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Topic: OT: Doom on UPS (51 msgs / 2644 lines)
1) From: George
Looks about a size 12 or 13 steel toed work shoe.  It leaves the impressi=
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similiar to mine.  No, I haven't retired from my job at NPG in CNY and mo=
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closer to Sweet Maria's and picked up an on the side retirement job. 
George
 
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2) From: George
Warning:  THIS POST IS RATHER LONG,   DEFINATELY AN O(ff).T. POST, BUT O(=
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T. FOR THE ORIGINAL O(ff).T. MATERIAL CONTAINED IN THE ORIGINAL THREAD.  =
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also combines another topic of late on water purity or something like tha=
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          ??????????
 I entered my first e-bay auction and picked up this system.   Since it i=
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coming so far and by slow UPS  boat it will be interesting how good/bad t=
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3 packages come. 
George
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the item description(s): --------------------------------
Your package is on time with a scheduled delivery date of 08/29/2007.  
(DEPENDING on open ocean and land weather conditions).
  
  
Type: Package   
Status: In Transit - On Time   (more or less) 
Scheduled Delivery: 08/29/2007  
Shipped To: MATTYDALE, NY, US  
Shipped/Billed On: 08/21/2007  
Service: STANDARD  
 
Multiple Packages: 3   
Package Progress 
Location Date Local Time Description 
HODGKINS,
IL,  US 08/23/2007 1:23 A.M. IN TRANSIT TO 
SEATTLE,
WA,  US 08/22/2007 11:22 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN 
08/22/2007 5:10 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN 
08/22/2007 5:06 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN 
08/22/2007 4:42 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN 
08/22/2007 4:13 P.M. IMPORT SCAN 
08/22/2007 8:00 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN 
RICHMOND,
BC,  CA 08/21/2007 10:11 P.M. EXPORT SCAN 
08/21/2007 10:10 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN 
CA 08/21/2007 7:46 P.M. BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED 
Here is the Item
Item Specifics - Item Condition
Condition: New 
Aqua-Safe MAXIMUS II 100 GPD ("RO+DI")SYSTEM  and INCLUDES MaXIMUS SYSTEM
PLUS $125.00 in accessories plus big savings on combined shipping:
1 PSI METER + 1 TDS METER  THESE TWO INSTRUMENTS ARE ESSENTIAL TO CHECK
PROPER PERFORMANCE
1 CASE OF 21 PRE + POST REPLACEMENT FILTERS 6 COMPLETE CHANGES   
1 BAG OF 48 OUNCES OF REPLACEMENT di BEADS: ENOUGH FOR 8 CHANGES 
Here is the Company info. (for anyone interested in this system). 
 We are the leading E-Bay vendor of reverse osmosis systems. Every home i=
s
different. Our free  24/7 forever tech support is a vital component of yo=
ur
purchase. We have over 20,000 domestic systems in use in every possible
environment. We have solved every possible issue. 
This unit is a top of the line system for those who want really, really p=
ure
water at the lowest possible price. It is RO plus DI (demineralization by
ionization)  to make absolutely  the highest quality water possible.  Thi=
s
is the water used in manufacturing computer chips, circuit boards and for
pharmaceuticals, and is virtually pure water. 
No one knows what is in our drinking water. There have been some 70,000 n=
ew
compounds created since WWII and each year we add about 1,000 more. Only =
10
000 have even been tested and, of those, some 800 have been found to be
carcinogenic. RO+DI gets virtually everything. The number one killer is
chlorine. It is the stuff that was used to make poison gas in the trench
warfare of WWI. And, we are drinking it why??? Imagine filling your water
bottle from a lake (or worse) and adding some bleach to it everyday for 3=
0
years. Now, imagine your liver and skin and blood chemistry. Well, that i=
s
what 99% of the North American population does everyday. Yuk!!
Our membranes are "Made in the USA" and fully certified by NSF. We buy ou=
r
membranes from www.appliedmembranes.com. They are TFC membranes made with
material from Dow Chemical. This membrane will auto-flush contaminants do=
wn
the drain. 100 GPD membranes are good for 5 years +/- IF YOU change the
pre-filters and you have "normal" water.
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3) From: Bob
SM already notified. This is a venting.
Today: UPS truck pulls up to deliver a 30 lb order. Box almost falls 
apart in the driver's hands. Bags inside obviously broken, beans leaking 
out. Driver is puzzled as to why I refused the order. Box is all beat to 
hell.
Two days ago: Driver leaves a 50 lb order of steel next to the front 
door contrary to instructions. The major problem is the thirty pounds of 
steel missing from the packaging. Packaging is broken open. Very 
obvious. Steel yard delivers rest of order in a pickup.
One month ago: The CD-ROM service bureau I work for gets a phone call 
from someone near Albert Lea in southern Minnesota. It seems two boxes 
of CD-ROMs (600) were found lying on the shoulder of I-90. Labeling 
confirms UPS was the delivering company. (we do not use them. This was 
an order shipped by a vendor)
I'm sure other companies have similar horror stories with shippers other 
than UPS.
So much for quality and care in job performance.
Bob

4) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
We hear a lot of stories and I think the picture it forms is this: in 
some areas UPS truly is awful; it depends a lot (A LOT) on the 
driver, and how the local distribution center is run. (And hey, a lot 
depends on how things are packed - few drivers are sitting there 
rejecting pickups due to poor packaging - they basically take 
everything, and some boxes are dommed to falure from the get-go. We 
are getting slaughtered on this new Bodum Bistro brewer - we keep 
putting it in bigger boxes, more foam, repacking the box interior, 
and we keep having to replace parts that arrived damaged. We think it 
might just be "unshippable" and we might have to drop it. Plus we 
found out some were arriving from Bodum with microfractures already, 
so that didn't help!) ANyway, My horror stories are numerous (like 
many people) and started when we took a few days off back in Ohio, 
left specific instructions to hold packages and have them delivered 
on the return date, and 20 or so deliveries were returned to their 
senders, not held, including a computer, which was completely 
damaged. That was a real pisser. Anyway, Bob, I am sure we are 
reshipping that already and hopefully it all goes smooth the 2nd time 
around.
Tom
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            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

5) From: John Brown
i have a problem disposing of all the plastic peanuts that come in the 
boxes.  big grin here
Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
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6) From: Paul Martin
Have you tried roasting them?  Wonder what the profile would be? 
- Paul

7) From: Jason
Tom and Bob,
Ouch sorry to hear about the shipping problems recently.  I will say
this, Tom is spectacular to deal with on issues like this.

