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Topic: Lower gout risk for coffee lovers (14 msgs / 468 lines)
1) From: George
I'm safe here is guess.  Everyday I drink at least 14 to 16 cups and
possibly more some weekend days.  I do have some heart problems, murmur.
Leaking valves, and recently they found an aortic heart problem.  
But going on 59 in a couple of months, I'm not about to quit my coffee it=
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bad enough I quit smoking and started eating a lot better this year.
Geo  
 
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2) From: susan oppenheim
This is from the BBC News site-I wonder how many people  drink at least 4
cups a day-Susan
Lower gout risk for coffee lovers
Drinking four or more cups of coffee a day may cut the risk of having a
painful attack of gout, say Canadian scientists.
  
Coffee's action appeared to be unrelated to caffeine
A University of British Columbia team found blood uric acid levels - which
are linked to the condition - were lower in people who drank more coffee.
But tea had no measurable effect, suggesting that the active ingredient was
not caffeine. 
The work is published in the journal Arthritis Care and Research.
Condition of the joints
Gout affects about 600,000 people in the UK, with numbers thought to be
increasing in recent years.
Its symptoms, which are often joint pains in the lower limbs, happen when
uric acid crystallises out of the blood into the joints.
Drinking too much beer, or eating too much red meat are thought to be to
blame for many cases.
The main way to tackle the condition is to take anti-inflammatory pills,
change diet and drink more water, or in more severe cases, to take more
powerful drugs to reduce uric acid levels in the blood.
The latest research looked at the eating habits of 14,000 men and women
between 1988 and 1994.
This information was compared with the results from blood tests for uric
acid. 
No caffeine link 
The researchers found that those who drank four or more coffees a day were
more likely to have a much lower uric acid level in the blood, compared wit=
h
those who drank one or fewer cups.
Tea had no measurable effect but decaffeinated coffee did, suggesting that
the active ingredient was not caffeine.
The team claim that coffee drinking can lead to lower insulin levels in the
blood, and that there is an established link between higher insulin levels
and higher uric acid levels.
The results back the findings of an earlier, much smaller, Japanese study.
Dr Andrew Bamji, a consultant rheumatologist and President of the British
Society of Rheumatology, said: "There is no reason why coffee consumption
shouldn't have an effect on blood uric acid levels - although this is the
first study I've seen which comes to this conclusion."
However, he said that there was no certainty that high blood uric acid
levels - the only test carried out by the researchers - would cause gout.
"Some people have elevated uric acid levels throughout life without ever
having an attack of gout," he said.

3) From: Ken Mary
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In a nutshell, this is medical establishment standard procedure. Always
avoid curing the "disease", only treat symptoms in order to preserve the
"permanent patient" status.
There is a definite possibility that gout is a fungal disease. It has been
stated on several health related tv shows that uric acid cannot be produced
by the human body. Sorry I have no links to back up this statement.
This link does state the fungal cause and CURE:http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Fungal-Mycotoxin%20Connection/index.htm
Also on the same site is an interesting article on MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS:http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Sunshine%20Deficiency%20Diseases/index.htm
Coffee, in addition to antioxidant polyphenols may also contain substances
that are antifungal. Coffee may not be a good source of antioxidants and
antifungals, but such huge quantities are consumed, that it is one of the
major contributors of such substances to the diet. Better sources of
antifungals are fresh raw fruits and vegetables, coconut oil, and oregano.
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4) From: Leo Zick
so rather than eat healthy to begin with, avoid large amounts of meats, that
seem to inflame gout, mask it with large amounts of coffee?  hmmm, coffee or
veggies.. wish we were all faced with that decision!
well, i guess thats one approach!
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5) From: Aaron
why would you have to take drugs to reduce the uric acid in your blood.  
Doesn't the liver / kidneys have the ability to filter this out 
themselves?  If so, then why not just drink the water and pee more and 
flush it out without the drugs?  Or possibly there's a food out there 
that helps, eat that instead and avoid the drugs..
Just my thoughts
Aaron

