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Topic: Home roasting is a PIA (38 msgs / 931 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
Here we go again this morning having to decide what to roast. I mean,
wouldn't it just be easier to buy pre-roasted than first have to pick from
dozens and dozens of greens to roast, decide whether to roast them to
accentuate acidity or body or go for balanced, whether to roast for a bit of
roast notes or way light for extreme varietal characterists, whether to
roast with a bit faster profile through 1st to end of roast for a bit more
clarity or a bit slower for sweeter or slow through 1st then fast finish etc
etc etc. Ended up going through this multiple times today before roasting 5
half pounders of Misty Valley, Kenya Gicherori, and three last of stashers
Kowali Kona, El Salvador Kilimnjaro and Sumatra Volkopi.
What a hassle to go through to have a good selection coming rest ready.
Seriously think I'll soon quit "home roasting" and start just "buying"
roasted beans from a "real" roaster. Of course I'll first have to decide
between a US Roaster Corp, Probat, Dietrich etc. in the 3 to 5k class
roasters.  (Won't be an Ambex) Currently leaning towards starting out with
the US Roaster 3k model for the Kafe... Ok, so I'll be "buying" roasted
coffees from myself:-)
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2) From: John Moody
Won't you find yourself up all hours twisting your home roaster into the
perfect emulation of your real roaster for sample batches? :)
John

3) From: miKe mcKoffee
No problem emulating about any roasters profile with dual variable boost
voltage controlled Rosto, been doing it for years:-)
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4) From: Brett Mason
You're right Mike!
Please send me all of yur green beans, and I will send you an equal amount
of folgers, in pounds...
Seems fair to me!  Was awfully glad I could help...
Brett
On 7/2/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

5) From: Edward Bourgeois
Mike It ain't going to get any easier. I've found it comes with aging.
Too many files upstairs and the old processor just doesn't keep up. Ed
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Ok Brett, I'll send you my greens stash and you send me a Probat L5:-)  What
the heck does Foulgers have to do with coffee?
 
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:11 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Home roasting is a PIA
You're right Mike!
 
Please send me all of yur green beans, and I will send you an equal amount
of folgers, in pounds...
 
Seems fair to me!  Was awfully glad I could help...
Brett

7) From: Brett Mason
I have a home-made drum - I could send you that!
I must say, I think I have an ADD approach to coffee roasting...  I have
several Mason Jars on my counter, and ought to be disciplined about
roasting, resting and consuming, so that I always had some 3-6 day rested
coffee around...  But, is that what I do? NOOOOO, I just raost 2-3 lb in my
drum, cool it, load 2-3 Mason jars and work the week.  Then when I realize I
am almost out, I panic and do it again...
So I feel for your dilemma about what to roast....  I guess I won't be
getting your stash...  OTOH you won't be seeing my Probat....
Cheers,
Brett
On 7/2/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

8) From: John Moody
Yeah, but what if you find that there is more to it than just bean temp
profile?  :)  'sounds like good fun to me.
John

9) From: Homeroaster
Ohhhh...that would be cool.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

10) From: Les
Mike,
I was at the American Association of Woodturners Symposium this weekend and
stayed at a friends daughter's house.  I thought it would be a good time to
take a 3 day adventure into the world of the masses when it comes to
coffee.  First off, Mike's daughter's coffee was ground the night before and
put on a timer to brew before we got up the next morning.  It was this puke
awful hazel nut "coffee" that I endured!  When I got to the conference, I
had to saddle up to Starbucks.  I didn't think things could get worse there,
but with their auto machines, an Americano is watered down carbon, and they
had no clue what a ristretto was!  I will live with the problems we have!  I
almost did a run up to Belmont for some Stumptown's, but I endured the 3
days of coffee hell!  This morning the Kenya in the Technovirm never tasted
so good!
Les
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11) From: Ed Needham
I was in the same boat down in West Palm Beach a couple years ago when Tom 
Ulmer rescued me with a thermos of his homebrewed delivered to the front 
desk of the hotel where I was staying.  I still owe Tom one.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