8) From: Henry C. Davis
	Funny, mine arrived just fine, in fact I saved the box to store it in while
it rides around in the travel trailer. Maybe I better repack it before I go
on any trips! :-) One thing that helps with boxes like that is to put them
in a plastic bag and tape it shut under tension. It stabilizes the box and
helps protect it from wear and shocks the same as shrink wrapping it. Or you
can do something similar with one of those rolls of pallet wrapping plastic.
The problem is most likely that shock is transmitted through the foam
packing and the inertia of the glass contents destroys the box it is in. In
other words the contents of the box are destroying the unit packing from the
inside and if the exterior packing is breached thereafter parts fall out of
the box.
	I too hate the packing peanuts (I understand the need for them) because you
can't do anything but store them and foist them off on someone else in
another package. The air filled bags all connected together seem to work
well, but I suspect that is a serious investment in hardware. The cornstarch
peanuts were a sound idea but apparently too expensive compared to Styrofoam
and the foam ones became acceptable once they stopped using CFCs to create
them. But I expect with this product the box worked fine in bulk shipping
because the other boxes stabilized it from the inertia tearing it apart, but
in single shipping, there is nothing to do that, so more peanuts won't fix
it. Good luck with finding a solution, I like the Bistro and would recommend
it to others, but if you can't reliably ship it, I can understand why you
wouldn't be able to continue selling it.
			---Henry.

9) From: Vicki Smith
I'd be interested to see how someplace big like Amazon ships the Bodum 
Bistro. I wonder if they are having the same failure rate, Tom.
vicki
We are getting slaughtered on this new Bodum Bistro brewer - we keep
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10) From: Rich
The water activated fiberglass reinforced paper tape will also stabilize and reinforce the box.  Plastic 
peanuts do not protect the contents from direct shock.  Most packages are destroyed in the truck  
loading / unloading process.  The more of these cycles your package goes through the higher the 
probability it will be damaged.  The air bags come on a long roll.  I do not know the cost.  They provide 
more shock protection.
I have come to the conclusion that plastic peanuts have a very limited application.  I burn them.
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11) From: Jim Anable
WAY off topic, but allow me to vent about the trained apes at UPS.
Check out my delivery, just this weekend...
Notice the boot prints on top of the box:  http://www.seattle-attorney.com/private/speaker_damage.jpgNow I'm waiting to hear whether they will replace the speaker.">http://www.seattle-attorney.com/private/boot_print.jpgNotice the results:  http://www.seattle-attorney.com/private/speaker_damage.jpgNow I'm waiting to hear whether they will replace the speaker.

12) From: Jack Rogers
Ramp up slowly and stop when you start feeling lightheaded.  Cool immediately and don't drive or
operate machinery for at least two hours.
Jack
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13) From: Bob
Paul Martin wrote:
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Did a "roast" in the furnace up north by accident. Went straight to 
second crack and was seriously FRENCHED. Aroma was of benzene and burnt 
plastic. Was not really into drip filtering the resultant goo. 
Bob

14) From: Bob
Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
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Thanks Tom. This has been a fairly lousy day. The beans were supposed to 
be the highlight. Oh well. Let's see how UPS mangles a 4.5 inch angle 
grinder and a 14 inch chopsaw tomorrow. Any bets?
Bob

15) From: Henry C. Davis
I rather assumed that they were not inflated until used so that they take up
far less space than traditional packing methods. Then you would use
something like a automated foodsaver in reverse rig to inflate and seal as
many as you needed from the continuous plastic sleeve on a roll.... as
continuous packing machines do for small items like nuts and bolts. But if
they are already inflated and not much more expensive than styrofoam to buy,
store and use, they would indeed help eliminate some of the direct
shock/inertial response problem. And I suspect Amazon has fewer failures per
hundred units shipped for exactly that reason. Makes me glad that my UPS
deliveries usually arrive in pristine fashion, with a few notable exceptions
that were shipped from several time zones away and/or contained steel,
hydraulic fluid, bullets, edged weapons, industrial tools, etc. Once got a
lawn tractor deck with a scrap of the box tied with string to the deck and
no trace of the hardware and accessories, but that was a trucking company
and I have had far less luck with them. Fortunately I do not get my Costa
Rican Dota Tarrazu Conquistador shipped by truck even when I buy 60lbs! (My
wife shakes her head, reads me the riot act about available cubage, and then
drinks the stuff for 8 months or so...)

16) From: Rich
The air bags come either inflated or flat.  The inflated ones are probably cheaper as the flat ones have 
a one way valve.  The air bags are for light to medium weight items, but you can use a lot of them and 
they will do the job.  The other good packing material is closed cell poly foam.  It absorbs shock real 
well and is tough.
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17) From: Michael Dhabolt
I save all the different styles of packing material in large size
black garbage bags - the ones with a built in draw string.  If I can
use them - I do. If I can't use them and have too many bags to deal
with I drop them at a local store front pack and ship place.  They
love it when I drop off ten or fifteen bags........have you ever
noticed how much they charge you for this stuff if you are having them
pack something for you?
Mike (just plain)

18) From: Steven Van Dyke
At 01:47 PM 8/23/2007, you wrote:
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Have you tried the packaging trick with the expanding foam?  Leave 
the top and the bottom of the box open.  Set your interior package on 
something so it's centered in the box.  Put a big, loose bag / sheet 
of plastic over it and arrange it so it bags down near the center of 
the interior package.  Spray it full of the expanding foam, fold the 
bag / sheet over the top and seal that side of the box.  Flip the 
whole thing over and foam the other side.  If that doesn't keep it 
secure I don't know what will.
Plus, the receiver just has to pull on the plastic to lift off the 
top packing - no mess, no fuss.

19) From: RK
I switched from UPS to FedEx about 6 months ago, mainly due to increase 
cost.
I have heard no complaints about damaged goods or crumpled boxes yet, and 
several have been shipped out of country.
I hate the thought of replacing a product that is shipped to Denmark or 
Australia and then haggle with the shipper to get reimbursed
I know there are many doom stories about all shipping companys and FedEx is 
no exception, but so far so good and they are less expensive then UPS.
RK

20) From: Frank Parth
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I did the opposite. I switched from FedEx to UPS because I get better service from them and the prices for shippingare 
cheaper, especially overseas.
I have a customer in Qatar, and despite being a large international company their shipping address is a P.O. Box. 
FedExkeeps telling me they can't ship to a PO box, while UPS has no trouble with it and the packages arrive just fine.
Frank Parth

