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Topic: coffee cup material or my pursuit of the perfect cup (25 msgs / 669 lines)
1) From: Barbara Wilson
Kevin...
YES! We have one one coffee shop in the town where I live that roasts coffee. The paper cups that they serve the coffee in taste musty to me. They don't have real cups! So I never go there for coffee for that reason. 
Also, I am a potter and I make cups. There is much more beyond the taste that influences our coffee drinking experience. The feel, the shape the beauty of the coffee combined with certain colors.. we all have our favorite cups and as a potter I am always looking for the best handle, rim, shape, size, feel of the glaze and color that enhances my coffee. 
A cup is really complex when you break it down into its parts and functions.  A handmade cup is much more sensuous or at least I strive for that. The whole experience of coffee drinking is different with the right cup. I would appreciate everyone's opinion on this as I am engaged in the lifelong pursuit of the the perfect cup. 
Barbara

2) From: Brian Kamnetz
Barbara,
Do you have a website?
Brian
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3) From: Robert D. Crawford
"Brian Kamnetz"  writes:
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I second that.  My favorite mug is a ceramic, "standard size" mug from
Cafe Du Monde.  I've been using it exclusively every day for the last
several years (at least 3) and before that I was using an identical mug
along with this one (I dropped the other one).  I would like to replace
this one and put it away as it has a bit of sentimental value.  Buying a
handcrafted coffee mug from someone who is a fellow coffee lover would
be the perfect excuse.  Buying it from a home roaster on this list makes
it all the better.
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
This is Unix we're talking about, remember.  It's not supposed to be
nice for the applications programmer.
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4) From: Sandy Andina
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I find that the rougher the texture of the fired clay or glaze and  
the thicker the rim, the less I enjoy the coffee. There used to be a  
potter in Seattle called Fabrik Stoneware; their cups, though the  
rims were thick, had a smooth matte glaze that did not impart any  
negative factors to the coffee. Only bummer was I did not buy the  
tall mugs but rather the short cups with saucers, which were too  
shallow to direct the aromas up to the nose and concentrate them.   
Sadly, the ones that survived our move to Chicago in 1978 did not  
survive the collapse later that summer of the shelves in our cheapo  
JC Penney china closet, alas.
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Sandy Andina
www.sandyandina.com
www.myspace.com/sandyandina
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I find that the rougher the =
texture of the fired clay or glaze and the thicker the rim, the less I =
enjoy the coffee. There used to be a potter in Seattle called Fabrik =
Stoneware; their cups, though the rims were thick, had a smooth matte =
glaze that did not impart any negative factors to the coffee. Only =
bummer was I did not buy the tall mugs but rather the short cups with =
saucers, which were too shallow to direct the aromas up to the nose and =
concentrate them.  Sadly, the ones that survived our move to Chicago =
in 1978 did not survive the collapse later that summer of the shelves in =
our cheapo JC Penney china closet, alas.
On Jun 4, 2007, at =
12:04 PM, Barbara Wilson wrote:
Kevin... YES! We have one one coffee shop = in the town where I live that roasts coffee. The paper cups that they = serve the coffee in taste musty to me. They don't have real cups! So I = never go there for coffee for that reason. Also, I = am a potter and I make cups. There is much more beyond the taste that = influences our coffee drinking experience. The feel, the shape the = beauty of the coffee combined with certain colors.. we all have our = favorite cups and as a potter I am always looking for the best handle, = rim, shape, size, feel of the glaze and color that enhances my = coffee. A cup is really complex when you break it down into = its parts and functions.  = A handmade cup is much more sensuous or at least I strive for = that. The whole experience of coffee drinking is different with the = right cup. I would appreciate everyone's opinion on this as I am engaged = in the lifelong pursuit of the the perfect cup.  ----- = Original Message -----On 01:27 PM 06/04/2007 = Kevin wrote: Is it me = or does coffee taste differently when drank out of cups madefromdifferent = material?  I'm drinking = the Screen Dried Brazil Formosa (sp?)of a Styrofoam cup and it's not = as good (awful, and I know it's not thecoffee, = only variable was the cup material) as yesterday morning whenconsumed from a ceramic mug. I prefer = the ceramic mug to a Styrofoam orstainless = steel thermos.  Has = anyone else noticed this?Maybe it's = worth designing a mug/cup with a shape and material designedtopull the most flavor/aroma = from coffee, e.g. wine, champagne, pilsner,brandy = snifter glasses).-- My home = coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblo=g.blogspot.com/Kevin = homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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5) From: Eddie Dove
"My favorite mug is a ceramic, "standard size" mug from Cafe Du Monde."
Huh ... my wife just sold my Cafe Du Monde mug at a yard sale for 25
cents ... it was the only mug that sold!
I do work in New Orleans on a daily basis, so I am sure I could get
you another mug if you would like.
Eddie
-- 
Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est
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6) From: Robert D. Crawford
"Eddie Dove"  writes:
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Thanks for the offer, Eddie.  Other than the sentimentality of the particular
mug I don't really have an attachment.  It is nice enough as a mug but
in a blind test I really couldn't tell the difference.  I just figure it
is time to retire this one.  Maybe if I can't find something special my
local NPR station will give one away in their next pledge drive.  Seems
like all they have had for the last few times are plastic travel mugs,
though. 
Thanks again,
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
May you have warm words on a cold evening,
a full mooon on a dark night,
and a smooth road all the way to your door.

