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1) From: Aaron
Mafia based business tactics?   Ahh,   I get it, if you don't like them, 
call them Nazi's, hitler, mafia, whatever group you can think of, then 
wash your hands of it... yep seen that tactic before..  Ive seen a 
computer before, and even used one a few times so I am qualified to say 
this.
Obviously somebody thinks their products are ok, or they'd not have sold 
trillions of dollars of them.  Amazing how those who whine about their 
evils, never come out with something better themselves.  Well almost 
nobody,  the linux / unix folks are doing that.  While I do not use them 
myself, I hear the mac's are pretty good as an alternative as well so it 
seems there are others who have made the switch. 
I see it this way,  if windows didn't have its problems that it did,  if 
it wasn't such a piece of crap as you proclaim it is, then your IT job 
probably would not exist there wouldn't be a need for you, or at least 
as many of you..   It's nice to bite the hand that is helping feed you.
Starbucks makes bad coffee (my opinion)  does that mean they used mafia 
tactics to sell it? Granted they are agressive, one has to be that way 
to be successful in the business world but last time I remember, nobody 
held a gun to my head, or anyones head and forced me to buy it or theyd 
kill my family... (yes stereotype here)  so Id think the mafia 
comparison is a bit off there.
As soon as you find a product that is perfect, never has a problem, 
never needs improvement, and doesn't cost a million dollars or so, 
please let me know because whatever it is, I bet im gonna want one.  
Just don't tell Maria about it, because then Tom won't have an excuse to 
take all them snazzy trips all over the world, claiming to be looking 
for a 'good coffee'.   Wow, I wonder what the carbon footprint of all 
them jet trips is,  he better raise his prices to 'offset' it, then our 
coffee beans can truly be called 'green'
Aaron

2) From: Mailing Lists
On Jul 28, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Aaron wrote:
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Take a read of the MS Antirust trial docs sometime and see how they  
did license deals back in the day.  See the various lawsuits where  
there was/is code in early versions of Windows preventing it running  
on other DOS's.  See how MS pretty much killed BeOS  and the Toshiba  
that was ready to ship with it and Windows and allowed the user to  
CHOOSE their OS.  Read the MS/Compaq spat over Netscape.  Lately  
their "patent infringement" threats against OSS software are just the  
latest.  I could go on and on, but the fact is that MS's business  
tactics are pretty much like the Mafia...
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I made that switch 5 years ago and it amazes me how much better OS X  
and Linux (server side) is.  However, businesses look at low initial  
cost and pretty much ignore TCO.  No independent study has ever  
pegged the Windows Ecosystem as having the lowest TCO.  Lowest  
initial cost, yes - lowest TCO, no.
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I've been through it all - came up through DOS, Netware, and Windows  
- am a RHCE and have tons of experience on OS X.  I'm not worried  
about a massive shift away from Windows - I'll do just fine.  Matter  
of fact, I'd like to see a reduction in headcount in the IT  
business.  Too many MCSE, MCSA, etc's that don't know their A$$ from  
a command line. I've had to show way too many MCSE's how to do things  
as they have no clue.  The MCSE is about as worthless as Novell's CNE/ 
CNA was back in the day.
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Starbucks didn't use the tactics - MS did.  However I know many thing  
think *$ is great coffee.  If nothing else, them (like Verizon  
Wireless) has a great marketing department.  That's completely  
different than what MS did to "ensure" that everyone ran Windows.
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Don't even get me started on the "green movement".  When I was a kid  
it was Russia blowing us up, plastic 6-pack rings killing wildlife  
and we were supposed to be dead from skin cancer because of the hole  
in the Ozone layer.  Now it's just some dubious science about an  
event (Global Warming) that has been happening since the Ice Age.


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