12) From: Randall Nortman
And to consider the same issue from another angle -- I had family
staying with me this weekend.  I made coffee in the morning, and since
only 2 people wanted coffee (plus me), I decided to leave the pourover
brewer in the cabinet and just aeropress each one individually.  The
only comment I got was how much effort it looked like to grind and
brew each cup individually, and how they could never go to all that
trouble for their morning coffee.  Nevermind roasting it yourself!
(Then my mother asked me where I kept my "creamer".)
I think we're going to be a tiny minority in this country for a long
time yet, no matter what people say about the Behmor changing the
landscape.
(I really should have taken advantage of the opportunity to get some
practice with the pourover, since I haven't done that much.  They
would not have known the difference if I'd messed it up anyway.)
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 04:05:09PM -0700, Les wrote:
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13) From: miKe mcKoffee
While nothing's for sure in life (except death and taxes) it's gonna =
happen.
(Kafe, not quit roasting for myself:-) Even though recently filed =
backruptcy
funding options are available. Putting it ALL on the line, have an
appointment to go over final paperwork for a HELOC Thursday to pay off
current 2nd and provide flexible capital vehicle. Rest assured when the
opening date is set the List will know about it! Still searching for
location and playing with names... mcKona Koffee Kafe or just mcKona =
Kafe or
Mckona Koffee current leading contenders. To my knowledge will be the =
ONLY
place in Portland/Vancouver area offering 100% single estate Kona for
purchase, as well as other premium coffees of course. Also plan to offer =
SO
shots, Café' Crema Americanos, cappuccinos etc. as part of the =
standard
coffee menu. Most likely going with a LM Linea 4 group so two groups can =
be
set for main espresso blend and the other two SO of the day/week. PID'd =
of
course so easy to quickly change shot boiler temp. Don't plan on any =
drip
but do plan on two sizes press pots to order, served on small platter =
with 3
minute hourglass so they know when to plunge. (Bodum has the Chambords =
in
12, 17 and 32oz in unbreakable Polycarbonate, haven't decided whether 12 =
or
17 for the "single serve" yet.) Playing with the idea of in addition to
roasted coffees for sale also offering the ultimate consumer fresh roast
coffee, "roasted while you wait" enjoying a biscotti and cappuccino or =
light
meal or whatever, possibly using a bunch of Behmor 1600s. That part may =
come
later or not at all, who knows for sure. More will be revealed....
Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal =
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone =
before.
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14) From: Andy Thomas
Sounds fantastic, Mike. Best of  luck!
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F=
rom: miKe mcKoffee 
To: homeroast=
om
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 6:29:12 PM
Subject: RE: +Home roasting is=
 a PIA
While nothing's for sure in life (except death and taxes) it's =
gonna happen.
(Kafe, not quit roasting for myself:-) Even though recently=
 filed backruptcy
funding options are available. Putting it ALL on the li=
ne, have an
appointment to go over final paperwork for a HELOC Thursday t=
o pay off
current 2nd and provide flexible capital vehicle. Rest assured =
when the
opening date is set the List will know about it! Still searching=
 for
location and playing with names... mcKona Koffee Kafe or just mcKona=
 Kafe or
Mckona Koffee current leading contenders. To my knowledge will b=
e the ONLY
place in Portland/Vancouver area offering 100% single estate K=
ona for
purchase, as well as other premium coffees of course. Also plan t=
o offer SO
shots, Café' Crema Americanos, cappuccinos etc. as part of t=
he standard
coffee menu. Most likely going with a LM Linea 4 group so two=
 groups can be
set for main espresso blend and the other two SO of the da=
y/week. PID'd of
course so easy to quickly change shot boiler temp. Don't=
 plan on any drip
but do plan on two sizes press pots to order, served on=
 small platter with 3
minute hourglass so they know when to plunge. (Bodu=
m has the Chambords in
12, 17 and 32oz in unbreakable Polycarbonate, have=
n't decided whether 12 or
17 for the "single serve" yet.) Playing with th=
e idea of in addition to
roasted coffees for sale also offering the ultim=
ate consumer fresh roast
coffee, "roasted while you wait" enjoying a bisc=
otti and cappuccino or light
meal or whatever, possibly using a bunch of =
Behmor 1600s. That part may come
later or not at all, who knows for sure.=
 More will be revealed....
Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://hom=e.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htm
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL =
to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/=Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I mu=
st
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlighte=
nment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gon=
e before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.=org/HomeRoast/ 
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15) From: Rick Copple
Randall Nortman wrote:
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Sort of like when I took some coffee to my in-laws. I was grinding away 
on my Zass and put it in the filter and my step-mother-in-law said, "You 
use that much coffee?" I think that comes with not wanting to put too 
much bitter, stale stuff in your hot water or the taste just gets worse. 
Most people, especially if they use cream and sugar, like their coffee 
really weak, it seems. I know, I use to be one of those people. :)
-- 
Rick Copple