7) From: Barbara Wilson
I would love to try to create a mug that is your favorite and I would 
appreciate your feedback.
Robert D. Crawford wrote:
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8) From: Dennis & Marjorie True
Hey I have a Cafe Du Monde  mug in my collection.....
Never really thought about it but I guess I collect coffee mugs I have 
140+ right now never really meant to do it. I guess it just kinda happened!
Dennis
I second that.  My favorite mug is a ceramic, "standard size" mug from
Cafe Du Monde.  I've been using it exclusively every day for the last
several years (at least 3) and before that I was using an identical mug
along with this one (I dropped the other one).  I would like to replace
this one and put it away as it has a bit of sentimental value.  Buying a
handcrafted coffee mug from someone who is a fellow coffee lover would
be the perfect excuse.  Buying it from a home roaster on this list makes
it all the better.
rdc

9) From: Brett Mason
Nice to see you home!
Mugs Happen
  Brett
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

10) From: MichaelB
Barbara,
Thanks for giving us a chance to talk cups. I like mugs that hold about 10
oz with comfortable size handle for at least 3 fingers if not whole hand,
handle starts at top of cup with integrated thumb rest part of the top, cup
slightly wider on bottom than top.
Another way to collect feedback is to show us some examples of cups and we
can comment on likes and dislikes.
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MichaelB

11) From: Aaron
Favorite cup.  lets shoot for 12 to 16 oz of coffee,  handle lets you 
get all your fingers into it, and is wide enough that they will fit in 
comfortably yet close enough that you can just loose thumb, finger hold 
the entire cup.   cup has to be able to fit into cup holder on car too.  
I think *most* of them are a fairly standard size or within an inch or 
so of each other.  Maybe a slightly wider base than mouth, it adds for 
stability and the conical shape I find also for some reason helps keep 
any movement sloshing remaining in the cup better than non conical.
Ok it's vague but nobody ever accused me of being articulate :)
Aaron

12) From: Sandy Andina
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Welcome home, safe, sound and caffeinated!
On Jun 6, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Brett Mason wrote:
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Sandy Andina
www.sandyandina.com
www.myspace.com/sandyandina
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Welcome home, safe, sound and =
caffeinated!
On Jun 6, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Brett Mason =
wrote:
Nice to see you home! Mugs Happen   = Brett On 6/6/07, Dennis & Marjorie True <dmtrue> wrote: = Hey I = have a Cafe Du Monde  mug in my collection..... Never really = thought about it but I guess I collect coffee mugs I have 140+ right = now never really meant to do it. I guess it just kinda = happened! Dennis I second that.  My favorite = mug is a ceramic, "standard size" mug from Cafe Du Monde.  I've = been using it exclusively every day for the last several years (at = least 3) and before that I was using an identical mug along with this = one (I dropped the other one).  I would like to replace this one = and put it away as it has a bit of sentimental value.  Buying a = handcrafted coffee mug from someone who is a fellow coffee lover = would be the perfect excuse.  Buying it from a home roaster on = this list makes it all the = better. rdc = homeroast mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to = http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
-- Cheers, Brett =http://homeroast.freeservers.com Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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13) From: Robert D. Crawford
Dennis & Marjorie True  writes:
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Mon dieu!  You obviously have _Much_ more room in your kitchen than I
do.  
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
A motion to adjourn is always in order.

14) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
Actually a lot of them are still in Boxes from the last move....
I only have about 20 out right now.
Dennis
Mon dieu!  You obviously have _Much_ more room in your kitchen than I
do.  
rdc
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Robert D. Crawford
robdcraw

15) From: Robert D. Crawford
Barbara Wilson  writes:
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You know, I never really thought about it.  I have always either chosen
mugs based on aesthetics or some other reason that really had nothing to
do with shape.  Always a boring "standard" mug as far as shape.
I guess my ideal mug would be made of heavier materials... no fine china
for me, thanks.  Heavier materials are also better at heat retention, a
big plus as far as I am concerned.  My current mug holds the output from
my moka and my press and can't be smaller.  I have always wondered why
handles tend to curve the way they do.  It seems to me that it should
have a slight inward curve as that is what the fingers naturally do.
I liked dark colors until I lost most of my sight.  I now have to use
lighter colors so that I can see not to overfill the cup when I pour
from my drip.  (if I could get my father to remember this when I visit
him...) 
All of this is to say that I would feel kinda bad if you spent a lot of
time working on a design and such. Surely you have a life and things to
do that do not involve spending a lot of time designing a mug for some
guy you are likely to never see.  I am really not terribly particular
when it comes to the design of the cup (but I refuse to drink out of
something "girly" or something with a slogan or product I disagree with
(no GOP mugs at my house ;->).  I was actually just hoping you had a web
site with designs I could look at, maybe mix and match, choose a color,
send you my address and you send me a bill.  I love handcrafted items.
There is something very satisfying about using something crafted by hand
in someone's workshop as opposed to machine crafted in some factory in
China.
Does anyone think we need to take this off-list?  This question of
course assumes that someone has read this far.
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
Debian is the Jedi operating system: "Always two there are, a master and
an apprentice".
		-- Simon Richter on debian-devel