21) From: Sandy Andina
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There's always Fex Lax/Federal Distress.  Last year I ordered a pair  
of 15" Carvin speakers. Kinda hard to miss. Got the tracking number,  
made sure to be home--but requested the driver knock first (have a  
brass doorknocker that can be heard down the block) gave addresses  
and phone numbers of both my neighbors just in case. Delivery day  
came & went. I was up from 8 am on--and sitting in my front room in  
full view of my street. I went online and saw the legend:  "Delivered  
to customer 11 am==left on front porch. "  (In my urban neighborhood,  
two large boxes labeled "Carvin" might as well be labeled "Pro Audio  
equipment--STEAL ME"). Called up and was told that they would look in  
the warehouse just in case, but that the speakers were likely stolen  
from my porch. (Mind you, I did not see a truck at all).  After two  
days, the seller filed a claim, was paid two weeks later, and  
credited my Paypal account. The next day I came home from shopping to  
find the speakers, in their boxes with the original delivery dates on  
their cartons. Dragged them inside, and to my chagrin found that the  
driver in one had come loose and was unusable. Sent them back to the  
seller, who had to have the broken one repaired but at least found  
another buyer.  Postscript: bought a pair of Peaveys from Musician's  
Friend, they shipped via UPS, and they arrived overnight,
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There's always Fex Lax/Federal Distress.  Last year I ordered a pair =
of 15" Carvin speakers. Kinda hard to miss. Got the tracking number, =
made sure to be home--but requested the driver knock first (have a brass =
doorknocker that can be heard down the block) gave addresses and phone =
numbers of both my neighbors just in case. Delivery day came & went. =
I was up from 8 am on--and sitting in my front room in full view of my =
street. I went online and saw the legend:  "Delivered to customer 11 =
am==left on front porch. "  (In my urban neighborhood, two large =
boxes labeled "Carvin" might as well be labeled "Pro Audio =
equipment--STEAL ME"). Called up and was told that they would look in =
the warehouse just in case, but that the speakers were likely stolen =
from my porch. (Mind you, I did not see a truck at all).  After two =
days, the seller filed a claim, was paid two weeks later, and credited =
my Paypal account. The next day I came home from shopping to find the =
speakers, in their boxes with the original delivery dates on their =
cartons. Dragged them inside, and to my chagrin found that the driver in =
one had come loose and was unusable. Sent them back to the seller, who =
had to have the broken one repaired but at least found another buyer. =
 Postscript: bought a pair of Peaveys from Musician's Friend, they =
shipped via UPS, and they arrived overnight,
On Aug 23, =
2007, at 1:21 PM, Bob wrote:
SM already notified. This is a venting. Today: = UPS truck pulls up to deliver a 30 lb order. Box almost falls apart in = the driver's hands. Bags inside obviously broken, beans leaking out. = Driver is puzzled as to why I refused the order. Box is all beat to = hell. Two days ago: Driver leaves a 50 lb order of steel = next to the front door contrary to instructions. The major problem is = the thirty pounds of steel missing from the packaging. Packaging is = broken open. Very obvious. Steel yard delivers rest of order in a = pickup. One month ago: The CD-ROM service bureau I work for = gets a phone call from someone near Albert Lea in southern Minnesota. It = seems two boxes of CD-ROMs (600) were found lying on the shoulder of = I-90. Labeling confirms UPS was the delivering company. (we do not use = them. This was an order shipped by a vendor) I'm sure = other companies have similar horror stories with shippers other than = UPS. So much for quality and care in job = performance. Bobhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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22) From:
What about DHL, they are all over now.
ginny
---- Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee  wrote: 
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23) From: Jason
UPS a few problems over the years...
Fedex, none but don't ship with them much...
DHL???  I have a company that ships by them all the time and I don't
have a choice for shipping method.
5 packages to wrong addresses.  I believe their view is eh, he is on
the same street, he'll find it...
2 horribly damaged (Different from the other 5)
1 still in a dispute over them delivering it, which is BS.
Oh and I have had 9 packages in total delivered by DHL.  If you do the
math, I have gotten 1, only 1 package without incident.
On 8/24/07, pchforever  wrote:
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24) From: Tara Kollas
Don't even get me started on DHL.  Pray you never have a package shipped
overseas by DHL.  And pray you don't have to challenge the customs fees they
impose.
On 8/24/07, Jason  wrote:
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25) From: Aaron Scholten
  add an S to it for me....   as in  usps... the post office lost a 
package worth over $700 on me.  Now comes the fun part of tracking it 
down, dealing with the sender, and all that fun..   I am so tired of 
this shit.  at least you have something tangible to show them a 'look 
what you did' ... mine is gone... which means more BS to get a claim set 
up and honored.
I am really beginning to despise all kind of carriers lately.
Aaron

26) From: RK
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
when I ship out of the country I use USPS international express. They =
have done a good job for me so far and (knock on wood) no damaged drums =
or motor assemblies, and the costs is cheaper then UPS or FED Ex
RK

27) From: Larry Johnson
OK, class; what have we learned from this?
All carriers get it right sometimes.
All carriers screw up sometimes.
Shipping is another one of those pesky things that make life on this planet
so unpredictable.
I think Tom got it right; know your shipper. In one city or state, UPS may
be the standard bearer of carrier excellence. Somewhere else, they could be
"trained apes" (to quote an earlier post), and FedEx is the better choice.
Or USPS. Or somebody else.
FWIW, USPS has never fouled up any of my HFH orders. UPS has done well by me
also; no complaints about Brown. We use FedEx exclusively at work.  I have
some issues with their pickup/delivery practices (long story - not going
there right now), but they've never mishandled, damaged, or lost any of our
packages so far. I have had problems with DHL, so I haven't used them in a
while.
I think I'm lucky to have had such good luck so far.
On 8/24/07, Aaron Scholten  wrote:
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28) From: Bob
Larry Johnson wrote:
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It would be nice to. Turn over rates seem to be high, so getting to know 
someone is chancey at best.
BTW, USPS priority mail arrived with three boxes from SM. Everything 
arrived safely. Aaaaaahhhh! Mokha Kadir.
Thanks SM.
Bob

