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Topic: get ready to win the RK Drum (31 msgs / 610 lines)
1) From:
ready, set, go on June 1, 2007 for the "Greatest Home Roaster Building Contest on Earth" and OFF PLANET...
sign up, thanks to Maria and Tom (and Ben) for letting us post this contest.
thanks,
ginny
homeroasters.org

2) From: Brett Mason
Hey this looks really cool...  I've been meaning to put in place an update
to the roaster I built a couple years ago....
And, Thanks Tom!
Brett
On 5/30/07, pchforever  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

3) From: Eddie Dove
Woah!  Those are some nice prizes in addition to the RK Drum!
So the doors open midnight tonight at
Homeroasters.org
?
Eddie
-- 
Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est
Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 5/30/07, pchforever  wrote:
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Contest on Earth" and OFF PLANET...
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contest.
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4) From: Alchemist John
Huh, I was kind of thinking the opposite.  That's all?  Assuming you 
win the top prize, you would have built a damn fine roaster - why 
would you need/want an RK at that point?  Not even the motor to go 
with the drum.  Now, if the top prize was a Dietrich 1 lb sample 
roaster, THEN we would be talking.
To each his own...
At 04:56 5/31/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

5) From:
now Jon, if you enter your moded popper, a drum would be a fantastic prize.
ginny
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6) From: Eddie Dove
As I understand it, the prizes were donated out of the pockets of just
a few individuals.
Eddie
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Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est
Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 5/31/07, Alchemist John  wrote:
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7) From: Alchemist John
It doesn't change the fact for "The Greatest Roaster Building Contest 
On Earth", the prizes makes me go "eh" and give me no inclination to 
enter.  But then again, homeroasters.org has always done that too me.
don't mind me - I'm in a curmudgeon mood this morning...
At 05:32 5/31/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

8) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
To the winner a box of chocolate?
Dennis
It doesn't change the fact for "The Greatest Roaster Building Contest 
On Earth", the prizes makes me go "eh" and give me no inclination to 
enter.  But then again, homeroasters.org has always done that too me.
don't mind me - I'm in a curmudgeon mood this morning...
At 05:32 5/31/2007, you wrote:
<Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettingsJohn Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

9) From: Floyd Lozano
1lb of Esmeralda Geisha preroast blended with Kopi Luwak and fed to a Jacu
bird prior to roast.  Of the bird.  You could spit roast the bird to 455 and
not need a drum!
-F
On 5/31/07, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
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10) From:
John,
why is it necessary to diminish the contest? let's take this off list please. 
Tom was gracious enough to let us post the contest here...
ginny
thegster
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11) From: Brian Mitchell
I completely agree with Ginny. If you do not want to participate, simply
don't. There is no reason to put down something that is being done for free
and out of their pockets and donations. Just out of curiosity... are you
donating anything John?

12) From: Ed Needham
John could donate some of his wonderful chocolate...
I have not had it, but I'm sure with his quality standards, it rocks.
I think that would make a great prize.
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Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
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13) From: Alchemist John
I am not donating anything.  I was not asked and 
currently don't have the time getting chocolate ready for the PNWG V.
I can't speak to what Ginny said as I filter her 
stuff straight to trash.  I was not putting it 
down - I was giving my opinion of what I think of 
the prizes.   I know I am not the only one who 
thinks the prizes leave room for improvement 
(multiple off-list emails).  They only way an 
organization can improve is through feedback - 
that is what I gave.  They can take it or leave 
it.  I suspect they will leave it if past history is any indication.
I think the competition is great - building your 
own roaster is a fun endeavor and I would 
heartily suggest people do it.  If you have the 
time or inclination to document it, all the 
better. I have built 3 from the ground up, 
learned a lot each time, and am gathering 
equipment and design ideas for a 4th - propane  fired this next time I=
 think.
At 22:40 5/31/2007, you wrote:
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 free
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

14) From: Aaron
wow, and folks accuse me of being bitter.....  
classic.....
Aaron

