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Topic: Good Espresso Near Joplin, Missouri? (18 msgs / 498 lines)
1) From: Justin Nevins
Hello all,
I live in Joplin, Missouri (yeah, the one in the Route 66 song) and I am
pretty sure I have never had a great shot of espresso. I'd like to find a
place close by that I could find out what good espresso is supposed to taste
like. I know that I have had some terrible bitter, or sour (almost
puke-flavored?) espresso at a couple places, and I have also had a couple
shots that I liked at one place. BUT, I am still not confident those are
really what espresso should taste like...mostly because I question the
freshness of the beans. Any suggestions? I travel to St. Louis pretty
regularly, and Kansas City, Tulsa, and Oklahoma City are all close enough to
try and think up a reason for a day trip. Thanks in advance.
Justin Nevins

2) From: Sandy Andina
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It's one helluva long drive, but King's Coffee in Dearing, KS (NW. of  
Coffeyville and on much higher ground, thank goodness) had pretty  
good espresso and cappuccino (and meringue pies to die for) back in  
2003 when I spent a week performing for the Coffeyville Humanities  
Project.  If you don't mind a little evangelism (it's definitely a  
Christian coffeehouse, from the books on sale to the music on the PA  
to the murals on the wall), you will get a pretty good cup and a  
nifty treat to eat. (Call to make sure they're still in business and  
that the roads there are passable).  Neat little antiques shop across  
the street, plus an antiques mall in nearby Caney (on the KS-OK border).
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It's one helluva long drive, but =
King's Coffee in Dearing, KS (NW. of Coffeyville and on much higher =
ground, thank goodness) had pretty good espresso and cappuccino (and =
meringue pies to die for) back in 2003 when I spent a week performing =
for the Coffeyville Humanities Project.  If you don't mind a little =
evangelism (it's definitely a Christian coffeehouse, from the books on =
sale to the music on the PA to the murals on the wall), you will get a =
pretty good cup and a nifty treat to eat. (Call to make sure they're =
still in business and that the roads there are passable).  Neat little =
antiques shop across the street, plus an antiques mall in nearby Caney =
(on the KS-OK border).
On Jul 6, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Justin =
Nevins wrote:
Hello all, I live in Joplin, Missouri (yeah, the = one in the Route 66 song) and I am pretty sure I have never had a great shot of espresso. I'd like to = find a place close by that I could find out what good espresso is = supposed to taste like. I know that I have had some terrible bitter, or = sour (almost puke-flavored?) espresso at a couple places, and I have = also had a couple shots that I liked at one place. BUT, I am still not = confident those are really what espresso should taste like...mostly = because I question the freshness of the beans. Any suggestions? I travel = to St. Louis pretty regularly, and Kansas City, Tulsa, and Oklahoma City = are all close enough to try and think up a reason for a day trip. Thanks = in advance. Justin Nevins Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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3) From: Vicki Smith
The Mid-West Barista Jam will be in Kansas City July 21 at a place 
called the Roasterie. I'm betting you could find a whole lot out about 
the localish coffee scene there.http://www.theroasterie.com/Vicki
Justin Nevins wrote:
  I live in Joplin, Missouri (yeah, the one in the Route 66 song) and I am
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4) From: Chris Schepers
Might try Kaldi's in Springfield, its on Battlefield (close to Campbell, I 
think).. or maybe the Mud House downtown.  Its been awhile since I lived in 
Springfield, so I can't comment on the current state of coffee affairs 
there..  wasn't all that hot when I was there, though.
If you're willing to drive to St. Louis, KC, & Tulsa, there are options that 
are likely much better.  If you're in St. Louis regularly, Kaldi's is also 
there and good, and Riley's in Fairview Heights, Il is 
online-coffee-world-famous.
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Hello all,
I live in Joplin, Missouri (yeah, the one in the Route 66 song) and I am
pretty sure I have never had a great shot of espresso. I'd like to find a
place close by that I could find out what good espresso is supposed to taste
like. I know that I have had some terrible bitter, or sour (almost
puke-flavored?) espresso at a couple places, and I have also had a couple
shots that I liked at one place. BUT, I am still not confident those are
really what espresso should taste like...mostly because I question the
freshness of the beans. Any suggestions? I travel to St. Louis pretty
regularly, and Kansas City, Tulsa, and Oklahoma City are all close enough to
try and think up a reason for a day trip. Thanks in advance. 
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5) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
Ok so now who remembers Kaldi and why thay is a great name for a coffee
shop?
V/R,
FC1(SW/AW) Dennis W. True
Might try Kaldi's in Springfield, its on Battlefield (close to Campbell,
I 
think).. or maybe the Mud House downtown.  Its been awhile since I lived
in 
Springfield, so I can't comment on the current state of coffee affairs 
there..  wasn't all that hot when I was there, though.

