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Topic: Water filters (37 msgs / 1101 lines)
1) From: George
Anyone has any ideas if this system would be good for filtering water for
coffee making or if there are better units out there.   
Http://www.lowescom/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=129808-43353-WHER25&lpag=
e=none
George
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2) From: George
 First I thought it may be a bit expensive as the shipping is listed as $=
42
50.  But upon checking lowls again, it is cheap even if I "order it now"
instead of bidding.  I would save about $62 dollars and 8% NYS sales tax.=
 
Now I just have to get a Pay Pal account and one at ebay.
Thanks for the info.  At first I thought you had yours up for sale.
George
 
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3) From: Robert Shields
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I am new at this and have a question about filtering water.  My city =
water stinks and would really enjoy cleaning it up before brewing my =
fresh ground roast.  any suggestions?
Thank you,
Sgrmtn.

4) From: Rob Piirainen
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I've used Britta Pitcher water filters with good results.

5) From: Brett Mason
Robert,
This is a MUST READ regarding water and coffee...http://groups.google.com/group/alt.coffee/msg/54df56d71dbe3ef6?q=insanely+long+water+faq&hl=en&lr=&ieF-8&oeF-8&rnum=2Best regards,
Brett
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6) From: Rich
Depending on how much money you want to spend will determine the final solution.  One of the 
lower cost initially and on a continuing basis is a Brita water pitcher, or a generic equivilant.  A 
plain filter will not do much for foul tasting / smelling water.
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From: Robert Shields
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:37:30 -0400
I am new at this and have a question about filtering water.  My city water stinks and would really enjoy cleaning it up before brewing my 
fresh ground roast.  any suggestions? 
Thank you, 
Sgrmtn. 

7) From: Lynne Biziewski
Brett -
Seriously, I don't have the hours (or brain space - I'm SO burnt out on
classwork - and shouldn't even be
reading my email..) to read this.
Can you break it down to... what filter should I buy???
For me - need SIMPLE, please. Our water stinks, too (literally) and I can't
afford to purchase water - nor can I
lug them with my wheely backpack.
Lynne

8) From: Lynne Biziewski
Does anyone have any of the 'attach to the faucet' or under the sink variety
that
they like? I'm a patient person, but I'd prefer if I didn't have to filter
it twice...
Lynne
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9) From: Brett Mason
Personally, I use Cedar Rapids tapwater....  So I am not your expert.  But
between Jim, Mike and RayO there is lots of good info out there...
Brett
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10) From: Rich
The "attach to the faucet" filters are marginal at best.  The under counter models that function well are 
somewhat pricy.  It is a matter of "how much do you want to spend".  That is the first question.  Filling a 
2 quart pitcher is not that big of a task, even if you do it twice.
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From: Lynne Biziewski
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:18:07 -0400
Does anyone have any of the 'attach to the faucet' or under the sink variety that
they like? I'm a patient person, but I'd prefer if I didn't have to filter it twice...
Lynne
On 8/12/07, Alex Koreneff  wrote: Robert Shields wrote:
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I have two Brita filters. One I fill from the tap, the other I fill from
the first Brita.  The second pass honestly does help a lot, and I'm on
the not-too-bad Austin city water. The second one lives in the fridge 
(and I've not had any issued of food smell getting into the water, as
the water chamber is mostly sealed on this model).