29) From: Wes Tyler
DHL is the worst of the lot here in Atlanta. They literally leave deliverie=
s in the driveway even when we are at home. Boxes are frequently torn. I th=
ink, as in all things, there are individuals who want to give good service =
and others who are just looking for sundown and payday.
Wes
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ubject: Re: +OT: Doom on UPS
What about DHL, they are all over now.
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---- Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee  wrote: 
> We hear a lot of stories and I think the picture it=
 forms is this: in 
> some areas UPS truly is awful; it depends a lot (A =
LOT) on the 
> driver, and how the local distribution center is run. (And=
 hey, a lot 
> depends on how things are packed - few drivers are sitting=
 there 
> rejecting pickups due to poor packaging - they basically take =
> everything, and some boxes are dommed to falure from the get-go. We =
> are getting slaughtered on this new Bodum Bistro brewer - we keep 
>=
 putting it in bigger boxes, more foam, repacking the box interior, 
> an=
d we keep having to replace parts that arrived damaged. We think it 
> mi=
ght just be "unshippable" and we might have to drop it. Plus we 
> found =
out some were arriving from Bodum with microfractures already, 
> so that=
 didn't help!) ANyway, My horror stories are numerous (like 
> many peopl=
e) and started when we took a few days off back in Ohio, 
> left specific=
 instructions to hold packages and have them delivered 
> on the return d=
ate, and 20 or so deliveries were returned to their 
> senders, not held,=
 including a computer, which was completely 
> damaged. That was a real p=
isser. Anyway, Bob, I am sure we are 
> reshipping that already and hopef=
ully it all goes smooth the 2nd time 
> around.
> 
> Tom
> 
> >SM=
 already notified. This is a venting.
> >
> >Today: UPS truck pulls up =
to deliver a 30 lb order. Box almost falls 
> >apart in the driver's hand=
s. Bags inside obviously broken, beans 
> >leaking out. Driver is puzzled=
 as to why I refused the order. Box is 
> >all beat to hell.
> >
> >T=
wo days ago: Driver leaves a 50 lb order of steel next to the front 
> >d=
oor contrary to instructions. The major problem is the thirty 
> >pounds =
of steel missing from the packaging. Packaging is broken 
> >open. Very o=
bvious. Steel yard delivers rest of order in a pickup.
> >
> >One month=
 ago: The CD-ROM service bureau I work for gets a phone 
> >call from som=
eone near Albert Lea in southern Minnesota. It seems 
> >two boxes of CD-=
ROMs (600) were found lying on the shoulder of I-90. 
> >Labeling confirm=
s UPS was the delivering company. (we do not use 
> >them. This was an or=
der shipped by a vendor)
> >
> >I'm sure other companies have similar h=
orror stories with shippers 
> >other than UPS.
> >
> >So much for qu=
ality and care in job performance.
> >
> >Bob
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30) From: Stephen Carey
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I have to say that I have been lucky, actually, that isn't true.  It 
is just that the delivery person for UPS cares about his work.  He 
knocks, if no answer he puts it in a lock bin inside our front screen 
door.  He has commented on all of the orders lately from SMs.  I told 
him what it was and he was genuinely interested.  I took an older, 
but good thermos I had, made the type of coffee I have really dialed 
into and knowing the next time he was to arrive, had it all ready for 
him.  When he came next I wasn't home, but I received a very nice 
thank you note, a clean thermos, and a desire to know more about 
Sweet Maria's.  Who knows, he may be lurking here right now.
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I have to say that I have been lucky, actually, that isn't
true.  It is just that the delivery person for UPS cares about his
work.  He knocks, if no answer he puts it in a lock bin inside our
front screen door.  He has commented on all of the orders lately
from SMs.  I told him what it was and he was genuinely
interested.  I took an older, but good thermos I had, made the type
of coffee I have really dialed into and knowing the next time he was to
arrive, had it all ready for him.  When he came next I wasn't home,
but I received a very nice thank you note, a clean thermos, and a desire
to know more about Sweet Maria's.  Who knows, he may be lurking here
right now.
At 09:23 AM 8/27/2007, you wrote:
DHL is the worst of the lot here
in Atlanta. They literally leave deliveries in the driveway even when we
are at home. Boxes are frequently torn. I think, as in all things, there
are individuals who want to give good service and others who are just
looking for sundown and payday.
Wes
----- Original Message ----
From: "pchforever" <pchforever>
To: homeroast
Cc: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
<sweetmarias>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:45:29 PM
Subject: Re: +OT: Doom on UPS
What about DHL, they are all over now.
ginny
---- Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
<sweetmarias> wrote: 
> We hear a lot of stories and I think the picture it forms is this:
in 
> some areas UPS truly is awful; it depends a lot (A LOT) on the 
> driver, and how the local distribution center is run. (And hey, a
lot 
> depends on how things are packed - few drivers are sitting there
> rejecting pickups due to poor packaging - they basically take 
> everything, and some boxes are dommed to falure from the get-go. We
> are getting slaughtered on this new Bodum Bistro brewer - we keep
> putting it in bigger boxes, more foam, repacking the box interior,
> and we keep having to replace parts that arrived damaged. We think
it 
> might just be "unshippable" and we might have to drop it.
Plus we 
> found out some were arriving from Bodum with microfractures already,
> so that didn't help!) ANyway, My horror stories are numerous (like
> many people) and started when we took a few days off back in Ohio,
> left specific instructions to hold packages and have them delivered
> on the return date, and 20 or so deliveries were returned to their
> senders, not held, including a computer, which was completely 
> damaged. That was a real pisser. Anyway, Bob, I am sure we are 
> reshipping that already and hopefully it all goes smooth the 2nd
time 
> around.
> 
> Tom
> 
> >SM already notified. This is a venting.
> >
> >Today: UPS truck pulls up to deliver a 30 lb order. Box almost
falls 
> >apart in the driver's hands. Bags inside obviously broken, beans
> >leaking out. Driver is puzzled as to why I refused the order.
Box is 
> >all beat to hell.
> >
> >Two days ago: Driver leaves a 50 lb order of steel next to the
front 
> >door contrary to instructions. The major problem is the thirty
> >pounds of steel missing from the packaging. Packaging is broken
> >open. Very obvious. Steel yard delivers rest of order in a
pickup.
> >
> >One month ago: The CD-ROM service bureau I work for gets a phone
> >call from someone near Albert Lea in southern Minnesota. It
seems 
> >two boxes of CD-ROMs (600) were found lying on the shoulder of
I-90. 
> >Labeling confirms UPS was the delivering company. (we do not use
> >them. This was an order shipped by a vendor)
> >
> >I'm sure other companies have similar horror stories with
shippers 
> >other than UPS.
> >
> >So much for quality and care in job performance.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >homeroast mailing list
>
>http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast> >To change your personal list settings (digest options,
vacations, 
> >unsvbscribes) go to 
>
>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings> 
> -- 
>
>                   
"Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
>            
Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
>                       
http://www.sweetmarias.com>                
Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
>
>      Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st
Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
>             
phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com
>
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31) From: Larry Johnson
Good job, Stephen. I get almost all of mine through USPS, and they take the
trouble of bringing it to the front door (it won't fit in my standard-sized
mailbox). I ought to consider doing the same for my carrier.
On 8/27/07, Stephen Carey  wrote:
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Larry J
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for people who can't read.  - Frank Zappa

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It might be fun to try.  I made black coffee, knowing that I can now 
make coffee that tastes like it smells, so he would like it.  Plus, I 
wanted it to be a surprise, so I wasn't going to ask him.  Just an 
idea, but a nice sort of tip and maybe a convert!
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It might be fun to try.  I made black coffee, knowing
that I can now make coffee that tastes like it smells, so he would like
it.  Plus, I wanted it to be a surprise, so I wasn't going to ask
him.  Just an idea, but a nice sort of tip and maybe a
convert!
At 09:53 AM 8/27/2007, you wrote:
Good job, Stephen. I get almost
all of mine through USPS, and they take the trouble of bringing it to the
front door (it won't fit in my standard-sized mailbox). I ought to
consider doing the same for my carrier.
On 8/27/07, Stephen Carey
<steve
> wrote: 
I have to say that I have been lucky, actually, that isn't
true.  It is just that the delivery person for UPS cares about his
work.  He knocks, if no answer he puts it in a lock bin inside our
front screen door.  He has commented on all of the orders lately
from SMs.  I told him what it was and he was genuinely
interested.  I took an older, but good thermos I had, made the type
of coffee I have really dialed into and knowing the next time he was to
arrive, had it all ready for him.  When he came next I wasn't home,
but I received a very nice thank you note, a clean thermos, and a desire
to know more about Sweet Maria's.  Who knows, he may be lurking here
right now. 
At 09:23 AM 8/27/2007, you wrote:
DHL is the worst of the lot here in Atlanta. They literally leave
deliveries in the driveway even when we are at home. Boxes are frequently
torn. I think, as in all things, there are individuals who want to give
good service and others who are just looking for sundown and payday.
Wes
----- Original Message ----
From:
"pchforever"
< pchforever>
To:

