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Topic: coffee cup material (29 msgs / 702 lines)
1) From: Kevin
Is it me or does coffee taste differently when drank out of cups made from
different material?  I'm drinking the Screen Dried Brazil Formosa (sp?) out
of a Styrofoam cup and it's not as good (awful, and I know it's not the
coffee, only variable was the cup material) as yesterday morning when
consumed from a ceramic mug.  I prefer the ceramic mug to a Styrofoam or
stainless steel thermos.  Has anyone else noticed this?
Maybe it's worth designing a mug/cup with a shape and material designed to
pull the most flavor/aroma from coffee, e.g. wine, champagne, pilsner,
brandy snifter glasses).
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My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin

2) From: Laura Micucci
Yes, definitly.  I enjoy my first cup coffee out of a ceramic mug much
better than my second out of my plastic travel mug.  I am currently looking
for a ceramic travel mug.  I'm not sure why it taste different though.
Maybe we're getting the styrofoam/plastic taste in the cup?
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3) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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I  love my stainless mugs
I have a clip handle on one and the other is a zippo.
Dennis
 
	Is it me or does coffee taste differently when drank out of cups
made from different material?  I'm drinking the Screen Dried Brazil
Formosa (sp?) out of a Styrofoam cup and it's not as good (awful, and I
know it's not the coffee, only variable was the cup material) as
yesterday morning when consumed from a ceramic mug.  I prefer the
ceramic mug to a Styrofoam or stainless steel thermos.  Has anyone else
noticed this? 
	 
	Maybe it's worth designing a mug/cup with a shape and material
designed to pull the most flavor/aroma from coffee, e.g. wine,
champagne, pilsner, brandy snifter glasses).
	
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http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/	
	Kevin 

4) From: Ed Needham
A hand thrown pottery mug makes it taste even better!  Ambiance...
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5) From: Kevin
The Styrofoam cup made the coffee taste flat and stale.  I'll stick strictly
to ceramic mugs for coffee.  I guess it's analogous to cola/beer out of a
can, plastic bottle or glass bottle (to me, cola and beer are best out of a
glass container).
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My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin

6) From: Aaron
another thing to remember is that a lot of our taste, is also our smell, 
combining to give us the overall sensation.
styrofoam cups can have that wierd chemical smell to them sometimes and 
I am sure will no doubt affect the flavor a bit, especially when hot 
beverages get in contact with them to stir it up or make more of it 
leech out.
id stick with the ceramic coffee mug or a metal one, though there are 
some who claim that the metal can give it an overly bright flavor as 
well especially if it is stored in a metal container like a vac thermos.
For the absolute purest coffee sensation, pour the grounds onto your 
tongue, then take a cup of boiling water and immediately pour that into 
your mouth as well, swish around for a few minutes so the coffee fully 
infuses, then spit it into a paper cup through your clenched teeth to 
filter out the grounds.   rinse them out, swish and quickly drink the 
coffee you just made.
Speaking of paper, I havent heard much from folks saying that paper cups 
/ waxed cups like youd get at McDogmeats or a gas station alter the 
taste significantly, although those coffees are pretty terrible to begin 
with.  Only thing I can think of with paper would be poor heat retention 
and possible absorbtion of some of the oils, which would change the taste.
Aaron