15) From: Floyd Lozano
Some people come here to gain knowledge.  Some people come here to help
others gain that knowledge and better their craft.  Some, it's unclear what
their motivations are.  Some feel it's better for others to struggle alone
and gain their knowledge and experience in some Darwinistic fashion, and
some prefer the nurturing, guiding, and caring approach, where shared
experience of success and failure lead to a greater betterment of a
community of like-minded folks.  If I had the experience and cared to
frequent a list like this, I think the latter approach would be the best.
Else, why bother?
-F
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16) From: Rich
Very true.... Well put.
--Original Message Text---
From: Floyd Lozano
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:05:10 -0400
Some people come here to gain knowledge.  Some people come here to help others gain that knowledge 
and better their craft.  Some, it's unclear what their motivations are.  Some feel it's better for others to 
struggle alone and gain their knowledge and experience in some Darwinistic fashion, and some prefer 
the nurturing, guiding, and caring approach, where shared experience of success and failure lead to a 
greater betterment of a community of like-minded folks.  If I had the experience and cared to frequent a 
list like this, I think the latter approach would be the best.  Else, why bother? 
-F
On 6/1/07, Aaron  wrote: wow, and folks accuse me of being bitter.....
classic.....
Aaron

17) From: Ed Needham
Feedback taken.
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Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
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18) From: Ed Needham
Thanks Floyd.  I have been a part of homeroasters.org since it started. 
There is no motivation there at all except to advance homeroasting.  It's an 
effort that is grassroots.  We have no slick marketing staff, we have no 
funding sources.  Everything comes out of the pockets of a few dedicated 
people who think there needs to be a Homeroaster Association.  I personally 
thought it was pretty cool to have a roaster contest and we literally are 
giving away a dozen or so prizes, ranging from pounds of green coffee to the 
generous offering by Ron Kyle of a RK Roasting drum.
I personally was bored by the homeroasters.org web site and voiced my 
opinion to that effect numerous times.  The contest was a result of trying 
to find ways to make the site more interesting.  We all thought that having 
pictorials of roasters being built would be very interesting to other 
homeroasters, so we all antied up from our own pockets and asked a few 
others to donate and came up with the prizes.  Sorry if they are not big 
enough, but it's really not so much about the huge prizes as it is in the 
spirit of creativity and sharing roaster building ingenuity.
Homeroasters.org will rise or fall based on whether it is interesting to 
other homeroasters.  If John says it is boring, and behind the scenes he's 
talking with a bunch of others who think it's boring, then time will tell if 
we stand or fall.  I can't help but think it is a decent resource for fellow 
homeroasters, and could be much better, but that's just me.

19) From: Edward Bourgeois
In concept this is a great idea but what if someone really does come
up with a unique and great roaster and posts pics and detailed
descriptions of such. Couldn't someone then steal the idea and patent
it? Not sure if there is someone out there that understands patent law
that could plug in.

20) From: Brett Mason
Hey Ed,
Go to the website and read the rules...  could be instructive.
Yep, it's America - everything is stealable...  Oh yeah, that's covered in
those rules...
Probably a good read....
Brett
  who is not a part of www.homeroasters.org
On 6/1/07, Edward Bourgeois  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

21) From: Brett Mason
Check out rules 10 and 13 especially...
Brett
On 6/1/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

22) From: Coffeenut
I'd like wade-into the waters here...  IMO, the only thing lacking with
Homeroasters.org is the message activity/volume can sometimes be light which
Ed has commented upon.  If the volume of this SM List were married with the
capability/design of the Homeroaster's site, I'd be in "bean heaven" so to
speak.  The Homeroaster's site also has some really friendly, helpful folks
(many that also post here).  I highly appreciate what Ginny, Ed, Dan and
others are doing with the website and their Roaster contest.  I hope the
site endures and will be around in the future as another tool for
home-rosters.
For me, Homeroasters.org is another place where I can help other people,
learn new things "and" have the bonus of photo imagery for visual help.  The
fact that others from the Sweet Marias List also hang there is a plus for
me.
To Ginny, Ed and everyone else involved with the contest, well done!!!  You
have created and interesting contest that I will enter and I don't care if I
win anything or not (sincerely).  Reading the other entries and going
through the process of documenting my build will be useful and should be a
welcome tool for newbie's and veterans.
Rick

