for the last 2 weeks on the
trip to Montana and  it made wonderful coffee.  Mike is spot on too.
Burrs need to be replaced.  The nice thing about the Mazzar Major is
you are looking at replacement at around 500 pounds of coffee.  The
other advice I have is keep your grinder clean!  Clean burrs last
longer.
Les
On 5/25/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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11) From: raymanowen
Larry, you certainly >WILL< taste the difference in the cup. I urge you to
make the maximum increment in grinder quality that you can financially
support, not a lateral move. A grinder worth any space in your coffee
brewery is a precision machine that will process coffee beans exactly the
way you desire with nothing else added that you don't want.
How can you test the extraction of a particular size of coffee ground when
the grinder is giving a variety at every setting? That's no way to brew
coffee with any machine.
My first suggestion would be to start with a new set of Virtuoso burrs in
your Maestro. I really think the Virtuoso burrs are enough of an improvement
over standard Maestro burrs that
it's worth doing the minimal expense upgrade. They're easy to install, but
you have to install the burrs as a set. The lower burr is left-hand threaded
onto its spindle. Bump it clockwise to loosen it, spin it off and spin on
the new one.
The upper burr mounts the same as the original. Pry the nylon carrier off
the old burr and snap it on the new Virt burr and reinstall. Ditto the nylon
seal in the groove on the burr. It's just like a piston ring.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?

12) From: Brett Mason
Larry, I disagree with RayO.  Your financial evaluations are paramount, even
if your choices mean your coffee sucks.  Get whatever preground you like,
and spend NOTHIN on a grinder - that's the BEST recommendation I can come up
with for you.
See, it's YOUR preferences that matter most!!!!
Actually the only saving grace is you are (apparently) buying from the best
source, Sweet Maria's...  But then, hanging out here is free.  Disregard
people who talk about taste, body, aroma and/or nuance.  They wasted their
money on a decent grinder - but OH NO, you didn't succumb....  Wise Man you
are...
Brett
Maybe it's Folgers - something special in your cup.  And after all the
grinder DOES cost money, and that's way too much to expect from a prudent
buyer....
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13) From: Brett Mason
OK Larry, so what's your address - offlist please
Brett
On 5/25/07, Larry Johnson  wrote:
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