7) From: Larry Williams
I use ceramic at home and whatever plastic travel mug I that is clean.  
I have been particularly concerned about ANY products that come from 
China that I would ingest or put on my skin.  There just isn't enough 
oversight in that country to control criminal activity that may add 
poisons as a substitute for legitimate products.  Scares the hell out of 
me. 
This is why we need manufacturing back in the USA.
Larry Williams
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8) From: Eddie Dove
Kevin,
It is definitely you, but that is a good thing because it means your
senses are working properly.  As Aaron points out, smell is a huge
part of taste and I agree with you that Styrofoam absolutely destroys
a cup of coffee.
Personally, I prefer a small, short ceramic / pottery / china coffee
cup, as long as I can get my nose in there while I am taking a sip.
Eddie
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9) From: Angelo
I believe the container has a lot to do with it. There's a small 
chain of coffee shops in Manhattan, Oren's Daily Roast, which serves 
its coffee in paper cups. I refuse to buy in those shops for that 
reason. The coffee, though freshly ground (if you were to believe the 
name) tastes awful in those cups...
I had an aunt who swore that she could tell the difference between 
powdered skim milk and "real" milk. I put her to a taste test. 
However, I stacked the deck somewhat by putting the real milk in an 
aluminum cup, and the powdered milk in a glass. She picked the 
powdered milk as the real deal.. If both were in containers of the 
same material, I'm sure she would have been able to determine which 
was which...
A
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10) From: Kevin
Eddie,
I'm in the process of leaving my current employer for a new employer and I
took my ceramic mug home to be cleaned.  I figured the Styrofoam wouldn't
make much of a difference.  Wow, what a mistake!  The Styrofoam ruined my
Brazil Screen-Dried Moreninha Formosa, a major disappointment.  I could
definitely smell the Styrofoam mixing in with the coffee aromas.  Absolutely
awful!  It's a ceramic/pottery mug for me from now on.
Kevin

11) From: TERRY TITSWORTH
I prefer my insulated stainless steel cups. I'm a kluts and couldn't afford
to keep up with the cost of replacing ceramic.
TerryT
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12) From: Aaron
I actually like my Stainless Nissan thermo cup as well Terry.
The best part is that it's just a slight turn of the cap and it's 
completely sealed.   It keeps the coffee hot for hours.  I just seal it 
off, and can store it in any position without spilling.  I throw it in 
my tool bag and go on the job with it.  When i want a drink of coffee, I 
just fish it out, twist the cap, ahhh hot coffee, twist it back sealed, 
throw back in tool bag and am good to go all morning.
helps in the car too don't have to seal it tightly but just a snuggie so 
that if you happen to tip the cup over, at most a few drops escape 
instead of a whole cup dumping onto your interior.
aaron

13) From: Brian Kamnetz
I assume part of it is what we are used to. I hate to say it to you august
folks, but my preferred coffee mug is a plastic Alladdin travel mug. It
probably sounds strange, but I prefer it to the ceramic mugs I sometimes use
when I drink coffee at home, on the weekend. For whatever reason, the coffee
tastes richer, more complex, coming from my plastic Alladdin travel mug than
it does coming from the ceramic mug. I think one factor is that I tend to
drink it more slowly from the travel mug, and it cools a little more slowly,
so I get all the complexities as it cools, degree by degree.
Brian
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14) From: Patrick R. Sklenar
I rely on my ceramic mug here at home, but in the office I have buy (at 
SAMS Club) and use Dixie's "PerfectTouch" paper cups.  No poly.  
Actually insulated somehow.  Textured non-slip, etc.  Very good finish, 
no paper taste imparted to the coffee at all.
The native Georgia-Pacific (owners of Dixie brand) link is way too long 
to include, so here's the tinyurl version of it:
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15) From: john nanavati
Ceramic is always nice, but my favorite is glass. I don't like coffee very
hot - i find that i taste many more flavors when it's cooler - so, a
thick-walled, glass cup works quite nicely. plus you get to enjoy looking at
the coffee's color.
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16) From: Kevin
John,
I think I might try that tomorrow morning, a class mug...for a change.
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17) From: Brian Kamnetz
In the late 1970s - early 1980s, I used to enjoy coffee with breakfast at a
place in Minneapolis called The Egg and I, not because the coffee was good
(it was horrible, even by cafe standards), but because it was served in
clear glass mugs. I should try to find some of those clear mugs, especially
for when I have company at home.
Brian
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18) From: The Scarlet Wombat
I like the double wall stainless cups, have a few from SM, but am totally 
sold on the Dobum double walled cups.  They really do hold temps 
longer.  I'm drinking a good dark ale from one now, and there is no 
condensation on the outside.  The shot size are great espresso cups.  But 
it is true, if a person has a predelection to dropping cups, these probably 
are not the best choice.
Dan