11) From: Sandy Andina
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Some manufacturers actually recommend Brita pitcher filters over Pür  =
or bottled water.  The espresso tech working on my Livia does too,  
though Caffe West (who handled the warranty for both the Livia and  
Silvia) recommends Crystal Geyser, as does Jim Schulman's Insanely  
Long Water FAQ (which made my eyes glaze over).
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Some manufacturers actually =
recommend Brita pitcher filters over Pür or bottled water.  The =
espresso tech working on my Livia does too, though Caffe West (who =
handled the warranty for both the Livia and Silvia) recommends Crystal =
Geyser, as does Jim Schulman's Insanely Long Water FAQ (which made my =
eyes glaze over).  
On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Lynne =
Biziewski wrote:
Brett - Seriously, I don't have the hours (or = brain space - I'm SO burnt out on classwork - and shouldn't even be = reading my email..) to read this. Can you break it down to... = what filter should I buy??? For me - need SIMPLE, please. Our = water stinks, too (literally) and I can't afford to purchase water - nor = can I lug them with my wheely backpack. Lynne = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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12) From: Sandy Andina
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The "attach to the faucet" kind are not recommended--they filter  
chlorine and giardia but not minerals.  Some of the undersink models  
(which require a hole to be drilled in the counter or sink rim for  
the spigot) do, but not all; and they are sloooooow.    The filter in  
the line of my fridge's water dispenser does remove minerals.
On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Lynne Biziewski wrote:
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Sandy
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The "attach to the faucet" kind =
are not recommended--they filter chlorine and giardia but not minerals. =
 Some of the undersink models (which require a hole to be drilled in the =
counter or sink rim for the spigot) do, but not all; and they are =
sloooooow.    The filter in the line of my fridge's water dispenser =
does remove minerals.
On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Lynne =
Biziewski wrote:
Does anyone have = any of the 'attach to the faucet' or under the sink variety that they = like? I'm a patient person, but I'd prefer if I didn't have to filter it = twice... Sandywww.sass-music.com
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13) From: Randall Nortman
I have an undersink model that I quite like, with two stages (two
different cartridges).  It's the Culligan SY-2650, which is actually
just a rebranded Pentek US-1500.  It takes the Culligan brand D-250A
replacement filters, or the identical Pentek P-250A.  I bought mine
for about $100 a while back; I don't see it for that price anymore,
though.  Replacement filters last 4-5 months in this house (we go
through a *lot* of water) and cost about $35.  Conveniently, the unit
keeps track of how much water it has filtered and beeps at you when
it's time to change the filter.
In general, if you want really good filtration for more than just
removing chlorine and bad tastes (e.g., lead, mercury, MTBE), you want
a multi-stage filter.  A single stage filter just doesn't remove all
that much.  But it does certainly reduce chlorine and tastes/odors.
Filtering through the same type of filter twice does not count as
two-stage.  In a real two-stage filter, the filters are different
types, designed to remove different things.  (Sometimes multiple
stages are combined into one cartridge, but it still counts as
multiple stages.  I think the two cartridges in my unit might actually
themselves have more than one stage in each cartridge.)
You can spend a lot more than that and get better filtration, but I
determined that, at least a couple of years ago when I bought it, this
was the best bang for your buck.  It gets you 90% there for less than
half the cost of something that gets you 95% there.
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14) From: Lynne Biziewski
Ha - thank you, Sandy. Looked too much like the syllabus for Criminal
Justice class I'm taking. Makes my head hurt...
Lynne
(who will explore water filters after she finishes her assignments, if she
can actually figure out what she's supposed to do...)
The espresso tech working on my Livia does too, though Caffe West (who
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15) From: Lynne Biziewski
Thanks, Randall. I'll look into this one when I finish classes.
L.

16) From: Rich Adams
Yes.http://www.jamesfilter.com/index.asp?PageActionEWPROD&ProdID=8Rich Adams