23) From:
Ed:
The contest is a way for any home roaster to kick in there roaster. I am sure there are many out there; the contest is a fun way to compete.
Actually by posting their roaster they have a way to copyright/own their idea. Anyone can send themselves a letter regarding their contest entry as another way to be clear that "it belongs to them."
The contest is to get folks to try out their ideas and have a chance to win some cool stuff.
ginny
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24) From:
Rick:
Thanks so much for your kind words. You hit the nail on the head about the contest.
Can't wait to see your entry.
We are getting new folks all the time and I believe we will continue to do so by adding more articles, we will be doing some podcasting very soon which will be fun and another resource for the homeroaster.
Again, thanks for your comments.
ginny
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25) From: stereoplegic
before i begin, kudos for the great work you guys have done w/ 
homeroasters.org, and i think the contest is a great idea. i'd love to 
get my hands on the one of the GC's or the Presto Scandi (no grill, so 
not much use for the RK Drum, though i do think it makes a wonderful prize).
not to rain on your parade, i think homeroasters.org is a wonderful, 
much-needed site, but couldn't help notice the "send themselves a 
letter" comment below.
actually, if it's anything like the music biz, the "poor man's 
copyright" (mail a copy of your original music to yourself and you're 
protected by copyright law) is a myth. the only way to be able to 
collect monetary compensation for someone using your music (and i'm 
pretty sure with patents/inventions) is to register w/ the US Copyright 
Office (or in this case the US Patent and Trademark Office).
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26) From: stereoplegic
but that doesn't mean contestants can't patent their own works (i'm a 
firm believer in this, how can the government protect your intellectual 
property without being paid for its services-not that we're not taxed 
for stupid things we shouldn't be taxed for, but that's a completely 
different issue and one i don't think Tom would be too happy about us 
discussing on list.
stereoplegic wrote:
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27) From:
you are correct, I have asked if we can take this off list. For respect in Tom's purpose here.
any continued thoughts can be send to 
thegster
thanks.
by the way it was the poor's mans copyright, tons of folks have no idea they can do that.
g
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28) From: stereoplegic
i didn't mean any disrespect, hope it wasn't construed that way (and 
that it doesn't effect my running in the contest, see next paragraph ;-) 
). on the contrary, i was trying to flame-proof my rant about gov't, 
taxes, etc. i was simply saying that (as my musician friends have 
experienced, and as i've researched to some extent since i'd like 
someday to release my own music) while technically, yes, a 
copyright/patent/trademark is yours the moment the idea leaves your head 
and takes a physical form, the only way to collect money from someone 
else's use of it (lawsuits, royalties, etc.) is to register it w/ the 
appropriate government agency.
back on topic, can we have multiple entries? i've been thinking of doing 
a better writeup of the eWok/CO (and possibly dressing it up a little) 
as an entry, as well as another project if i have time.
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29) From: Eddie Dove
You may enter as many different roasters as you like.
Eddie
-- 
Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est
Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 6/4/07, stereoplegic  wrote:
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30) From: stereoplegic
awesome! now if i can just get some time off...
southcoastcoffeeroaster wrote:
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danbollinger wrote:
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31) From: Homeroaster
OK folks.  Here's the deal.  We took Alchemist John's criticism seriously
and pretty much agreed with him after thinking about it, so here's what we
have done.  As one of the prizes for winning the roaster building contest,
not only do you get the RK Drum, BUT!  in addition, you also get the motor
and mounting bracket to go with the the drum as a complete setup.  There are
other prizes listed on the homeroasters.org web site, and we definitely
don't want to overstep boundaries by continuously using the Sweetmaria's
list to promote the roaster building contest, so check it out and all the
details athttp://www.homeroasters.org*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
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