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Thanks Susan,
ginny
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7) From: Leo Zick
Thanks for thanking Susan, Ginny.
leo
On 5/26/07, pchforever  wrote:
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8) From: deylat1.1
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I do't  be;irve  anyone knows.Ido drink my four cups: before noon but 
have  not  found  a positive(reduction ofLDL, elevation of HDL)effect on
my Cholesterol levels
Imaterial to me;Inever classified coffee as a drug although cafeine as an
additive  to some Nsaids  improves the  efficacy of the product(In the 
absence of independent  data  makes  me wonder. maybeI'll query the Mayo
clinic site and WebMD to scratch for a non commercial truth)
  ode on an espresso cup
 the  absolute  truth
First, there is your truth
Then, there is his  truth
 finally  there  is MY truth and THAT, sweet  sister
is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH
bET YOU'RE TOO YOUNG  TO HAVE  SEEN THE ligget & 
Myers advertisment:
 'Smoke Chesterfield, they'r good  for  you!' 
 And so are fried chicken livers
and fried pork cracklins  . . .
Bon apetit
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I do't  be;irve  anyone knows.Ido drink my four cups: before=
 noon 
but  have  not  found  a positive(reduction ofLDL, =
elevation 
of HDL)effect on my Cholesterol levels
Imaterial to me;Inever classified coffee as a drug although cafeine as=
 an 
additive  to some Nsaids  improves the  efficacy of the 
product(In the  absence of independent  data  makes  me=
 
wonder. maybeI'll query the Mayo clinic site and WebMD to scratch for a non=
 
commercial truth)
  ode on an espresso cup
 the  absolute  truth
First, there is your truth
Then, there is his  truth
 finally  there  is MY truth and THAT,=
 
sweet  sister
is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH
bET YOU'RE TOO YOUNG  TO HAVE  SEEN THE ligget &=
 
Myers advertisment:
 'Smoke Chesterfield, they'r good  for  
you!' 
 And so are fried chicken livers
and fried pork cracklins  . . .
Bon apetit
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9) From: deylat1.1
right on: as long  as a single  dollar bill remains in circulation
there'll be  a pill to cure everything, including bad government

10) From: Aaron
since we are listing foods that are good for you, don't forget scrapple.
Some folks have said they drink a dozen or more cups of coffee a day.  I 
wonder what all that caffeine is doing for them overall.
I know that each cup and bean will vary greatly in the caffeine content 
depending on many factors, but a general ballpark number.  How much 
caffeine is in a oh, lets try and say   *average* cup of coffee.  
milligrans?  grams?
Just curious as to how much this caffeine adds to any meds that folks 
might have to take for their various conditions that may have a good 
caff shot in them too.
Aaron

11) From: Jeff Oien
Aaron wrote:
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This may help:http://coffeefaq.com/site/node/22JeffO

12) From: Aaron
Leo and if you are a kid then your answer is already given to you.
Eat your vegetables!!!
No you CANT have coffee... it'll stunt your growth!!  Have a soda 
instead ....
Aaron

13) From: deylat1.1
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in my  younger days in Europe the medical pundits blamed venison and
other wildgame  meats for  gout(pheasnts in particular as they are often
eaten at the  edge of putrefaction ( phaisandé in French, meaning meat
starting to smell as if ready  to rot.the most rabid  afficionados  hang
the  birds(pheasant, grouse, etc by the  beakuntil the body falls off.I
understn tht tht is what one has to do to be able  to eat wild boar(I've
hasd razorback meat and I can live  sans boar meat forever
 Some"connaisseurs inn our country like their  steaks this  way:'well
aged'they claim, me I smell 'spoiled' matter  of taste I guess. Hell in
the auver in central France, th locals don't et their mgnificent Blue
cheese(bleu d'auvergne- beats even real roquefort. until pin worms
appear; better them than me!
Baby face Anastasia  running, trying to catch up with her  nipples be 
hard  atthe front of  her big tits . .....PerhapsIf  you  kissed them . .
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in my  younger days in Europe the medical pundits blamed venison =
and 
other wildgame  meats for  gout(pheasnts in particular as they =
are 
often eaten at the  edge of putrefaction ( phaisandé =
in 
French, meaning meat starting to smell as if ready  to rot.the most 
rabid  afficionados  hang the  birds(pheasant, grouse, etc =
by 
the  beakuntil the body falls off.I understn tht tht is what one has =
to do 
to be able  to eat wild boar(I've hasd razorback meat and I can live&=
nbsp; 
sans boar meat forever
 Some"connaisseurs inn our country like their  steaks 
this  way:'well aged'they claim, me I smell 'spoiled' matter  of =
taste 
I guess. Hell in the auver in central France, th locals don't et their 
mgnificent Blue cheese(bleu d'auvergne- beats even real roquefort. until =
pin 
worms appear; better them than me!
Baby face Anastasia  running, trying to catch up with her  
nipples be  hard  atthe front of  her big tits . 
.....PerhapsIf  you  kissed them . . . .
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14) From: Brett Mason
You're killing me with your font surprises...
Any chance you can get a free GMAIL account, or Yahoo, or Hotmail, or
similar?  Just out of kindness for little old me?
Cheers,
Brett
On 5/26/07, deylat1.1  wrote:
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