6) From: Rich
The story goes that he was the Ethiopian goatheder who discovered the coffeee plant
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7) From: Homeroaster
Check out Riley's Coffee and Fudgehttp://www.rileys-coffee.com/1900 Lebanon Ave., Belleville, Illinois
If you don't like what you get there, it's likely you just don't like 
espresso.
Barry Jarrett is going to assure you get great espresso in his shop.  The 
fact that he's highly respected in the coffee world, and a 'United States 
Barista Championship' Technical Judge can't hurt.
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Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

8) From: Justin Nevins
Thanks everybody. That gives me a good starting point. I hope to get up to
St. Louis the first week in August, so I am going to try to get over to
Riley's. I hope to take full day while I am there to slow down, read, think,
& rest. Do you think Riley's would be an good spot for doing that (not the
whole day, but for 3 or 4 hours)?
Also, I have wanted to get up to the Roasterie in KC for a while. I need to
just put in on the calendar, otherwise it will never happen. I won't be able
to make it for the "Barista Jam" but I am not sure I want to. I've heard
egos can be pretty ugly at those sort of events.
Kaldi's in Springfield may end up being a stop on my way back from STL.
Again, thanks everyone for your recommendations.
Justin Nevins
-making friends realize their charbucks tastes like it was brewed with sour
cigarette butts since 2006.
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9) From: Larry Dorman
I usually hit Kaldi's while in Springfield.  It's decent most of the
time, but probably not reliably excellent.
I have been very happy with a place in St. Charles called Crooked Tree
Coffee House http://www.crookedtreecoffee.com/). It's just off of
I-70 before you cross the big bridge.
If you ever find yourself going through Manhattan, KS I can find the
name of an excellent coffee house there...  the name escapes me now,
but it was excellent and I could find it again.
LarryD

10) From: bb
Are they not probably using Chauvin coffee?  That seems to be the trend in
St. Louis if you're not Kaldi's, Northwest, Shaw or one of the other small
roasters/coffee shops.
On the whole, it's all pretty bad.  Out of every 50 cappuccino's I really
only get a couple that are close to being right (and with fresh beans).
Bill

11) From: Justin Nevins
Larry, I think Crooked Tree would be easy for me to try since I will be
staying in St. Charles anyway, I'll drop by some morning just for grins
(well, hopefully I'll be grinning).
I have heard mixed reviews from friends about Kaldi's in Springfield. The
most knowledgeable of them said it is inconsistent at best, but when the
choice is that or charbucks, I think it is worth a try.
I have heard of a roaster in Springfield called Churchill's coffee. I know
from seeing the beans my friend bought there, that they burn the crap out of
most of their beans, but they do offer some lighter roasts (light for them
though is probably FC+). Anyway, I think they have a couple coffee houses
there. I might check them out. Springfield is an easy drive from here. I
might regret it, but at least I would be able to speak from experience.
Justin
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12) From: Rich Adams
Broadway Cafe, 4106 Broadway, in KC.  Across from Bank of America and a few 
doors down from a *$
2 hours 42 minutes away from you according to Google maps.
They have a roastery right around the corner too.
Rich Adams

13) From: Mark Gilstrap
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The place I go when in Joplin is, of all things,  primarily a Bead Store =
- on the east side of Main Street,  north of 32nd.   If it isn't really =
good, then tell them (if they don't ask first) and then ask if they =
can't get you a better shot on the second pull.  They upgraded their =
Oscar and I think the first pull after a period of idle time is better =
now, but #2 is better still.
Also ask them for the names of nearby home roasters.  Apparently there =
is someone (a teacher?) in the Joplin area who is desparate to talk to =
others there - maybe its you?   I lost the little scrap of paper they =
wrote a name and # on, sorry.   I am assuming this homeroast connection =
may be your best hope for a great espresso near Joplin. 
I googled the bead store:   Wonderful Thing Beads  3021 S Main 781-0428
I would say that the Bead (and soup and miscellanea and ...) Store =
espresso is as good or better than anything (other than my own home =
roast) that I've had here in the Tulsa region in 10 years.  (Not that =
this means Tulsa has anything great... and I do really miss the Southern =
Indiana coffee!!  but that's a story Ed Needham and I repeat too often ) =

