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Topic: OT: green tea (19 msgs / 616 lines)
1) From: Bob
An interesting article written by a toxicologist.http://scienceblogs.com/angrytoxicologist/2007/05/natural_does_not_equal_safe_gr.phpMy anti-tea bias is revealed.
Bob

2) From: Stephen Carey
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And as one who drinks it help stay alive, along with 27 
prescriptions, 10 supplements, chemo, hormonal therapy, radiation, 
and surgery and I can post 10 articles that "prove" the opposite.  It 
depends on what we want to believe.
I think I will keep drinking it since I have lived 18 months longer 
than anyone thought, so all of the above is doing something.  And, 
along with that, I will learn how to roast coffee, for this is as 
difficult as I expected.  I knew it would be hard and it is.  So many 
variables to the equation of roasting good coffee.
Then there is always the chance that you roast it correctly and just 
don't like it.  Out of all of the types of coffee, not everyone will 
like every kind, as I am learning.  Though, they will admit, the 
flavor is far superior to what they have had in the past.  Kind of a 
pat on the head after a kick to the #$%.
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And as one who drinks it help stay alive, along with 27
prescriptions, 10 supplements, chemo, hormonal therapy, radiation, and
surgery and I can post 10 articles that "prove" the
opposite.  It depends on what we want to believe.
I think I will keep drinking it since I have lived 18 months longer than
anyone thought, so all of the above is doing something.  And, along
with that, I will learn how to roast coffee, for this is as difficult as
I expected.  I knew it would be hard and it is.  So many
variables to the equation of roasting good coffee.
Then there is always the chance that you roast it correctly and just
don't like it.  Out of all of the types of coffee, not everyone will
like every kind, as I am learning.  Though, they will admit, the
flavor is far superior to what they have had in the past.  Kind of a
pat on the head after a kick to the #$%.
At 10:28 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote:
An interesting article written
by a toxicologist.
http://scienceblogs.com/angrytoxicologist/2007/05/natural_does_not_equal_safe_gr.phpMy anti-tea bias is revealed.
Bob
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3) From: scott miller
It seems the article is more disparaging toward tea extracts and
supplements, not the drinking of tea.
I know some coffee shops you smoothie products that are a combination of
green tea and fruit puree & would have you believe this is somehow
beneficial.
Usual stuff: some food or food product is tested to have certain properties
in a test tube in a lab and it doesn't always translate to having the same
properties in the body. I'll continue drinking coffee and tea in their
normal forms because I like them, not because I think it's somehow going to
cure or prevent some condition.
cheers,
Scott
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4) From: Ken Mary
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Fine, more tea for the rest of us.  :-)
Here is an important quote from this article:
"Don't take tea-supplements! I wouldn't worry about drinking tea, though (i=
n
fact, I'm drinking a cup right now) as long as you're not a 10 cup/day
drinker. If you are, you should have already been worried about the
caffeine, anyway. If you're pregnant (congrats!), you should lay off the
tea; many herbal teas are fine but I'd look over this first. There are many
things out there that are fine for you, but when you make an extract or
concentrate, it becomes harmful (think poppy seeds and opium)."
For the most part, natural foods are to be consumed "whole". When you
partition foods, you may destroy the balance of toxins/antitoxins and wind
up with something harmful.
An example is the amygdalins in fruit seeds. The seeds of apples, pears,
cherries, etc are not only safe to eat but beneficial, containing anticance=
r
agents. But you should eat the seeds as you eat the fruit. When you collect
the seeds and eat a bunch of them by themselves or spin them in a blender t=
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make a smoothie, the amygdalins may decompose and form hydrogen cyanide.
On the other hand, gingko leaf extract is a valuable dietary supplement tha=
t
functions as an anticoagulant (blood thinner). But eating the ginkgo leaves
has negligible activity since other substances in the leaf counteract the
blood thinners.
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5) From: Leo Zick
oh come on. something else for people to whine about.
first off, they tested on cultured cells, and didnt provide a reference as
to the test or to the baseline conditions, etc.
second, the oxidation isnt typically released in green tea b/c its steamed
when its processed, which prevents it from releasing co2, like other tea
leaves can since they may be fermented during processing.
furthermore, its been proven that the ecgc's in tea aid in digestion, fat
loss, aid in iron and cholesterol reduction, and so on.  it hasnt been
proven by the FDA that it prevents cancer, but there have been other studies
which claim it helps.  either way, how much of a risk could it be?
it doesnt mean to overdo it either, as im sure the tests on the cultured
cells were performed. too much can cause liver problems. but then again,
coke can rot metal, and thats not stopping anyone.
anyway, why not just find out for yourself?
some studies on the contrary:http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050126/green-tea-fights-fatsummary from another study:
What makes green tea so special?
The secret of green tea lies in the fact it is rich in catechin polyphenols,
particularly epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG). EGCG is a powerful
anti-oxidant: besides inhibiting the growth of cancer cells, it kills cancer
cells without harming healthy tissue. It has also been effective in lowering
LDL cholesterol levels, and inhibiting the abnormal formation of blood
clots. The latter takes on added importance when you consider that
thrombosis (the formation of abnormal blood clots) is the leading cause of
