(thought I sent this yesterday, but never saw it in the digest so am trying again...) Howdy, So I'm considering the upgrade from my Krups "pro aroma" drip machine (what the heck does that even mean?? Who is anti-aroma anyway?) to the coveted Technivorm. Given the cost, though, I want to ensure I get what I want. So some questions for the lot of ya: I like the idea of a bigger capacity, so will go with one of those. But glass carafe or stainless thermal carafe? Obviously the thermal would retain heat longer, but will it get stale and bitter in so doing? More so or less so than the glass one? So I guess, pros and cons of the glass vs thermal stainless carafe is the main question here. Also, more generally - what, if anything, do long-time users especially like and dislike about the Technivorm. At this stage I am not into branching out to other methods as my 4/4 teaching load and commute pretty much tethers me to an automatic machine that will make maximum volume of coffee at a time. But having said that, I am home 2 days a week and on those days, and on the weekends, I still go through the same volume of coffee - it just sits in the pot longer (and with the Krups, gets nasty pretty fast). So the only real option seems to me to be the Technivorm, and yet that price . . . . Thanks for your input!!! J. Zach Schiller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Sociology Kent State University, Stark
I love my Technivorm. I got it maybe 4 months ago. I'm not a hard core coffee guy. I roast in a poppery 1 and grind with a whirrly grinder just before brewing. It's sometimes hit or miss as far as taste goes, sometimes it's good and sometimes I accidentally hit the sweet spot and it's fantastic. That said, I brew to go, so I have a thermal carafe that I take with me to work. The coffee lasts pretty well and sometimes I get a different taste with the last cup. In fact, I accidentally kept the door closed on the drain and some of the grounds overflowed into the carafe. I forgot and when I took the last swig at work it was actually a pleasant surprise. The grounds were very sweet and tasty, although they were coffee grounds. Very different taste than the overall cup. Either that or I just can't taste the subtle flavors. Anyway, rambling mode off. I like my TV. Jeff On 8/23/07, J. Zach Schiller wrote: <Snip>
The "Krups "pro aroma" drip machine" means that is what you have right now. You're right, it's just a marketing tag. Save money and get the biggest model with the glass carafe (10cup?) and a Swissgold or equivalent filter. Brew a pot and dump it into a preheated airpot. That'll feep it fresh, hot and oxygen free for hours. Don't try to keep brewed coffee hot in any kind of open container. Everything nasty that could happen will happen, since you'll have the heat on and be open to oxygen. A stainless thermos is more rugged, to be sure, but doesn't retain heat as well as a glass thermos. (I have both types of airpots) The TechV is very versatile- I really appreciate it. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! Got Grinder?
I hate forgetting to turn on the switch that allows the coffee to flow out of the filter basket. You end up with a carafe with lots of grinds in it. I was fortunate enough to have purchased another carafe, so I can pour the coffee back through an empty swiss gold filter and filter out the grinds. Other than that one thing, I love it! Wes On 8/23/07, raymanowen wrote: <Snip>
The TV is great. I use the thermal carafe and the Swiss Gold filter. The instructions from SM were perfect. Brews a great cup of coffee. Bob
I have the TV with the thermal carafe. I really like it! Steel doesn't break like glass can. Our pot doesn't last long enough to worry about it going bad. Les On 8/23/07, Bob wrote: <Snip>
I love my Moccamaster CD (glass pot on a burner). I then pour off the coffee into a glass-vacuum insulated carafe if the coffee won't be consumed within the next 15-20 min. I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the TV's. If you get one with a carafe you may want to pre-heat it with hto water prior to brewing (so the brew doesn't cool when it hits the cold steel/glass). -- My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin
