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Topic: How much is a grinder worth? (5 msgs / 157 lines)
1) From: jim gundlach
deylat1.1* wrote in part:
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  After a couple years on the watch and many hours searching, I was  
able to buy a misnamed and awful looking Mazzer Major for about  
$60.00 on eBay.  I replaced the burrs and the hopper for another $100  
or so and cleaned it up.  I now have a grinder that functions as well  
as a new one that lists for $1700.00.  However, for home use I don't  
think the Major offers many advantages over the Mini which I recall  
costs about $425.00. Not many people will get that kind of deal but I  
know of one list member who got a better deal that I did.  When I got  
the Major, I replaced a $300.00 Rocky and the Major does do a better  
job than the Rocky did and while a Rocky will last a long time, the  
Major will last a long long long time.  The largest advantage I found  
with the Major is infinite grind adjustment rather than rather large  
steps which I now consider essential to dial in my shots.  It is one  
of those things you don't really think about and cannot appreciate  
until you have it and play with it.
    However, the key question is:  How much is a grinder worth?  The  
answer has to be somewhat individual.  If you are going to extract by  
espresso techniques, you need a much better grinder than if you are  
using others.  I do believe that an even grind with minimum dust is  
critical to let any brewing method, except Turkish which uses all  
dust, to let any decent coffee approach its taste potential.  The way  
I look at it, the home roasted coffees I get from Tom are one of the  
great pleasures in my life.  The folks who grow, harvest, and process  
this coffee put a lot of their lives into it.  They do good work and  
like all good work it deserves respect.  The same can be said for Tom  
and Maria's efforts.  I strive to do as well in roasting, grinding,  
and brewing as those who brought me those little green packages of  
potentially wonderful flavors.  Over the years I have tried thousands  
of combinations of roasting, grinding, and brewing and with all that  
experience and guidance from many very helpful  members of this list,  
I feel that I now threat the product of their good work with adequate  
respect.  But, how do you put a dollar value to the grinder.  I would  
say that my pre-Rocky grinders destroyed between a half and a third  
of the quality in the taste of the coffee I drank then.  And in the  
espresso, the Rocky destroyed a good ten percent of the quality I get  
with the Major.  Since I have passed my older coffee toys on to my  
kids, I get to experience them again so I feel I have a good feel for  
their effect on the flavor of my coffees.
   But putting a dollar value on them calls for looking as what you  
get for a dollar in other areas of the marked.  I have some recent  
experiences that allow me to make just such a comparison.  My wife  
and I have recently bought new hatchback economy cars, I got a Toyota  
Yaris and my wife got a Honda Fit.  Both cars offer a basic and a  
upgraded version.  The upgraded versions of both include things like  
cruse control, electric windows, remote locks, split back seat, and a  
few other things.  The upgrade versions costs about $2,000 more than  
the basic version.  My wife got the upgrade and I did not and since I  
drive both cars a fair amount I regularly experience the difference.   
The bottom line is I would give up the quality of life gained from  
the car upgrade several times before I would give up the quality of  
life gained from a "reasonable grinder".
        Pecan Jim
On May 24, 2007, at 9:16 AM, deylat1.1 wrote:

2) From: Les
Jim said,
"However, for home use I don't think the Major offers many advantages over
the Mini which I recall costs about $425.00. Not many people will get that
kind of deal but I
know of one list member who got a better deal that I did."  Well, I am the
guy that got even a better deal.  I would agree except the Major and Super
Jolly grind much faster and you don't have to replace burrs as often.  When
one considers the expensive of high quality beans, a good roaster and good
brewing equipment, $500-$700 for a grinder isn't unreasonable.  That grinder
could ruin everything about the brewing process.  For less money, a good
Zass will make a good grind.  My kids have Zass grinders and they were blown
away by the difference in their brews.  I would say there is little
difference between a Major and a Super Jolly.  I have owned both.  You can
get a good used SJ for a good price and it will last a life time.  My next
buy is going to be a Mazzer Koni at well over a grand.  I don't know how
long I am going to have to save up, but that is how important I think the
grinder is.
Les
On 5/24/07, jim gundlach  wrote:
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3) From: jim gundlach
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On May 24, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Les wrote:
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I'm thinking the same.  My consulting money, now that I'm retired,  
will be divided into three bags full, one for the master (paying down  
bills), one for the dame (taxes) and one for the little boy down the  
lane (that's me for my toys like the Koni).
       Pecan Jim
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My next buy is = going to be a Mazzer Koni at well over a = grand. I'm thinking the same.  My = consulting money, now that I'm retired, will be divided into three bags = full, one for the master (paying down bills), one for the dame (taxes) = and one for the little boy down the lane (that's me for my toys like the = Koni).      Pecan Jim = --Apple-Mail-1--135648581--

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have not seen the masser koni?
will go look right now!
anyone wanna by a mini in perfect condition?
ginny
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5) From: Floyd Lozano
Hey for an extra 2200 you can get the Robur instead of the Kony!  Course you
may have to remove some cabinets, the thing is almost as tall as my
daughter!  sure hope you can turn off the autogrind feature too, seems like
a pain.
-F
On 5/24/07, jim gundlach  wrote:
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