heart attacks and stroke.
Links are being made between the effects of drinking green tea and the
"French Paradox." For years, researchers were puzzled by the fact that,
despite consuming a diet rich in fat, the French have a lower incidence of
heart disease than Americans. The answer was found to lie in red wine, which
contains resveratrol, a polyphenol that limits the negative effects of
smoking and a fatty diet. In a 1997 study, researchers from the University
of Kansas determined that EGCG is twice as powerful as resveratrol, which
may explain why the rate of heart disease among Japanese men is quite low,
even though approximately seventy-five percent are smokers.
Why don't other Chinese teas have similar health-giving properties? Green,
oolong, and black teas all come from the leaves of the Camellia sinensis
plant. What sets green tea apart is the way it is processed. Green
tealeaves are steamed, which prevents the EGCG compound from being
oxidized. By
contrast, black and oolong tea leaves are made from fermented leaves, which
results in the EGCG being converted into other compounds that are not nearly
as effective in preventing and fighting various diseases.
Other Benefits
New evidence is emerging that green tea can even help dieters. In November,
1999, the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition published the results of a
study at the University of Geneva in Switzerland. Researchers found that men
who were given a combination of caffeine and green tea extract burned more
calories than those given only caffeine or a placebo.
Green tea can even help prevent tooth decay! Just as its bacteria-destroying
abilities can help prevent food poisoning, it can also kill the bacteria
that causes dental plaque. Meanwhile, skin preparations containing
green tea- from deodorants to creams - are starting to appear on the
market.
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6) From: Sandy Andina
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oh, boy.  Excuse me while I flush my bottle of green tea capsules  
down the loo.  Guess when it comes to weight-loss supplements,  
TANSTAAFL, as the acronym goes--back to calories out vs. (the right  
kind of) calories in.  I think I will take my pro-oxidants in dilute  
form to wash down my my sushi, and stick mostly to coffee, wine and  
water the rest of the time.
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oh, boy.  Excuse me while I flush my bottle of green tea capsules down =
the loo.  Guess when it comes to weight-loss supplements, TANSTAAFL, =
as the acronym goes--back to calories out vs. (the right kind of) =
calories in.  I think I will take my pro-oxidants in dilute form to =
wash down my my sushi, and stick mostly to coffee, wine and water the =
rest of the time.
On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Bob =
wrote:
An interesting article written = by a toxicologist.http://scienceblogs.com/angrytoxicologist/2007/05/natu=ral_does_not_equal_safe_gr.php My anti-tea bias is = revealed. Bobhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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7) From: Sandy Andina
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One thing I have learned from most doctors--MDs as well as  
alternative practitioners--is that micronutrients are best consumed  
"on the hoof," with as little processing (even cooking!) as possible.
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One thing I have learned from most doctors--MDs as well as alternative =
practitioners--is that micronutrients are best consumed "on the hoof," =
with as little processing (even cooking!) as possible.  
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 Aug 22, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Ken Mary wrote:
From: Bob <rjbrashAn interesting article written by a = toxicologist. http://scienceblogs.com/angrytoxicologist/2007/05/natural_does=_not_equal_safe_gr.php My anti-tea bias is revealed. = Fine, = more tea for the rest of us.  = :-) Here is an important quote from this = article: "Don't take tea-supplements! I wouldn't worry about = drinking tea, though (infact, I'm = drinking a cup right now) as long as you're not a 10 cup/daydrinker. If you are, you should have already been = worried about thecaffeine, anyway. If you're = pregnant (congrats!), you should lay off thetea; many herbal teas are fine but I'd look over = this first. There are manythings out = there that are fine for you, but when you make an extract orconcentrate, it becomes harmful (think poppy seeds = and opium)." For the most part, natural foods are to be consumed = "whole". When youpartition foods, you may destroy = the balance of toxins/antitoxins and windup with = something harmful.www.sass-music.com
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8) From: Sandy Andina
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Well, I'll drink (an espresso with a dilute green tea chaser) to that.
On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Leo Zick wrote:
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Well, I'll drink (an espresso with a dilute green tea chaser) to =
that.
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Researchers found that men who = were given a combination of caffeine and green tea extract burned more calories = than those given only caffeine or a = placebo. Sandywww.sass-music.com
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9) From: Leo Zick
...the greener the better..
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10) From: Leo Zick
all sorts of diet stacks, as im sure you are aware, but, on the conservative
side, green tea and sesamin are great natural ways to aid in burning
calories
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11) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 8/22/07, Stephen Carey  wrote:
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I have had that happen, have run into coffees I just didn't like, But since
I usually get a sampler with my orders, in at least one case I have
accidentally bought another pound of a coffee I didn't like, and finally
recognized a flavor I previously didn't like as a citrus flavor. Once I
could name the flavor, I started to like it. Very odd.... Live and learn, I
guess.
Brian

12) From: Larry Johnson
There must be something in human nature that causes this. I hated the taste
of hops in beer until I learned how beer was made, what that taste was, and
where it came from. Now I love 'em.
On 8/22/07, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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Larry J (remembering that Sierra Nevada Pale Ale from last night....yum)

13) From: scott miller
I guess it really is different folks, different strokes.
It was the effect produced by beer that attracted me ... could have told me
it was made with coal tar and fermented mung bean paste...
cheers,
Scott (Retired Chemical Test Pilot)
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14) From: Leo Zick
i still dont like hops. :/
a pale ale is good, when its mildly hoppy, or a stout, when the malt
overcomes the hops :D
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15) From: John Brown
too much hops makes for a very bitter  beer or  mead
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16) From: Leo Zick
thanks for re-iterating my statement :)
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17) From: John Brown
in the past i brewed my own beer. and on one occasion helped to make my 
own whiskey about a quart
Leo Zick wrote:
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18) From: Michael I
I brew quite a bit -- mo' hops are mo' gooder.
Imperial IPAs are just the start...
And it's not just for the "bitterness".  Hops contribute tons of flavor and
aroma.  It's like saying that coffee shouldn't be acidic or bright.
Also, hops aren't an ingredient in mead.  Mead with hops is called braggot.
-AdkMike
(hophead)

19) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Claus_Th=F8gersen?=
Yes and like with coffee there are good bitterness and bad bitterness! A 
while back Itasted aa beer from a Danish microbrewery a little over 10 
percent alkohol and the IBU was way over 100, extreme but a nice beer in 
small quantity!!
Claus


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