19) From: gene nandrea
I like to bring my double walled Bodum to the coffee shop and let them pull
directly into that.
Gene
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20) From: Sandy Andina
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 From what I've read (and drank), I have concluded that not only the  
material but the shape and thickness of the vessel makes a world of  
difference in coffee as it does in wine. Everything tastes relatively  
poorer in foam; paper is a little better and  a plastic-coated paper  
cup better than plain white cardboard;  a hard plastic (non-porous)  
cup beats paper and a stainless travel mug beats plastic; ceramic and  
glass--being the most neutral--are best.  Shape-wise, for espresso  
the fewer right angles the better.  For espresso, modified tulip- 
shape beats V-shape (Lavazza) or straight-sided, rounded (like a  
small traditional coffee cup or the bottom half of an egg--a la Illy  
cups) is better, and I've found that the true tulip shape of the  
Bodum double-wall is best. Not wild about stainless for espresso. For  
brewed coffee, I like porcelain with as thin a rim as possible,  
though bone china (as in traditional or Chinese teacups or Ethiopian  
cups) seems to offer diminishing returns over a plain thin-walled  
china mug. Right angles don't seem to harm the taste of brewed coffee  
the way they do espresso. Bone china, however, is the bee's knees for  
tea. YMMV, however.
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From what I've read (and =
drank), I have concluded that not only the material but the shape and =
thickness of the vessel makes a world of difference in coffee as it does =
in wine. Everything tastes relatively poorer in foam; paper is a little =
better and  a plastic-coated paper cup better than plain white =
cardboard;  a hard plastic (non-porous) cup beats paper and a =
stainless travel mug beats plastic; ceramic and glass--being the most =
neutral--are best.  Shape-wise, for espresso the fewer right angles =
the better.  For espresso, modified tulip-shape beats V-shape =
(Lavazza) or straight-sided, rounded (like a small traditional coffee =
cup or the bottom half of an egg--a la Illy cups) is better, and I've =
found that the true tulip shape of the Bodum double-wall is best. Not =
wild about stainless for espresso. For brewed coffee, I like porcelain =
with as thin a rim as possible, though bone china (as in traditional or =
Chinese teacups or Ethiopian cups) seems to offer diminishing returns =
over a plain thin-walled china mug. Right angles don't seem to harm the =
taste of brewed coffee the way they do espresso. Bone china, however, is =
the bee's knees for tea. YMMV, however.On Jun 4, 2007, at =
8:27 AM, Kevin wrote:
Is it = me or does coffee taste differently when drank out of cups made from = different material?  I'm drinking the Screen Dried Brazil Formosa = (sp?) out of a Styrofoam cup and it's not as good (awful, and I know = it's not the coffee, only variable was the cup material) as yesterday = morning when consumed from a ceramic mug.  I prefer the ceramic mug to = a Styrofoam or stainless steel thermos.  Has anyone else noticed this? =   Maybe it's worth designing a mug/cup with a = shape and material designed to pull the most flavor/aroma from coffee, = e.g. wine, champagne, pilsner, brandy snifter glasses).
-- My home coffee roasting blog: http://homecoffeeroastbl=og.blogspot.com/ Kevin = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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21) From: Sandy Andina
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Anyone here notice that the plastic lids on these SS thermal mugs are  
often rather delicate and crack easily? I have a growing collection  
of SS de facto "dribble cups" as a result. Looking for whoopee  
cushions and joy buzzers to complete the set. (To be fair, most of  
these were hospital and drug company "gimmes").
On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Aaron wrote:
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Anyone here notice that the =
plastic lids on these SS thermal mugs are often rather delicate and =
crack easily? I have a growing collection of SS de facto "dribble cups" =
as a result. Looking for whoopee cushions and joy buzzers to complete =
the set. (To be fair, most of these were hospital and drug company =
"gimmes").
On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Aaron =
wrote:
I actually like my Stainless = Nissan thermo cup as well Terry.The best part = is that it's just a slight turn of the cap and it's completely sealed. =   It keeps the coffee hot = for hours.  I just seal = it off, and can store it in any position without spilling.  I throw it in my tool bag and = go on the job with it.  = When i want a drink of coffee, I just fish it out, twist the cap, = ahhh hot coffee, twist it back sealed, throw back in tool bag and am = good to go all morning. helps in the car too don't have = to seal it tightly but just a snuggie so that if you happen to tip the = cup over, at most a few drops escape instead of a whole cup dumping onto = your interior. aaronhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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22) From: Sandy Andina
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I have glass Irish Coffee mugs with thin flared rims, but IMHO they  
are too tall and skinny for the coffee to develop its aromas. Great  
for their intended purpose (or mulled cider), however.
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I have glass Irish Coffee mugs =
with thin flared rims, but IMHO they are too tall and skinny for the =
coffee to develop its aromas. Great for their intended purpose (or =
mulled cider), however.
On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Kevin =
wrote:
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23) From: Brian Kamnetz
Coors sells the double-walled, 16-oz beer glasses, set of 4, for $20 (+$8
shipping). Looks like two different styles, or else the same style with
choice of two Coors logos. Of course, it would be the beer equivalent of
drinking homeroast from Folgers mugs....
Brian
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24) From: Lynne Biziewski
I have to drink my homebrew coffee in ceramic - yes, it should be a
beautiful color,
with a comfortable handle (I studied pottery in art school, and while it was
only for one
semester, I think I've carried it with me throughout the years - my oldest
daughter noted
that I tend to give cups, and teapots, and dinnerware as gifts to them
almost every holiday!)
I avoid glass, because I'm a klutz (I try very, very hard not to break my
French Press - so far, so good). Hate the flavor - and feel & smell - of
drinking coffee in plastic. And I never, ever willingly drink out of
stainless steel (nor do I use those dreadful metal pens that were popular in
the 70's.. ugh, shiver...) Stainless is fine for cooking, or even carrying
coffee around (like in a thermos), but I can't stand the contact of metal
against my mouth. UGH!!!!
Strange person that I am...
Lynne
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25) From: Andy Thomas
It's not just you. Styrofoam is not good for coffee flavor. Its advantages are that it is light and a good insulator. My favorite cup was a handmade ceramic cup that was rounded on the bottom, slightly narrower near the top, like the bowl of a wine glass but with a flared rim. Alas, I dropped it on the concrete floor at work one day and I've yet to find a suitable replacement.
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From: Kevin 
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Sent: Monday, June 4, 2007 6:27:20 AM
Subject: +coffee cup material
Is it me or does coffee taste differently when drank out of cups made from different material?  I'm drinking the Screen Dried Brazil Formosa (sp?) out of a Styrofoam cup and it's not as good (awful, and I know it's not the coffee, only variable was the cup material) as yesterday morning when consumed from a ceramic mug.  I prefer the ceramic mug to a Styrofoam or stainless steel thermos.  Has anyone else noticed this? 
 
Maybe it's worth designing a mug/cup with a shape and material designed to pull the most flavor/aroma from coffee, e.g. wine, champagne, pilsner, brandy snifter glasses).
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26) From: Alchemist John
Agreed.  I am very particular about my morning 
coffee mug.  I really like a set from Mexico, 
Designs by Mara.  I have noticed the same thing, 
if not even more pronounced with my 
espresso.  For years I drank them out of shot 
glasses.  I loved the appearance.  The then got a 
couple of the heavy walled skunk illy cups from 
SM and the slightly thinner walled espresso 
monkey cup.  Both are radical improvements IMO, 
and I like the heavy skunk cup the best - just fit my mouth the best.
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27) From: Barbara Wilson
Lynne, 
Does not sound strange to me!

28) From: Ed Needham
Here's my favorite at home...http://www.homeroaster.com/mug.jpgIt's as tall as a pint glass, but I only fill it half way.  The upper 
portion has indentations for holding it and it stays cool.  The aroma stays 
in the mug too, and I think it stays hot longer since there is not a lot of 
airflow over the surface of the coffee.
Bottom line is it just feels good.  I have two of them.  Both slightly 
different.
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29) From: Michael Dhabolt
Ed,
Class act.
Mike (just plain)


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