17) From: Robert Shields
Randall,
Thank you for the useful information!
Robert

18) From: TERRY TITSWORTH
My city water has a distinct fish odor most of the time so I installed an
under sink unit made by American Standard. It takes a wide range of filters
from fiber/charcoal through some of the molded block materials that looks
like they could filter out the tiniest particles. Not being an extremely
technical type I can't tell you all the data about these, but I can tell you
that the type I have is considered a whole house type, even though it is
only on the cold water side of my kitchen sink. It was easy to install [has
to be if I did it] and easy to change the filter element. Pretty inexpensive
both to purchase and to maintain.
Installation requires mounting the upper portion of the filter system to a
sturdy location under the sink, cutting or replacing the existing water
line, install a cut off valve upstream of the filter, run line to the
faucet.
to replace the filter element, shut off the water valve, turn the lower
portion of the filter, dump old filter, insert new filter element
(recommended it be soaked in filtered water) twist the lower section back
onto the upper section then turn the water back on. My system recommends
running the water for about 10 minutes to clear out the filter particles
(charcoal).
I enjoy the taste of my filtered water more than a lot of the bottled
stuff my wife buys.
TerryT
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19) From: Justin Marquez
What purifier you need depends on what impurities you want to remove.
If you water stinks, that could be chlorine or sulfur or some organic
chemical. Probably a Brita filter would get it.
Some water has a LOT of mineral content.  Lubbock, TX - Odessa, TX and Fort
Stockton, TX are some that come to my mind immediately.  Only distillation
or reverse osmosis (membrane) would likely fix their water.  We stayed in
Lubbock's KOA campground in our RV one weekend. The first pot of coffee we
made ended up with fluffy-looking brownish precipitates floating around in
it. Probably due to a pH change and or adding the organic oils from the
coffee. It was truly nasty. We just bought a couple of gallons of purified
water from the supermarket, but that would not be an acceptable longterm
fix.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
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20) From: Robert Shields
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TerryT,
Your suggestions are very helpful.  I am thinking about an under the =
counter filtering system with flex copper instead of plastic.
Robert

21) From: Rich
Here is another potential failure point.  Many of these filter systems use compression fittings on the 
copper tubing.  This results in additional stress that will also lead to a brittle fracture of the tubing.  
make sure that only true flare connections are used.  these are the type of fittings used on gas and 
hydraulic lines.  They are no more expensive than the compression fitting so cost is not an issue.
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From: Robert Shields
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:18:38 -0400
TerryT, 
Your suggestions are very helpful.  I am thinking about an under the counter filtering system with flex copper instead of plastic. 
Robert

22) From: Homeroaster
I use three whole house water filters in series on my kitchen cold water.  I 
think one would do nicely with an activated charcoal filter.  I've operated 
mine with only one of those and it works fine.
Water is fresh and sweet.  Makes great coffee.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

23) From: raymanowen
We had Standley Lake soft water when we bought our house in 1973. As
soon as I found out the miasma Rocky Flats was putting into the water
run off that found its way to the lake, I installed particulate and
carbon filters in cascade on the 1/2inch kitchen sink cold water line.
You can get the filters and cannister bodies in the big box stores'
plumbing department. I got 'em at Sears originally. I spent less than
$50 total originally.
Two times since that we have remodeled the kitchen and plumbing got
moved around, I now have a Pur faucet filter and two big filters in my
parts box. The Pur filters come close but they cost as much for a box
of filters as I originally paid for my whole setup.
The water quality LED's in the Pur filter body are fiction, and the
battery is irreplaceable. $35 for a whole new body/ battery and two
filter cartridges. Archimedes Spiral job. Not today.
The kids are Grown and Gone (G&G), so the Hell Hole is demanding too
much wasted time for der Alte janitor and yard man.
Now to do some Sidamo on Sarah's power.
Cheers and Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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24) From: Homeroaster
Mine is an Omni.  I have all three units plumbed in with 3/4" copper pipe 
and fittings.  I saw a triple unit like this once and just built my own for 
close to $80 cheaper.  I think two would be fine.  One with a quality 
activated charcoal filter works fine, but adding another cheaper filter 
before that one makes it last longer.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

25) From: Les
Ed,
I run a similar system.  It is home built and much cheaper than the pre-made
systems.  Our water comes out of a river and is very nasty this time of the
year.  Once it is through my filter system, it is crystal clear and tastes
great.
Les
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26) From: Homeroaster
I think we are healthier because of the impurities filtered out.  The main
filter I use is activated charcoal block and it is supposed to filter out
giardia and several other digestive tract nasties.
...oh, and the water tastes way better.
You can't make great coffee with bad tasting or smelling water.  Chlorine or
chloramine (used by many water companies) ruin coffee as far as I am
concerned.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