14) From: Justin Nevins
Chris,
Thanks for the offer. If I am ever in Jeff City I will certainly let you
know.
Mark,
Thank you for your recommendation. I am actually quite familiar with
Wonderful Things. The owners are great people. It is really the only place
with decent coffee in Joplin (that I have found). BUT, their hours are so
limited that I am rarely able to go by. Sometimes I go by for lunch (I love
the food), but even that can't be done on mondays or tuesdays because they
are closed. Truth be told, Wonderful Things is the "one place" (from my
original email) that I have ever had espresso that I liked. The coffee is
good. I think they get it from the Roasterie in KC, but sometimes it isn't
super-fresh. Its definitely the freshest you can get locally (aside from
homeroast). The reason for my original email is that I am looking for a
place that I can be assured what I am getting is a great shot so I have
something that I can use kinda like a measuring stick. Would you say that
their espresso is consistently good enough to be that standard?
Just FYI...I am not the aforementioned teacher, but maybe I should meet
him...
Justin Nevins
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15) From: Justin Nevins
Rich,
Sorry, I missed your post about Broadway Cafe. I have some friends who
recommended that to me recently. They really talk it up, so I will certainly
have to make a Saturday of it soon. Thanks for your recommendation.
Justin Nevins
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16) From: Mark Gilstrap
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Yes and no.  If you like the coffee they are extracting it can be close. =
 I
prefer something much more dark and caramelly.  The word "treacle" 
describes it, and while I have had great espresso of many different =
types,  
perhaps even at Wondeful Things, my standard requires this treacle taste
before I will say it is something for others to be measured against.   I =
am
not inflexible though and I cannot say enough good about Barry Jarrett's =
'Decatur Street Blend' (from Riley's - do go there if you can).    It is =
good 
for both drip and espresso.  We order 20 pounds at a time for roasting 
and serving after Church.
Intellegentsia's Black Cat comes close,  but the aboslute best example 
of what I like was in KC at Bar Stephano (now closed) using a Schomer 
tuned machine and 3-5 day old Espresso Vivace beans.   But that's just 
me - and if it isn't a dark treacle (chocolate stout for you beer =
drinkers)  
base with some highlights,  it is not "Super Great" (to me).  As a =
clergyman  
I don't use the term "God Shot (GS)",  but a SG treacle is truly =
heavenly (to me).  
In the draft of my first reply I had said, but deleted the point,  that =
if you 
are still questioning whether you have had great espresso, then you 
have not (unless as someone else pointed out you don't like it).  But I 
find the latter hard to believe - it's just that you haven't found that =
"great"
which you personally prefer.   When you do find that perfect espresso 
that makes you say,  "ah, now I know!"  don't forget that other people 
have different tastes and may not even like the one that is yours.
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him...
Just ask.  I'm sure they can find his number.  He works at some "center" =
if I recall.  I will be up there for the Joplin Hamfest (that's radio, =
not pork) 
in August.  I'll be sure to stop by more than once.   I almost bought a 
Shortwave radio from Wonderful Things last year - they are a blessed 
relief from the sameness.   In 10-15 years when Joplin is "the place" to =
live in the Ozarks, we will laugh at this present difficulty.   My =
family 
moved to Newton County in the antebellum 1800s, so I will always call it =
(and Southern Indiana from whence they moved) home.   8 generations 
are in Racine's Burkhardt Cemetery. 
o. Mark

17) From: Justin Nevins
Mark,
That's helpful. "treacle" is a description I like in theory. I will
definitely try Riley's. When is the Joplin Hamfest? Let me know if you are
interested in meeting up while you are in Joplin. If you are a beer drinker,
I always have some homebrew around (I am not the brewmaster...I just assist
my friend), and of course Coffee in abundance.
again, thanks for your help.
Justin
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18) From: Larry Dorman
I had forgotten about Churchill's... probably the therapy that was
required after the nastiness they served me... :(  As I recall it
tasted very much as though their equipment was dirty and/or not up to
temperature.
The choice between Charbucks and Kaldi's is an easy one...  Kaldi's is
miles ahead - unfortunately, that doesn't say much.  I've never gotten
a latte from them that I couldn't drink.  However, as I recall you
were looking for someplace you could benchmark against and they are
most definitely not that good.
LarryD
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