16) From: The Scarlet Wombat
RDC, being totally blind, I havde had to deal with how full the cup 
is.  I've settled on the "ouch test."  I hook my index finger over the 
mug's edge with about 3/4 of an inch in the mug.  When I pour, I pour 
gently and as soon as I am tempted to say "ouch" at an increased decibel 
level, I figure the mug is sufficiently full.
I use the Bodum double wall mugs that Tom sells and this method works 
well.  It also works for pulling a shot, but you have to be quick with your 
fingers or the ouch test becomes a "HOLY S##T" test.
Dan

17) From: Aaron
Dan, Id say that being blind, your hearing should have become more 
acute,  or actually you pay much more attention to it since you lost one 
of your other senses.
when filling the cup you can hear the liquid going into it, and get a 
good idea how full the cup is getting that way by the change in pitch of 
the gurgling... give it a try it might help.
aaron

18) From: Frank Parth
On 6/6/07, Dennis & Marjorie True <dmtrue> wrote:
Hey I have a Cafe Du Monde  mug in my collection.....
Never really thought about it but I guess I collect coffee mugs I have
140+ right now never really meant to do it. I guess it just kinda happened!
Dennis
Dennis,
Hmm, sounds like the number of wine glasses I have. As you say, it just kinda happens.
Frank Parth

19) From: Barbara Wilson
Personally I think the cup itself has a lot to do with enjoying coffee 
and those on this list who are in the business of selling coffee 
shouldn't forget that the cup can ruin or make the experience. Devoting 
my time to creating a fantastic cup is what I do. It would be as if I 
said to you..I hate to waste your time finding the perfect coffee and 
roasting it to perfection just for little ole me. It's a compulsion of 
some sort to strive for perfection despite the fact that we won't ever 
reach it. I will make a bunch of cups and take photos and if you want 
one (or more) I'll send them to you. If not, I break plenty of cups 
around here and I never seem to have enough. I also sell them.
Robert D. Crawford wrote:
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20) From: Barbara Wilson
You're welcome. I will take some photos.
MichaelB wrote:
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21) From: Lynne Biziewski
Barbara -
I'd be interested in buying some from you eventually, too. I, too, am
fanatical about coffee cups (I never realized it until my oldest daughter
gently asked if I would kindly NOT give any of them (my kids) anything
ceramic for Christmas one year. Guess I gave her some Japanese tea cups
for her University graduation.. and a lovely Japanese tea kettle.. and gave
them countless
other gifts of coffee mugs, and tea pots, and other ceramic kitchen items
for
other occasions.
Needless to say, when I saw a child's china tea set for a very reasonable
price - I
had to get it as a stocking stuffer for her that year. Just seemed
appropriate. ; > } )
At any rate, I LOVE color, and handles that fit right in my hand. Mugs that
are straight,
so they won't tip over, but def. not rounded shape (just not appealing to
me).
I always have one favorite mug that's just mine, too. One year my kids got
me a great
whale mug - loved that, partly because I loved the shape, partly because my
kids were
pretty young & it was very special that they knew it was something I'd love.
(I even kept the
pieces for awhile after it broke!)
In other words, I HAVE to have a special mug for special homeroast - it just
wouldn't be right
without it.
Lynne
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22) From: Barbara Wilson
Ok, I can see I've got my work cut out for me. But it will be fun.
Lynne Biziewski wrote:
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23) From: Robert D. Crawford
The Scarlet Wombat  writes:
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I tried this after my first surgery when I was totally blind and decided
it was not for me.  What I was doing then was to listen to the cup, much
like another poster mentioned.  I then found I had to sip from the cup
to find out where i was.  Since I had not gotten to the point where I
could get around I was only filling the cup about half to three-quarters
full.  Otherwise I had coffee on the floor, my shoes, etc.
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I can only imagine.
rdc
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Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
Aliquid melius quam pessimum optimum non est.

24) From: Robert D. Crawford
Barbara Wilson  writes:
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I look forward to seeing your work and ordering one.  Thanks for making
my coffee experience that much better.
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
Did you move a lot of KOREAN STEAK KNIVES this trip, Dingy?

25) From: Dave
Ooooooh, count me in! I'm always on the lookout for a good mug.
Thanks!
-- 
Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
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