27) From:
Rich:
Have usee used the Jamesfilter?
I did not find any information on the ppm's in any of the filter promo stuff.
My water is over 500 ppm here in Scottsdale, AZ, the Brita lowers it by about 5%, not enough.
I am trying a Zero water filter system which takes the ppm's to zero. I don't believe that filters are lasting a month which makes the water expensive.
I would be interested in any Jamesfilter personal use you have.
thanks,
ginny
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28) From: Rich Adams
Yes Ginny,  I use the Doulton Nimrod model.  My advice would be to call and 
talk to them.  They have been in the water filtration business for well over 
a hundred years.
The recommendation for this water filter company came from several folks on 
a colloidal silver list I participate in.
Respectfully,
Rich Adams

29) From: Leo Zick
the nimrod jamesfilter.
thats awesome
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30) From:
Rich:
Do you test your water for PH? Curious.
It looks like the Doulton is just what I want.
ginny
thanks so much.
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31) From: Gary Townsend
On 8/14/07, George  wrote:
Anyone has any ideas if this system would be good for filtering water for
coffee making or if there are better units out there.
George,
I bought mine from an ebay seller about 2 years ago ( same time that I
brought my Livia 90S home ) with great results.
here's the item # 150151356787, aquasafesystems 100 GPD REVERSE OSMOSIS
SYSTEM about $127. including shipping.
www.aquasafecanada.com
Gary

32) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
On 8/14/07, George <george> wrote:
Anyone has any ideas if this system would be good for filtering water 
for coffee making or if there are better units out there.
George,
I bought mine from an ebay seller about 2 years ago ( same time that 
I brought my Livia 90S home ) with great results.
here's the item # 150151356787, aquasafesystems 100 GPD REVERSE 
OSMOSIS SYSTEM about $127. including shipping.
www.aquasafecanada.com 
Gary
Well, you can buy my 2 4-head high flow everpure systems on ebay as 
of 4 pm pt today, but i wouldn't recommend it. kinda overkill ... 
it's housecleaning time here. i have such a hard time getting rid of 
things, especially things like these that were, well, inappropriate 
for my needs. these are the kind that filter all water for big 
restaurants, bars, coffeehouses, etc. not the kind for a guy like me 
with basically a coffee lab.
I am getting ready to head off to the Roasters Guild retreat early 
tomorrow, and trying to get some great new arrivals listed, so back 
to work!
Tom
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            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

33) From: Gary Townsend
On 8/15/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
Well, you can buy my 2 4-head high flow everpure systems on ebay as of 4 pm
pt today, but i wouldn't recommend it. kinda overkill ...
it's housecleaning time here. i have such a hard time getting rid of things,
especially things like these that were, well, inappropriate
for my needs. these are the kind that filter all water for big restaurants,
bars, coffeehouses, etc. not the kind for a guy like me
with basically a coffee lab.
I am getting ready to head off to the Roasters Guild retreat early tomorrow,
and trying to get some great new arrivals listed, so back
to work!
Tom
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Tom,
you really need to work on your sales technique:
"Well, you can buy my 2 4-head high flow everpure systems on ebay as
of 4 pm pt today, but i wouldn't recommend it."
;-)
Found it: eBay Item number:
250154880525
BTW that's a pretty nice looking coffee roaster that you picked up awhile
back; eBay Item number
270148023319
Coffee Bean Roaster that is operated by clock gears.

34) From: Howell Ite
I've been doing some research on water softening and water filtration.  I have not found much information other than the manufacturer's web sites.  Does anybody know if the undersink reverse osmosis systems would remove the salt taste from water softened with a salt tank water softener?  I have had a hard time determining this from the information I have seen.
   
  Also, does anybody have any experience with the Whirlpool whole house filtration systemin the link below?  I believe the system is exclusive to Lowes. 
   
 http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId1217-43353-WHELJ1&lpage=none   
  Currently we have unsoftened water running to our fridge and kitchen sink because the water from the salt tank water softener has a slightly salty taste.  I am looking for an option which would remove the salty taste so we could run softened water to the fridge and kitchen sink.  I have turned the water hardness setting on the water softener down considerably.  But sometimes the water does taste salty.
   