homeroast
Cc: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee <

sweetmarias>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:45:29 PM
Subject: Re: +OT: Doom on UPS 
What about DHL, they are all over now.
ginny
---- Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
<
sweetmarias> wrote: 
> We hear a lot of stories and I think the picture it forms is
this: in 
> some areas UPS truly is awful; it depends a lot (A LOT) on the
> driver, and how the local distribution center is run. (And hey,
a lot 
> depends on how things are packed - few drivers are sitting there
> rejecting pickups due to poor packaging - they basically take
> everything, and some boxes are dommed to falure from the get-go.
We 
> are getting slaughtered on this new Bodum Bistro brewer - we
keep 
> putting it in bigger boxes, more foam, repacking the box
interior, 
> and we keep having to replace parts that arrived damaged. We
think it 
> might just be "unshippable" and we might have to drop
it. Plus we 
> found out some were arriving from Bodum with microfractures
already, 
> so that didn't help!) ANyway, My horror stories are numerous
(like 
> many people) and started when we took a few days off back in
Ohio, 
> left specific instructions to hold packages and have them
delivered 
> on the return date, and 20 or so deliveries were returned to
their 
> senders, not held, including a computer, which was completely
> damaged. That was a real pisser. Anyway, Bob, I am sure we are
> reshipping that already and hopefully it all goes smooth the 2nd
time 
> around.
> 
> Tom
> 
> >SM already notified. This is a venting.
> >
> >Today: UPS truck pulls up to deliver a 30 lb order. Box
almost falls 
> >apart in the driver's hands. Bags inside obviously broken,
beans 
> >leaking out. Driver is puzzled as to why I refused the
order. Box is 
> >all beat to hell.
> >
> >Two days ago: Driver leaves a 50 lb order of steel next to
the front 
> >door contrary to instructions. The major problem is the
thirty 
> >pounds of steel missing from the packaging. Packaging is
broken 
> >open. Very obvious. Steel yard delivers rest of order in a
pickup.
> >
> >One month ago: The CD-ROM service bureau I work for gets a
phone 
> >call from someone near Albert Lea in southern Minnesota. It
seems 
> >two boxes of CD-ROMs (600) were found lying on the shoulder
of I-90. 
> >Labeling confirms UPS was the delivering company. (we do not
use 
> >them. This was an order shipped by a vendor)
> >
> >I'm sure other companies have similar horror stories with
shippers 
> >other than UPS.
> >
> >So much for quality and care in job performance. 
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >homeroast mailing list
>
>
 http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast> >To change your personal list settings (digest options,
vacations, 
> >unsvbscribes) go to 
>
>
 http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings> 
> -- 
>
>                   
"Great coffee comes from tiny roasters" 
>            
Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
>                       
http://www.sweetmarias.com
>                
Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
>
>      Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st
Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA 
>             
phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com
>
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33) From: Lynne Biziewski
Stephen -
I love that! Keep up the good (converting) work!
Lynne
On 8/27/07, Stephen Carey  wrote:
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Trust me, I will.  He comes today to drop off 8 pounds of coffee, 
supplies and the big shipping bags (collecting them to make something 
which will help turn the second bedroom into a coffee heaven).
I printed out the messages on this list that helped me decide to go 
with the machine I did, helped me with confidence, plus I printed out 
the main page of Sweet Maria's, plus made sure he has the Web address 
to it and knows how to get on the list.  I would love to see he and 
his wife on here.
At 10:54 AM 8/27/2007, you wrote:
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Trust me, I will.  He comes today to drop off 8 pounds
of coffee, supplies and the big shipping bags (collecting them to make
something which will help turn the second bedroom into a coffee
heaven).
I printed out the messages on this list that helped me decide to go with
the machine I did, helped me with confidence, plus I printed out the main
page of Sweet Maria's, plus made sure he has the Web address to it and
knows how to get on the list.  I would love to see he and his wife
on here.  
At 10:54 AM 8/27/2007, you wrote:
Stephen -
I love that! Keep up the good (converting) work!
Lynne
On 8/27/07, Stephen Carey
<
steve> wrote:
I have to say that I have been lucky, actually, that isn't
true.  It is just that the delivery person for UPS cares about his
work.  He knocks, if no answer he puts it in a lock bin inside our
front screen door.  He has commented on all of the orders lately
from SMs.  I told him what it was and he was genuinely
interested.  I took an older, but good thermos I had, made the type
of coffee I have really dialed into and knowing the next time he was to
arrive, had it all ready for him.  When he came next I wasn't home,
but I received a very nice thank you note, a clean thermos, and a desire
to know more about Sweet Maria's.  Who knows, he may be lurking here
right now.
At 09:23 AM 8/27/2007, you wrote:
DHL is the worst of the lot here in Atlanta. They literally leave
deliveries in the driveway even when we are at home. Boxes are frequently
torn. I think, as in all things, there are individuals who want to give
good service and others who are just looking for sundown and payday.
Wes
----- Original Message ----
From:
"pchforever"
< pchforever>
To:

homeroast
Cc: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
<
sweetmarias>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:45:29 PM
Subject: Re: +OT: Doom on UPS
What about DHL, they are all over now.
ginny
---- Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
<
sweetmarias> wrote: 
> We hear a lot of stories and I think the picture it forms is
this: in 
> some areas UPS truly is awful; it depends a lot (A LOT) on the
> driver, and how the local distribution center is run. (And hey,
a lot 
> depends on how things are packed - few drivers are sitting there
> rejecting pickups due to poor packaging - they basically take
> everything, and some boxes are dommed to falure from the get-go.
We 
> are getting slaughtered on this new Bodum Bistro brewer - we
keep 
> putting it in bigger boxes, more foam, repacking the box
interior, 
> and we keep having to replace parts that arrived damaged. We
think it 
> might just be "unshippable" and we might have to drop
it. Plus we 
> found out some were arriving from Bodum with microfractures
already, 
> so that didn't help!) ANyway, My horror stories are numerous
(like 
> many people) and started when we took a few days off back in
Ohio, 
> left specific instructions to hold packages and have them
delivered 
> on the return date, and 20 or so deliveries were returned to
their 
> senders, not held, including a computer, which was completely
> damaged. That was a real pisser. Anyway, Bob, I am sure we are
> reshipping that already and hopefully it all goes smooth the 2nd
time 
> around.
> 
> Tom
> 
> >SM already notified. This is a venting.
> >
> >Today: UPS truck pulls up to deliver a 30 lb order. Box
almost falls 
> >apart in the driver's hands. Bags inside obviously broken,
beans 
> >leaking out. Driver is puzzled as to why I refused the
order. Box is 
> >all beat to hell.
> >
> >Two days ago: Driver leaves a 50 lb order of steel next to
the front 
> >door contrary to instructions. The major problem is the
thirty 
> >pounds of steel missing from the packaging. Packaging is
broken 
> >open. Very obvious. Steel yard delivers rest of order in a
pickup.
> >
> >One month ago: The CD-ROM service bureau I work for gets a
phone 
> >call from someone near Albert Lea in southern Minnesota. It
seems 
> >two boxes of CD-ROMs (600) were found lying on the shoulder
of I-90. 
> >Labeling confirms UPS was the delivering company. (we do not
use 
> >them. This was an order shipped by a vendor)
> >
> >I'm sure other companies have similar horror stories with
shippers 
> >other than UPS.
> >
> >So much for quality and care in job performance.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >homeroast mailing list
>
>
 http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast> >To change your personal list settings (digest options,
vacations, 
> >unsvbscribes) go to 
>
>
 http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings> 
> -- 
>
>                   
"Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
>            
Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
>                       
http://www.sweetmarias.com>                
Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
>
>      Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st
Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
>             
phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com
>
> homeroast mailing list
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35) From: Lynne Biziewski
How cool is that!
I haven't reached anyone who is interested in even possibly roasting their
own. Well, my daughter told me she wanted to learn, and participated a bit
when she visited - but I have a sneaking feeling it's to impress her
boyfriend. That's O.K. with me.
Be sure to take some photos of your 'coffee room' at some point. You KNOW we
are the folks who would def. be impressed with that.
Lynne
On 8/27/07, Stephen Carey  wrote:
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36) From: Angelo
I think it depends on the delivery person. I had one delivery guy 
(UPS) who gave me his cell number so that I could call him to find 
out if he was still in the neighborhood after he tried to deliver and 
I wasn't home at the time...
Now, UPS has a number one can call to find out where the truck is so 
that you can go pick up the package..I have to say here that I live 
in Manhattan, so each truck only has a few blocks to service..
A
At 10:59 AM 8/27/2007, you wrote:
<Snip>