I love the coffee I get from the Technivorm. I think it is second only to the hand-poured Chemex coffee I sometimes make, which requires more attention and time. In some ways the TV could be better designed and/or made. It resembles equipment cobbled together in a chem lab, which is okay (watching the water boil up is actually quite entertaining), but it is fussy to clean compared to most commercial counter appliances. The outside has a ridged metal column and stepped arrangements of the plastic housing that can get kind of yucky. It has a strange little plastic platform that fits the base of the TV and sits beneath the carafe. This keeps getting separated from the base, which is a minor annoyance. (I take it on faith that it does something useful, which may be foolish of me.) The thermal carafe does not retain heat very well. In fact, when I run hot water in it to pre-heat it, it immediately feels warm on the outside (it should be better insulated). I brew an amount of coffee that can be served at once, so the quality of the carafe is not very important. For what you need to do, I would recommend a dedicated thermal carafe that I could take to work with me, and not try to make do with TV's. Despite all my grumbling, however, the Technivorm brews excellent coffee! I would never give it up. Kathleen
I brew with press pot, vacuum pot and chemex for variety, but I really love my technivorm. The only reason I could offer for considering the thermal carafe is that, as Les says, glass breaks. I've done it and its about $38.00 a pop with shipping. That would buy a bit of coffee! However, I like glass and am very happy with my machine! Welcome to the list and happy brewing! Josh On 8/24/07, Kathleen Tinkel wrote: <Snip>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Josh, I'm considering buying a Chemex, what would you say are the +s & -s of a Chemex vs a press pot. Recently I've been useing a press pot & Aeropress, I have found that I prefer the press pot with a Zass for single cups of coffee. I have found if I make multiple cups & put the coffee in a thermos it's good within a hour around 2 hrs its getting skunky. I'm thinking a Chemex might be better for putting in a thermos for later consumption. Also interested in peoples opinions on fresh Chemex vs Press Pot coffee, what I've read so for indicates Chemex produces an excellent if not superior cup. I'm also interested in Vacuum Pots but am leaning towards Chemex because they appear to be easier to clean & use. I'm too cheap to pop for a Technoverm & don't need the quantity & ease of use. For Mocha cappuccino protein shakes,http://www.wellements.com/proteinrecipes.asp I do these for the protien the Mocha improves them vastly, I'm useing a 4 tasse Brikka Mocha pot with SM Italian Espresso Blend with good results, I doubt that it makes sence to pop for a espresso machine for this. One of these days I may venture back into the deep dark world of espresso machines i.e. my laPovoni is dead & isn't worth fixing. Next thing is to go from my Poppery II to a BBQ Drum roaster to gain control of the temperature profile. Time to go try my 1st batch of San Jose Ocana I recieved & roasted yesterday with the Poppery II. Regards, Rob P.
You need both a Chemex and a press pot or something similar. Both brew coffee in totally different ways and each has it's own merits. I use Chemex daily and have since 1976. It's a clean cup of well extracted coffee. A press pot brews coffee with more oils and particulates left in the cup. It's also a good cup if it's brewed properly. There's a messy cleanup with a press pot if you want to keep it clean. Chemex is much simpler, with tossing the grounds and filter and rinsing the pot. Press pot coffee in a thermos tastes bad faster since the brewing pretty much continues with all the particulates in the brew. ********************* Ed Needham "to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************
Now that the Krups Moka Brewer (KMB) is available in the US again (though who knows for how long), I'd also suggest that pot for someone in the market for a very good cup of coffee who likes the kind of brew associated with French Press or stove top espresso. I don't have a Technivorm to compare it to. If you decide to give it a go, I have a tip sheet for it here: http://coffeecrone.com/brewing/kmb.htmIf you fall in love with it, as I did, I'd suggest getting an extra carafe and some of the replacement seals for it as well. The pot is not mechanically complex, and having replacements for the few things that can wear out or become broken, it should last a long, long time. I've used my pot for three years, and we love the 40 ounces of good, strong, European style brew it produces. vicki Homeroaster wrote: <Snip>
Ed, Thank you, logic & reason, that nails it for me. