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1) From: Wayne
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Thanks to all for your advise. I am going to give the Kona a try this  
eve. Rich, I truly appreciate your profile offer but I am using a  
Hottop roaster that I can program a profile but I believe the times a  
temp might be different.
Cheers! Wayne
Wayne-
As far as roast level goes, I take Kona to just before second or
maybe just a few seconds into it. Comes out great. What type of
method are you using? If, by chance, you have an IR2 I will gladly
share my Kona profile. Whatever your method, careful with those
beans. I really don't enjoy Kona unless they're roasted just right.
Seems to me that there's a very small window to hit with these. Good
luck!
Rich M
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Thanks to all for =
your advise. I am going to give the Kona a try this eve. Rich, I =
truly appreciate your profile offer but I am using a Hottop roaster =
that I can program a profile but I believe the times a temp might =
be different.
= Cheers! Wayne



As far as roast level goes, I = take Kona to just before second ormaybe just a = few seconds into it. Comes out great. What type ofmethod are you using? If, by chance, you have an IR2 = I will gladlyshare my Kona profile. Whatever = your method, careful with thosebeans. I = really don't enjoy Kona unless they're roasted just right.Seems to me that there's a very small window to hit = with these. Goodluck! Rich = M
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2) From: miKe mcKoffee
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IMO also give it a minimum 2 days rest and full complexity usually doesn't
shine until 4 or 5 days rest. Often 7 or 8 days seems to be the absolute
flavor peak. (That is with vacuumed mason jar roast storage.) But that's
just my opinion based on roasting and brewing 200+ pounds Kona the past 6
years:-)
 
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:00 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Kona Roast
Thanks to all for your advise. I am going to give the Kona a try this eve.
Rich, I truly appreciate your profile offer but I am using a Hottop roaster
that I can program a profile but I believe the times a temp might be
different.
Cheers! Wayne
Wayne-
As far as roast level goes, I take Kona to just before second or
maybe just a few seconds into it. Comes out great. What type of
method are you using? If, by chance, you have an IR2 I will gladly
share my Kona profile. Whatever your method, careful with those
beans. I really don't enjoy Kona unless they're roasted just right.
Seems to me that there's a very small window to hit with these. Good
luck!
Rich M

3) From: Aaron
I have to agree with Mike on this one.   Kona takes its sweet time fully 
devoloping the flavors.  Mind you now, you won't get a bad cup with only 
2 days rest, but it taste sooooo much better waiting longer imho.  I 
like mine at about a week resting.
Aaron

4) From: Greg
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I just ordered an IR2 and have some Kona that I have from a previous order.
I am very new to roasting and have been roasting  with the WB Popper. I do
not want to mess up a roast with this nice Kona, Rich would you mind sharing
your IR2 profile with me? Thanks
Greg
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:00 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Kona Roast
Thanks to all for your advise. I am going to give the Kona a try this eve.
Rich, I truly appreciate your profile offer but I am using a Hottop roaster
that I can program a profile but I believe the times a temp might be
different.
Cheers! Wayne
Wayne-
As far as roast level goes, I take Kona to just before second or
maybe just a few seconds into it. Comes out great. What type of
method are you using? If, by chance, you have an IR2 I will gladly
share my Kona profile. Whatever your method, careful with those
beans. I really don't enjoy Kona unless they're roasted just right.
Seems to me that there's a very small window to hit with these. Good
luck!
Rich M

5) From: Rich M
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No problem at all. Like I told Larry, I'll get it to you Wednesday.  
FWIW, I agree with the others that several days develops the body of  
this bean. Talk to you soon!
Rich M
On May 27, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Greg wrote:
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No problem at all. Like I told =
Larry, I'll get it to you Wednesday. FWIW, I agree with the others that =
several days develops the body of this bean. Talk to you soon!
Rich M On May = 27, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Greg wrote:

I just ordered = an IR2 and have some Kona that I have from a previous order. I am very = new to roasting and have been roasting  with the WB Popper. I do not = want to mess up a roast with this nice Kona, Rich would you mind sharing = your IR2 profile with me? Thanks

Greg

 

homeroast-admin= s.sweetmarias.com [mailto:homeroast-adm= in] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:00 PM
To: homeroast= s.com
Subject: +Kona Roast

 

Thanks to all = for your advise. I am going to give the Kona a try this eve. Rich, I = truly appreciate your profile offer but I am using a Hottop roaster = that I can program a profile but I believe the times a temp might = be different.

Cheers! Wayne

 

 

 

 

Wayne-As far as roast level goes, I take Kona to just = before second or

maybe just a few seconds into it. Comes out great. = What type of

method are you using? If, by chance, you have an IR2 = I will gladly

share my Kona profile. Whatever your method, careful = with those

beans. I really don't enjoy Kona unless they're = roasted just right.

Seems to me that there's a very small window to hit = with these. Good

luck!

 

Rich M 


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6) From: Ross
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Greg,
The IR2 is a great home roaster. There is a lot of info in the archives =
on the IRoast. I would suggest you try it with some other beans before =
you do the KONA.  My experience with the IRoast has been that it is very =
sensitive to batch size and voltage variances.  There is no magic =
profile that is going to work the same on every machine so don't trust =
your Kona to anyone else's profile. Based on some of the Kona roast =
suggestions that have been listed here by experienced Kona roasters. (FC =
to FC+)  I would start with something like this: 
Use 1/2 cup of greens
350 X5
380X2
410X3
You will have to terminate the roast with the cool button when it is =
where you want it.  It is unlikely that your voltage or Roast will be =
too slow for this profile but if you are nearing the end of the time in =
the third program you can extend the program.  Then on subsequent roasts =
just put lots of extra time in the program, because you will be =
terminating with the cool button all the time anyway.
There is nothing special about this profile except it will give you a =
chance to ramp the temperature up at a reasonable rate vs. too fast, =
which is the easiest mistake to make with the Roast, depending on your =
line voltage and roast size.  Even though the last temp is only 410 the =
beans will continue to heat way past that temperature so be ready on the =
cool button.
Cool the roast as soon as you hear the first sign of 2nd crack or at a =
time after 1st crack that the beans start showing some of the signs of =
reaching a FC to FC+ roast (look at the SM website for roast =
information)  whichever occurs first. 
Kona beans roast beautifully, they swell up nicely and are a very good =
looking roast. Have fun with it, good luck.
Regards,
Ross

7) From: Rich M
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Greg & Larry-
I got my profile for Kona (Purple Mountain in my case) for you guys  
to try. Please remember that all sorts of things will factor in as  
far as results go. Things like voltage, ambient temp, and just the  
roaster itself. This profile is pretty straightforward and shorter  
than I thought would work, but for whatever reason, my stuff turns  
out great. Here goes:
340 x 3min, 385 x 3min, 440 x2min.  I let it run through the whole  
cycle.
Basically, I let it go through first crack...pause.... then second  
starts very suddenly. The cool mode comes on about 10 seconds after  
it starts. This is where you have to be careful. For me, this  
produces a nice even roast with a milk chocolate  color with no oil  
showing at all. It's real easy to get a very dark roast in a very  
short period of time at this point. When it comes out of the roaster,  
I dump it in a collander that's been in the freezer and just swish it  
around a bit. One more thing.. I only use about 1/2 cup of greens.  
They expand quite a bit.
As others have said, I think resting this 4 days (or thereabouts) is  
a very good idea. I think it benefits alot from the rest.
Hope this works out for ya. Let me know once you give it a whirl!
Rich M
ps remember, if you feel it's not quite done, you can extend the  
roast time as long as you haven't entered the cooling mode.
On May 27, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Greg wrote:
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Greg & Larry-I got my =
profile for Kona (Purple Mountain in my case) for you guys to try. =
Please remember that all sorts of things will factor in as far as =
results go. Things like voltage, ambient temp, and just the roaster =
itself. This profile is pretty straightforward and shorter than I =
thought would work, but for whatever reason, my stuff turns out great. =
Here goes:340 x 3min, 385 x 3min, 440 x2min.  I let it run =
through the whole cycle.
Basically, I let it go = through first crack...pause.... then second starts very suddenly. The = cool mode comes on about 10 seconds after it starts. This is where you = have to be careful. For me, this produces a nice even roast with a milk = chocolate  color with no oil showing at all. It's real easy to get a = very dark roast in a very short period of time at this point. When it = comes out of the roaster, I dump it in a collander that's been in the = freezer and just swish it around a bit. One more thing.. I only use = about 1/2 cup of greens. They expand quite a bit.
As others have said, I = think resting this 4 days (or thereabouts) is a very good idea. I think = it benefits alot from the rest.
Hope this works out for ya. = Let me know once you give it a whirl!
Rich Mps = remember, if you feel it's not quite done, you can extend the roast time = as long as you haven't entered the cooling = mode. On May 27, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Greg = wrote:

I just ordered = an IR2 and have some Kona that I have from a previous order. I am very = new to roasting and have been roasting  with the WB Popper. I do not = want to mess up a roast with this nice Kona, Rich would you mind sharing = your IR2 profile with me? Thanks

Greg

 

homeroast-admin= s.sweetmarias.com [mailto:homeroast-adm= in] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:00 PM
To: homeroast= s.com
Subject: +Kona Roast

 

Thanks to all = for your advise. I am going to give the Kona a try this eve. Rich, I = truly appreciate your profile offer but I am using a Hottop roaster = that I can program a profile but I believe the times a temp might = be different.

Cheers! Wayne

 

 

 

 

Wayne-As far as roast level goes, I take Kona to just = before second or

maybe just a few seconds into it. Comes out great. = What type of

method are you using? If, by chance, you have an IR2 = I will gladly

share my Kona profile. Whatever your method, careful = with those

beans. I really don't enjoy Kona unless they're = roasted just right.