37) From: Lynne Biziewski
Yes, it all depends on the delivery person.
Even with the regular postal service - for the longest time, our mailman
was the grumpiest - no, meanest person I ever met. Didn't want to cross
him (thoughts of "going postal" ran through my mind..), but he'd leave our
mail on the floor of our porch, etc. Used to receive other people's mail.
(of
course, I still get others' mail - we moved a few months ago, and every now
and then, I'll get someone's mail forwarded to us - the city is the same
where
we lived, but the only resemblance to us is something like a first name is
SOMEWHAT similar to one of my son's last name. Of course - this has nothing
to do with our mail carrier...)
Fortunately, the grumpy guy has been replaced. Probably the result of MANY
complaints. Or who knows - maybe he just retired with a sweet pension.
(Hopefully
he hasn't been transferred to any area where he can abuse any of you guys!)
All I know is, I have a much better chance of actually GETTING may mail
now.
Lynne
On 8/27/07, Angelo  wrote:
<Snip>

38) From: Rich
Usually, the commercial vendor who is exporting an item understands how to pack something.  I 
would not expect a problem.  The problem usually occours with individual shippers.  There are 
exceptions, but not many.
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From: George
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:16:57 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
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combines another topic of late on water purity or something like that.            ??????????
 I entered my first e-bay auction and picked up this system.   Since it is coming so far and by slow UPS  
boat it will be interesting how good/bad the 3 packages come. 
George
-------------------------------   Here are the tracking details so far and the item description(s): 
--------------------------------
Your package is on time with a scheduled delivery date of 08/29/2007.   (DEPENDING on open ocean and 
land weather conditions).
     Type: Package   Status: In Transit - On Time   (more or less)    Scheduled Delivery: 08/29/2007   Shipped To: MATTYDALE, NY, US   
Shipped/Billed On: 08/21/2007   Service: STANDARD     Multiple Packages: 3     
Package Progress Location Date Local Time Description HODGKINS,
IL,  US 08/23/2007 1:23 A.M. IN TRANSIT TO SEATTLE,
WA,  US 08/22/2007 11:22 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN 08/22/2007 5:10 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN 08/22/2007 5:06 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN 
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BC,  CA 08/21/2007 10:11 P.M. EXPORT SCAN 08/21/2007 10:10 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN CA 08/21/2007 7:46 P.M. BILLING 
INFORMATION RECEIVED 
Here is the Item
Item Specifics - Item Condition Condition: 
New 
Aqua-Safe MAXIMUS II 100 GPD ("RO+DI")SYSTEM  and INCLUDES MaXIMUS SYSTEM PLUS $125.00  in accessories plus 
big savings on combined shipping:
1 PSI METER + 1 TDS METER  THESE TWO INSTRUMENTS ARE ESSENTIAL TO CHECK PROPER PERFORMANCE
1 CASE OF 21 PRE + POST REPLACEMENT FILTERS 6 COMPLETE CHANGES   
1 BAG OF 48 OUNCES OF REPLACEMENT di BEADS: ENOUGH FOR 8 CHANGES 
Here is the Company info. (for anyone interested in this system).   
 We are the leading E-Bay vendor of reverse osmosis systems. Every home is different. Our free  24/7 forever tech support is a vital 
component of your purchase. We have over 20,000 domestic systems in use in every possible environment. We have solved every 
possible issue.   
This unit is a top of the line system for those who want really, really pure water at the lowest possible price. It is RO plus DI 
(demineralization by ionization)  to make absolutely  the highest quality water possible.  This is the water used in manufacturing 
computer chips, circuit boards and for pharmaceuticals, and is virtually pure water.   
No one knows what is in our drinking water. There have been some 70,000 new compounds created since WWII and each year we 
add about 1,000 more. Only 10,000 have even been tested and, of those, some 800 have been found to be carcinogenic. RO+DI gets 
virtually everything. The number one killer is chlorine. It is the stuff that was used to make poison gas in the trench warfare of WWI. 
And, we are drinking it why??? Imagine filling your water bottle from a lake (or worse) and adding some bleach to it everyday for 30 
years. Now, imagine your liver and skin and blood chemistry. Well, that is what 99% of the North American population does everyday. 
Yuk!!  
Our membranes are "Made in the USA" and fully certified by NSF. We buy our membranes from www.appliedmembranes.com. They 
are TFC membranes made with material from Dow Chemical. This membrane will auto-flush contaminants down the drain. 100 GPD 
membranes are good for 5 years +/- IF YOU change the pre-filters and you have "normal" water. 
--

39) From: Frank Parth
Lynne,
I can't say that I have a grumpy/mean postal carrier, but the local post office (92692) should have the record for 
mis-delivering mail. At least twice a week I get mail for the same house number, but a different street.
I bought my house in 1994, and am still getting mail for a previous occupant. Apparently she skipped town owning a lot 
of money. No matter how often I tell the post office that she hasn't lived here in over a decade they still deliver 
mail addressed to her.
Frank Parth
<Snip>

40) From: Lynne Biziewski
Ah, but how about getting mail forwarded to you - with your correct name &
address on that yellow sticky forwarding label, but the mail is being sent
to someone who has "Frank" as a LAST name - and that happen to live in the
city (not even the same street) you want YOUR mail forwarded from.
That's what happened here. Twice.
Yeah, I'm getting some old mail (previous tenants), too.
Recently (I haven't posted a much needed plea for help yet, because I
haven't had a moment to breathe - but shall very soon..) I was gifted with a
wonderful surprise - an IR2!!
It got from SM's in CA, to Massachusetts OVERNIGHT. Wow - was I impressed!
Then it must have sat in the P.O. (My son said he suspected the postal
workers were sitting around, roasting coffee, and having a party...) It took
another (I think it was) 4 or 5 days to reach me. Across the country
overnight... then 40 miles in 4 - 5 days.
I think we still use ponies here...
But seriously - 1994 - guess you probably get the prize. You know, even if
these people DID find her - I think this is beyond the usual statue of
limitations.
Lynne
On 8/28/07, Frank Parth  wrote:
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41) From: Sandy Andina
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I'm still getting mail for the previous owner of this house--who  
moved 20 years ago and has been dead three years.  And our mail  
carrier appears to be somewhat dyslexic:  we constantly get mail for  
our address number on other parallel blocks as well as mixed-up  
numbers on our own block.  I have gone to e-billing and auto-pay as  
often as I can now so that I don't fall into the trap of receiving  
bills late or not at all.
On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Lynne Biziewski wrote:
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Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
www.sass-music.com
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I'm still getting mail for the previous owner of this house--who moved =
20 years ago and has been dead three years.  And our mail carrier =
appears to be somewhat dyslexic:  we constantly get mail for our =
address number on other parallel blocks as well as mixed-up numbers on =
our own block.  I have gone to e-billing and auto-pay as often as I =
can now so that I don't fall into the trap of receiving bills late or =
not at all.
On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Lynne Biziewski =
wrote:
Ah, but how about getting mail forwarded to you - with = your correct name & address on that yellow sticky forwarding label, = but the mail is being sent to someone who has "Frank" as a LAST name - = and that happen to live in the city (not even the same street) you want = YOUR mail forwarded from. That's what happened here. = Twice. Yeah, I'm getting some old mail (previous tenants), = too. Recently (I haven't posted a much needed plea for help yet, = because I haven't had a moment to breathe - but shall very soon..) I was = gifted with a wonderful surprise - an IR2!! It got from SM's in = CA, to Massachusetts OVERNIGHT. Wow - was I impressed! Then it = must have sat in the P.O. (My son said he suspected the postal workers = were sitting around, roasting coffee, and having a party...) It took = another (I think it was) 4 or 5 days to reach me. Across the country = overnight... then 40 miles in 4 - 5 days. I think we still use = ponies here... But seriously - 1994 - guess you probably get the = prize. You know, even if these people DID find her - I think this is = beyond the usual statue of limitations. Lynne On 8/28/07, Frank = Parth <fparth> = wrote: Lynne, I can't say that I have a grumpy/mean postal carrier, = but the local post office (92692) should have the record = for mis-delivering mail. At least twice a week I get mail for the = same house number, but a different street. I bought my house in = 1994, and am still getting mail for a previous occupant. Apparently she = skipped town owning a lot of money. No matter how often I tell the = post office that she hasn't lived here in over a decade they still = deliver mail addressed to her. Frank Parth >  Yes= , it all depends on the delivery person. > >  Even with = the regular postal service - for the longest time, our = mailman >  was the grumpiest - no, meanest person I ever met. = Didn't want to cross >  him (thoughts of "going postal" ran = through my mind..), but he'd leave our >  mail on the floor of = our porch, etc. Used to receive other people's mail. = (of >  course, I still get others' mail - we moved a few = months ago, and every now >  and then, I'll get someone's = mail forwarded to us - the city is the same where >  we lived, = but the only resemblance to us is something like a first name = is >  SOMEWHAT similar to one of my son's last name. Of course = - this has nothing >  to do with our mail = carrier...) > >  Fortunately, the grumpy guy has been = replaced. Probably the result of MANY >  complaints. Or who = knows - maybe he just retired with a sweet pension. (Hopefully = >  he hasn't been transferred to any area where he can abuse = any of you guys!) > >  All I know is, I have a much = better chance of actually GETTING may = mail >  now. > >  Lynne= homeroast mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to = http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings Sandywww.sass-music.com
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42) From: Daryl & Holly
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
too funny as we are coffee roasters and we often get customers calling =
or emailing especially around the holidays to let us know that they =
never got their order and i usually tell them that i think the postal =
workers like to keep it to send for gifts and to drink it at their =
company parties! Holly

43) From: Rich
The mail delivery person no longer sorts (cases) the mail that they deliver.  The USPS hires people 
who are incapable of delivering the mail to stay at the post office and case it for the delivery person.  
They come into work early in the morning so that the carrier is on the route by 0830 or so.  The larger 
the post office, the worse it is.
--Original Message Text---
From: Sandy Andina
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:38:25 -0500
I'm still getting mail for the previous owner of this house--who moved 20 years ago and has been dead 
three years.  And our mail carrier appears to be somewhat dyslexic:  we constantly get mail for our 
address number on other parallel blocks as well as mixed-up numbers on our own block.  I have gone 
to e-billing and auto-pay as often as I can now so that I don't fall into the trap of receiving bills late or 
not at all.
On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Lynne Biziewski wrote:
Ah, but how about getting mail forwarded to you - with your correct name & address on that yellow 
sticky forwarding label, but the mail is being sent to someone who has "Frank" as a LAST name - and 
that happen to live in the city (not even the same street) you want YOUR mail forwarded from. 
That's what happened here. Twice.
Yeah, I'm getting some old mail (previous tenants), too.
Recently (I haven't posted a much needed plea for help yet, because I haven't had a moment to 
breathe - but shall very soon..) I was gifted with a wonderful surprise - an IR2!! 
It got from SM's in CA, to Massachusetts OVERNIGHT. Wow - was I impressed!
Then it must have sat in the P.O. (My son said he suspected the postal workers were sitting around, 
roasting coffee, and having a party...) It took another (I think it was) 4 or 5 days to reach me. Across 
the country overnight... then 40 miles in 4 - 5 days. 
I think we still use ponies here... 
But seriously - 1994 - guess you probably get the prize. You know, even if these people DID find her - I 
think this is beyond the usual statue of limitations. 
Lynne 
On 8/28/07, Frank Parth  wrote: Lynne,
I can't say that I have a grumpy/mean postal carrier, but the local post office (92692) should have the 
record for
mis-delivering mail. At least twice a week I get mail for the same house number, but a different 
street. 
I bought my house in 1994, and am still getting mail for a previous occupant. Apparently she skipped 
town owning a lot
of money. No matter how often I tell the post office that she hasn't lived here in over a decade they 
still deliver 
mail addressed to her.
Frank Parth
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<Snip>Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
www.sass-music.com

44) From: Lynne Biziewski
Yeah - that reminds me of when I lived in AZ. We sent for a box of the usual
Italian goodies (stuff we'd find real easy here, like imported salami, other
meats, aged cheeses & really, really good olive oil (in a CAN, of course).
It got as far as Phoenix (we were in Tucson). We could almost taste the
cheese.. had visions of (real) pepperoni dancing in our heads.
It was due on Friday. Got the message on Thursday night that it was in
Phoenix.
Then nothing. We were finally told that it was damaged.
O.K. - we'll accept it damaged. (funny thing, our grocery store owner friend
said he really packed it well, and there was nothing breakable in the
package.
No, we were told - it's been discarded!
Discarded my tush. Those postal workers had a feast.
After quite a battle, the store was reimbursed, and we later received our
food - by another carrier.
On 8/28/07, Daryl & Holly  wrote:
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45) From: Lynne Biziewski
I surmised as much. Incredible.
so much for progress...
On 8/28/07, Rich  wrote:
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46) From: raymanowen
"...I get mail for the same house number, but a different street."
It's a contest they're running, but I have no idea how they score it.
I always take 'em to the correct address- but if I put the Archimedes
Spiral to it, I'll probably go to the Joint.
I wonder what poor slob has been getting My mail?
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"Cell phone" - I might need to borrow one.
On 8/28/07, Frank Parth  wrote:
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-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the
Mighty Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