16) From: Homeroaster
You know...there's not a doubt in my mind that I could get a great shot
pulled at Mike's new place and probably an education on Kona coffees.
I'm envious it's not me.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

17) From: miKe mcKoffee
Hi Eddie (and List),
Your input most definitely appreciated. Name wise, hmmm maybe instead of
mcKona something like Kona Koffee Kaffe? Leaving the mc off would also
alleviate the need to Trademark the name saving $1000 plus (in defense =
of
possible Micky D attack.) Not really sure if much difference between =
"mcKona
Koffee Kafe" or "Kona Koffee Kafe" and customer lure though. Maybe Kona
Krazy Koffee or mcKona Krazy Koffee or Krazy About Kona Kafe or maybe =
leave
Kona out of the name entirely. But since offering Kona will be one of =
the
upscale "hooks" and something not offered elsewhere seems to make sense =
to
have it in the name somehow.
OTOH not sure how much the name will really matter in the long run. And =
I by
no means claim to be a marketing genius or remotely close! "Starbucks" =
and a
mermaid. Ok, what's the quality coffee allure in the name? (none for me =
and
never was:-) Or locally maybe even nationally leading the espresso Third
wave name like "Stumptown"? Initially suppose name ought to say =
something
about the place yet I don't really have a clue what'll work best. I do
believe quality in the offerings is paramount to any real success! And =
not
just monetary success, but satisfaction in doing the best possible.
Press pot wise yeah, maybe leaning towards the 17oz "single serve" but
weighing the pros and cons. Probably want to be priced around the same =
as
double shot Café' Crema Americano so 12oz it may have to be. But then, =
my
target market isn't the "big gulp" crowd anyway. Will of course offer =
both
"Traditional" and "Americanized" espresso beverages on the menu though,
really no choice. Maybe or maybe not on the board but highly likely a
printed menu will include descriptions like for cappuccino "harmonious
balance of equal parts espresso, steam milk and microfoamed milk". There
will also be mochacinnos on the menu (regular, white chocolate & Mexi),
cappuccino strength "desert" beverages in addition to the Americanized
sizes. But how to politely describe "milk baby" Americanized beverages =
that
Italians would only give their children!? 
Much to be contemplated and decided... Any and all input appreciated! =
I'm
putting my house on the line following the dream!!!
Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal =
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone =
before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
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18) From: Michael Dhabolt
Ed,
Looks like a good excuse to come out and visit.  You got a bedroom
anytime you want it, 85 miles up the river from where his operation
will be.
Mike (just plain)

19) From: Larry English
On 7/2/07, Randall Nortman  wrote:
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I certainly hope so, Randall - imagine if the masses were to turn on to
homeroasting - every offering from Tom would read "1/2 pound limit per
person" and would sell out instantly - yikes!  I have no problem at all
keeping it down to just the enlightened.  Look what happened to wine prices
when Robert Parker turned people on to the fine wines of Bordeaux and
Burgundy, to say nothing about NorCal Cabs and Chards.  Harumph!
Larry

20) From: raymanowen
...mother asked me where I kept my "creamer."
In a king-size squeeze container, of the brand "Elmer's."
Except for the Elmer's tasting a little brackish, the two can be used
interchangeably.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?

21) From: Brett Mason
How about "Kone Kaffee" or even more simply, "Kona's"
Just thinkin...
Brett
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22) From: raymanowen
"...something like Kona Koffee Kaffe"
So, when I ask for KKK coffee, trademarks and copyright won't be the
problem? -ro
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23) From: Vicki Smith
You have two hooks, Mike--one would be the superior coffee, but the 
other would be *you*. I suspect the latter is what will truly stand out 
for people seeking an alternative to the faceless coffee culture the big 
chains offer. Now, I'm not a big fan of alliteration, so my name thing 
would go in another direction--something like Mike's Kona and Friends 
Coffee. The friends then has a couple of meanings, including the 
non-Kona coffees you will also roast.
vicki
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24) From: Justin Marquez
It only comes with a *lot* of creamer and of course with white bread on the
side.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On 7/3/07, raymanowen  wrote:
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25) From: Justin Marquez
On 7/2/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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I definitely think the cafe name should have KONA in it somewhere, as that
is part of the unique idea of it.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