Seems to me that there's a very small window to hit = with these. Good

luck!

 

Rich M 


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8) From: Larry Johnson
Thanks, Rich. I'll try it and let you know how it goes as soon as Hearthware
returns my repaired power base. Until then, I'm doing Mysore in the bread
machine.
On 5/30/07, Rich M  wrote:
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9) From: Greg
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Thanks also Rich, awaiting on shipment of my iRoast to test out on these
profiles. Will report back when I'm up and roasting J
Thanks again
Greg
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:33 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Kona Roast
Thanks, Rich. I'll try it and let you know how it goes as soon as Hearthware
returns my repaired power base. Until then, I'm doing Mysore in the bread
machine. 
On 5/30/07, Rich M  wrote:
Greg & Larry-
I got my profile for Kona (Purple Mountain in my case) for you guys to try.
Please remember that all sorts of things will factor in as far as results
go. Things like voltage, ambient temp, and just the roaster itself. This
profile is pretty straightforward and shorter than I thought would work, but
for whatever reason, my stuff turns out great. Here goes: 
340 x 3min, 385 x 3min, 440 x2min.  I let it run through the whole cycle.
Basically, I let it go through first crack...pause.... then second starts
very suddenly. The cool mode comes on about 10 seconds after it starts. This
is where you have to be careful. For me, this produces a nice even roast
with a milk chocolate  color with no oil showing at all. It's real easy to
get a very dark roast in a very short period of time at this point. When it
comes out of the roaster, I dump it in a collander that's been in the
freezer and just swish it around a bit. One more thing.. I only use about
1/2 cup of greens. They expand quite a bit. 
As others have said, I think resting this 4 days (or thereabouts) is a very
good idea. I think it benefits alot from the rest.
Hope this works out for ya. Let me know once you give it a whirl! 
Rich M
ps remember, if you feel it's not quite done, you can extend the roast time
as long as you haven't entered the cooling mode.
On May 27, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Greg wrote:
I just ordered an IR2 and have some Kona that I have from a previous order.
I am very new to roasting and have been roasting  with the WB Popper. I do
not want to mess up a roast with this nice Kona, Rich would you mind sharing
your IR2 profile with me? Thanks 
Greg
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:00 PM
To: homeroast 
Subject: +Kona Roast
Thanks to all for your advise. I am going to give the Kona a try this eve.
Rich, I truly appreciate your profile offer but I am using a Hottop roaster
that I can program a profile but I believe the times a temp might be
different. 
Cheers! Wayne 
Wayne-
As far as roast level goes, I take Kona to just before second or
maybe just a few seconds into it. Comes out great. What type of
method are you using? If, by chance, you have an IR2 I will gladly
share my Kona profile. Whatever your method, careful with those
beans. I really don't enjoy Kona unless they're roasted just right. 
Seems to me that there's a very small window to hit with these. Good
luck!
Rich M
-- 
Larry J
Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me, but deep down I
know that's not true. Some smaller countries are neutral.
- Robert Orben

10) From: Tim Carter
Hi, I've been offlist for a while, due to a brutal work schedule, but 
got home for a few days and am catching up on my roasting and reading.
I ran into a surprise when roasting a batch of Kona - Moki's Farm.  I 
started with 15.85 oz of greens, slow-ramped to FC+ for a total roast 
time of 18m15s (HG/BM).  A little longer than I expected, but the beans 
looked good, smelled good.  Cooled, bagged, and weighed.  Total end 
weight--6.50 oz.  This is way outside any of my other batches on weight 
loss.  If I start with 16 oz, I typically end up from 12 to 14 oz.  Has 
anybody else encountered this with this bean or others?
I just drank a FP cup of it and it is very good; smooth, heavy body, 
very gentle.  I don't think I would drink a steady diet of it (I'm an 
IMV lover), but there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with this batch 
from a taste perspective.
Thoughts?
Tim
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11) From: miKe mcKoffee
15.85oz greens yielding 6.5oz roasted? Check your scale or your eyes. Never
seen over 50% weight loss literally thousands of roasts, hundreds of Kona
roasts. Very seldom over 20% weight loss and usually less.
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12) From: Gary Foster
I've averaged about a 16.5% weight loss on all my roasts thus far
(admittedly nowhere near Mike's thousands... I'm still in the dozens).
 That does sound a bit high to me though.
-- Gary F.
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13) From: Tim Carter
Mike,
Thanks, that's what I thought, too.  So I roasted 16.0 oz of Yemen Mohka 
Mattari to FC+.  Weight afterwards: 13.45 oz.  The Kona beans expanded a 
great deal and are very light, bean-for-bean, compared to the  Yemen.  
Hey, the Kona tastes good, but I was more curious if it was worth the 
price premium over beans I know I like (answer: no).  I only bought a 
pound and will be unlikely to roast it again (although I'd have no 
problem drinking a proffered cup).  I guess the weight loss will remain 
one of life's little mysteries.
Tim
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