47) From: Rick Copple
Frank Parth wrote:
<Snip>
When we lived in Kansas City, actually Grandview, we lived a block away 
from the post office. Our mail was continually getting messed up. We 
would get other people's mail all the time, no telling if we ever got 
all ours. Then we found out our house was on the training route for new 
postal employees. Hum, that explained a lot. ;)
I've lived in this house since July of 2000. We still occasionally get 
mail for the previous owner. And I get mail for my brother who has never 
lived here. Actually he lived with my mom back in 1996, and we stayed 
with her for a few months in Austin till we found our own place in South 
Austin. Had mail forwarded, but they tended to send my brothers mail to 
us even though we didn't list his name. Then we moved from South Austin 
to current residence in Marble Falls, and every once in a while we'll 
get something for him.
Can't complain too much right now on the postal service. However, we did 
have a carrier who for a while would leave priority boxes on top of our 
bricked in mailbox by the street. Might as well have put a sign on it 
that said, "Please steal me." But must have changed carriers or the 
"boss" found out and he was chewed out, cause they always leave it at 
the door now.
-- 
Rick Copple

48) From: Barry Luterman
Don't know what you guys are complaining about. My carrier person (She's 
female and I have problems calling her a Mail Female) not only brings my SM 
packages up 2 flights to my door but also brings up my afternoon paper that 
is in my driveway. Of course every once in a while she gets a pound of home 
roast. Spread the Aloha

49) From: Larry English
Yes, it does tend to be a personal/personnel thing - our mail people
(usually female also) are very nice and pretty efficient.  And they have
brought packages down 14 steps and up 3 to our front door more than once,
rather than leave it up at the mailbox by the street.  My gripe with USPS is
package tracking - they really aren't good at that, just not set up for it
or trained for it (both, I think).  UPS is nearly perfect here, and FedEx is
mediocre.  Your results may vary ...
Larry
P.S. Two weeks ago I did get mail for the former owner of this house - he
moved up to SF 24 years ago and died a couple of years later.  Don't know
who to blame for that, and it isn't really a problem anyway - what better
thing could they have done with it? (No, it wasn't a personal letter, just
one of those pre-approved credit card things - boy, was that ever tempting!)
On 8/28/07, Barry Luterman  wrote:
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50) From: Rich
The USPS does not provide decent tracking information on their website.  There is an other mailing 
outfit that has access to all of the USPS data and it is as good as UPS.  If you call your post office and 
they happen to be in an accommodating mood that day they can call it up also.  They know whee the 
package is at, they just are not real customer oriented yet.
--Original Message Text---
From: Larry English
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:08:23 -0700
Yes, it does tend to be a personal/personnel thing - our mail people (usually female also) are very nice 
and pretty efficient.  And they have brought packages down 14 steps and up 3 to our front door more 
than once, rather than leave it up at the mailbox by the street.  My gripe with USPS is package 
tracking - they really aren't good at that, just not set up for it or trained for it (both, I think).  UPS is 
nearly perfect here, and FedEx is mediocre.  Your results may vary ... 
Larry
P.S. Two weeks ago I did get mail for the former owner of this house - he moved up to SF 24 years ago 
and died a couple of years later.  Don't know who to blame for that, and it isn't really a problem 
anyway - what better thing could they have done with it? (No, it wasn't a personal letter, just one of 
those pre-approved credit card things - boy, was that ever tempting!) 
On 8/28/07, Barry Luterman  wrote: Don't know what you guys are 
complaining about. My carrier person (She's
female and I have problems calling her a Mail Female) not only brings my SM 
packages up 2 flights to my door but also brings up my afternoon paper that
is in my driveway. Of course every once in a while she gets a pound of home
roast. Spread the Aloha

51) From: Cookie (Ann-Marie)
I once got mail for an address that was nothing like mine, for a street tha=
t didn't even exist. I guess the mail carrier felt sorry for me, because I =
wasn't getting enough mail that day, so he pulled something out of the dead=
 letter box.
  What really amazes me is, there have only been two other f=
amilies that have lived in my house, yet we receive mail for at least 5 or =
6 unidentified names. 
  The guy who used to live across the street from =
here had his UPS packages sent to our house (his daughter owned the house b=
efore we did), because UPS refused to deliver to him. I didn't dare ask him=
 what he did to upset them. He seemed like a nice friendly old guy to us. =
  Cookie
 
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iginal Message ----
From: "raymanowen" =
To: homeroast
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:5=
9:30 PM
Subject: Re: +OT: Doom on UPS
"...I get mail for the same=
 house number, but a different street."
It's a contest they're running, b=
ut I have no idea how they score it.
I always take 'em to the correct add=
ress- but if I put the Archimedes
Spiral to it, I'll probably go to the J=
oint.
I wonder what poor slob has been getting My mail?
Cheers -R=
ayO, aka Opa!
"Cell phone" - I might need to borrow one.
On 8/28/=
07, Frank Parth  wrote:
> Lynne,
> I can't say that I h=
ave a grumpy/mean postal carrier, but the local post
> office (92692) sho=
uld have the record for
> mis-delivering mail. At least twice a week I ge=
t mail for the same house
> number, but a different street.
>
> I bou=
ght my house in 1994, and am still getting mail for a previous
> occupant=
. Apparently she skipped town owning a lot
> of money. No matter how ofte=
n I tell the post office that she hasn't lived
> here in over a decade th=
ey still deliver
> mail addressed to her.
>
> Frank Parth
>
> >  =
Yes, it all depends on the delivery person.
> >
> >  Even with the regu=
lar postal service - for the longest time, our mailman
> >  was the grump=
iest - no, meanest person I ever met. Didn't want to cross
> >  him (thou=
ghts of "going postal" ran through my mind..), but he'd leave
> our
> >=
  mail on the floor of our porch, etc. Used to receive other people's mail.=
> (of
> >  course, I still get others' mail - we moved a few months ag=
o, and every
> now
> >  and then, I'll get someone's mail forwarded to =
us - the city is the same
> where
> >  we lived, but the only resemblan=
ce to us is something like a first name
> is
> >  SOMEWHAT similar to o=
ne of my son's last name. Of course - this has
> nothing
> >  to do wit=
h our mail carrier...)
> >
> >  Fortunately, the grumpy guy has been re=
placed. Probably the result of
> MANY
> >  complaints. Or who knows - m=
aybe he just retired with a sweet pension.
> (Hopefully
> >  he hasn't =
been transferred to any area where he can abuse any of you
> guys!)
> >=
> >  All I know is, I have a much better chance of actually GETTING may =
mail
> >  now.
> >
> >  Lynne
>=
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ass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the
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ount) WurliTzer- 1976
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