  Paul Andres
Gary Townsend  wrote:
  On 8/15/07, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
Well, you can buy my 2 4-head high flow everpure systems on ebay as of 4 pm pt today, but i wouldn't recommend it. kinda overkill ...
it's housecleaning time here. i have such a hard time getting rid of things, especially things like these that were, well, inappropriate 
for my needs. these are the kind that filter all water for big restaurants, bars, coffeehouses, etc. not the kind for a guy like me
with basically a coffee lab.
I am getting ready to head off to the Roasters Guild retreat early tomorrow, and trying to get some great new arrivals listed, so back 
to work!
Tom
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Tom,
you really need to work on your sales technique:  
"Well, you can buy my 2 4-head high flow everpure systems on ebay as
of 4 pm pt today, but i wouldn't recommend it."  
;-)
Found it: eBay Item number: 250154880525
BTW that's a pretty nice looking coffee roaster that you picked up awhile back; eBay Item number  270148023319
Coffee Bean Roaster that is operated by clock gears. 

35) From: Mike Chester
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Paul,
I am using the under sink Whirlpool 3 stage from Lowes and it removes =
the softened water flavor. I feed it to a hot and cold water tap on the =
sink, my ice maker and my espresso machine.   I also switched to =
Potassium chloride in my softener.  It has a sweeter flavor in the =
unfiltered taps. Stop by and see if you like the flavor before buying =
one.  My understanding of the RO system is that it gets the water so =
pure that all of the good flavor is also removed and the water is more =
reactive with whatever it touches.  
Mike Chester

36) From: javafool
I read the posts about people who do not like single stage water filters =
but
in my case, I must disagree to a point. I buy filters from =
FiltersFast.com
and am quite satisfied with the water for my coffee and drinking. The =
water
in Clearwater is not the best, so I treat it as follows:
1) First the water is softened.
2) I filter through a single FXULC Single Stage Under Sink Water Filter  =
@
$21.95. This is a carbon block the the water must penetrate with outer
filter covers installed in a simple (inexpensive) holder installed under =
the
sink. The filter cartridge properties are advertised as follows:
Reduces chlorine taste & odor, cysts, asbestos, turbidity, sediment and
rust.
The FXULC reduces the following from your water:
89% of Atrazine 
90% of Mercury 
98% of Lead 
92% of Lindane 
99.99% of Cysts 
97% of Chlorine taste and odor 
99% of Asbestos 
99% of Turbidity 
Class I Particulates 
Rust
The GE FXULC single stage water filter should be replaced every 6 months =
or
600 gallons.
3) Then the water is filtered through the refrigerator using filter =
4396510
Whirlpool Refrigerator Water Filters  @  $33.95. The specs on this =
filter
are:
The 4396510 Whirlpool refrigerator water filter improves the taste and =
odor
of the water and removes anything larger than .5 microns including the
following from your water and ice:
Chlorine taste and Odor  
Particulates (Class II) 
Lead  
Mercury 
Benzene 
p-dichlorobenzene 
Toxaphene 
2, 4-D 
Asbestos 
Cysts, Spores 
Turbidity 
Atrazine
I realize the difference between dual filters and running the water =
through
two nearly identical filters. But the under sink filter has basically =
two
stages in a single filter and the refrigerator filter is similar, but
slightly better, than the first filter. The results are what really =
matters,
and I am quite satisfied with the double filtered water from my
refrigerator. 
This set-up sure beats the heck out of my tap water and is much cheaper =
than
buying bottled water.
Best,
Terry

37) From: Robert Joslin
Hey Terry
     Glad your system produces good tasting water and coffee.  Particulates
are not much of an issue with most filters, but I would take the
advertisment claims from the box on metals, pesticides and herbicides with a
grain of salt.  Charcoal adsorption is certainly capable of effective
filtering of these materials if about half a dozen other variables are
considered.  Absent independent testing reports, the public is often left
trusting the manufacturer's truthfulness.  Sounds like your serial
arrangement of filters is a wise
one.                                                         Josh
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