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Re: +Diedrich hom roaster: Was Behmor 1600
I don't have any experience with the Diedrich.  Ken Fox wrote an 
article about it on home barista, if you're interested.  Not sure if 
I agree with the premise.
I'm one of those relatively quiet folks who have a commercial roaster 
in his house.  I have a Has Garanti electric 1 kg capacity drum 
roaster.  It's completely manually operated, which is somewhat 
anomalous for me since I'm stridently attempting to improve espresso 
process control.  I don't say a whole lot about it because it's 
pretty much of a one-off roaster, I've learned to use it, and I don't 
have to do a whole helluva lot to make it work.  I'm not modding 
barbeques, adapting heat guns, poppers.  For me, roasting is a path 
to a better cup.  I'm interested in roasting because I'm interested 
in bringing out the best that i can from the coffee in all stages of 
its preparation.  So it's my attempts at producing quality raw 
materials that is of interest to me, not my attempts at building a 
roaster.
My opinion and observation about small commercial roasters for 
hobbyist use is that for the most part home roasters are like most 
hobbyists - they are incredibly cheap.  Folks can take whatever 
offense they want from that remark, but none is intended.  Hobbyists 
aren't making a living at coffee, so bullet-proof industrial 
equipment reliability at high duty cycles isn't necessary.  And many 
folks have other necessary uses for their money besides their 
hobbies.  That makes it really hard for a roaster manufacturer to 
build a high-quality small roaster.  The complexity doesn't 
particularly diminish when size is scaled down.  There is no economy 
of scale to speak of because the market is small.  So a roaster 
manufacturer that produces a small roaster in the 1 to 2 lb capacity 
range is really sticking his neck out.  From what I know now about 
making small batch specialty equipment, I bet Diedrich doesn't make 
squat on their investment in producing their small roaster - at least 
from hobbyists.  They might make something if the thing has any 
commercial appeal.
One can make a case that financial emphasis is wrongly placed on 
brewing equipment.  Many folks spend quite a bit of money on espresso 
machines, but are reluctant to spend money on grinders.  Those who 
roast seem even less inclined to spend money on roasters.  It's 
almost a badge of honor to produce roasted coffee on the simplest 
possible gear.  That's OK if the simplest possible gear produces 
results that are equal to those produced by commercial roasting 
equipment.  I've sampled some coffee this year that have thrown the 
idea of simplicity over all into question - for me at least.  An 
outfit from Nebraska called Coffee Emergency was selling a Yemen 
(roasted by them) that was like drinking liquid sugar and 
chocolate.  I was fortunate enough to taste coffees from Terroir that 
were uniformly excellent.  And I recently sampled  from 49th Parallel 
Roasters that was extremely high-quality as well.  They put my 
roasting self in my place for sure, and support the idea recently 
advanced by Marshall Fuss that if you home-roast you should also be 
sampling commercial roasted coffees because it's easy to think that 
you are a roasting god until you sample coffees that are 
substantially better than yours.  One may correctly state that 
sourcing coffee is an art / obsession on its own.  Thankfully we have 
people like Tom who can help us with that aspect of coffee.  Once the 
coffee is in our hot little hands, we get the chance to make it great 
or ruin it.   You'd think that the roasting community would support 
manufacturers that produced quality roasters that allowed us to work 
on the craft of roasting, not on the machinery.
Not sure if this diatribe is useful discussion.  I've been away and 
my daughter has been sick.  I'm not firing on all cylinders.
-Greg
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one of your little texas brats most likely signed you up. should be easy fo=
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give it a try...
you signed up dude, sorry texas dude.
ginny
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