26) From: Aaron
It was said:
"...something like Kona Koffee Kaffe"
So, when I ask for KKK coffee, trademarks and copyright won't be the 
problem? -ro
=====================
Only in alabama there won't be a problem.
Aaron

27) From: Bill Morgan
High Energy Load of Coffee?
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28) From: Rich
Home Equity Line Of Cedit
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From: Bill Morgan
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:24:20 -0500
High Energy Load of Coffee?
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29) From: Homeroaster
I'd go with --Kona Mike's--.
Then everyone would know who Kona Mike is.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

30) From: Larry Johnson
I like it.
On 7/3/07, Homeroaster  wrote:
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Larry J
Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do
it.
  - Mahatma Gandhi

31) From: Michael Wade
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Seconded.

32) From: Jim Carter
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Careful. Don't get Mike too excited. He might get a Kona Bona.
Robert Yoder wrote:
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Amber Systems, Inc.
414 Main Street Suite 211-C
Rochester, Michigan 48307
www.ambersystems.com
p. 248-652-3140 ext. 224
f. 248-652-3402

33) From: Angelo
Jim, please. There are children on this list. Then again, they might 
think you're talking about U2
A
PS. I also like the name, "Kona Mike's". It sound's like a place 
Humprey Bogart might hang out at...
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34) From: Brian Kamnetz
or "miKe McKoffee's Kona Cafe"....
or "Kona miKe McKoffee's"....
Brian
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35) From: Jim Carter
Really, Angelo???  You can't be serious! But, in case you are, I suppose 
a response is in order.
I never imagined that there would be pre-teens on this list. BTW, if you 
think a kid over the age of 12 isn't already familiar with that 
term/concept, you may be out of touch with reality. And I seriously 
doubt my comment would be enough for the morality police to give it a 
rating higher than PG-13. Furthermore, I believe there has been much 
more colorful language and adult-oriented conversation from others on 
this list. I know I've seen more offensive commercials on TV during 
prime time.
Nevertheless, I suppose I should take a more constructive avenue here. 
No need for anybody to get their panties in a knot (was THAT too 
offensive?). The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities here:
1. There are no young children on this list. Then there really is no 
problem and I apologize to Angelo.
2. There are young children on this list with parental consent. I offer 
my sincere apologies to those parents and children who were offended by 
my comment.
3. There are young children on this list without parental consent. I'm 
sure they've seen much worse.
In the spirit of getting something beneficial out of Angelo's 
admonishment, I would be very interested to know if there are young 
children on this List. Parents, please chime in and indicate the age(s) 
of your coffee-curious young'uns. I'm sure it would help me and others 
determine the proper age-appropriate language to use in posts.
Now, Angelo, if you were just joking and did not take offense at my 
comment, I'll have to quote the line often-repeated by Gilda Radner on 
Saturday Night Live in the late 70's / early 80's .......   "Never 
Mind!!!!!!"
-- Jim
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Amber Systems, Inc.
414 Main Street Suite 211-C
Rochester, Michigan 48307
www.ambersystems.com
p. 248-652-3140 ext. 224
f. 248-652-3402

36) From: Angelo
Jim,
Of course I'm not serious. lol Didn't you catch the reference to U2 
(Bono). I was just pre-empting some of the more "moral" people on the list...
Btw, that was a very nice apology. Just put it aside for when you 
really offend someone - and you will... :-)
Have fun,
Angelo
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37) From: TERRY TITSWORTH
I thought HELOC was what Walter Brennen called "the Masses" in Gary Coopers
movie, MEET JOHN DOE.
terryt
On 7/3/07, Bill Morgan  wrote:
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Start HOT and work your way Down...
Peppers AND Coffee.
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38) From: Tom Ulmer
I would gladly try to oblige anytime. I believe my roasting and brewing
skills have become a bit more honed in the years since then. It would be my
honor to have a fellow homeroaster critique my efforts again. The
information I garnered from homeroaster.com was quite beneficial in putting
together my roasting rig so it was indeed my pleasure show my gratitude in
return.
Cheers...


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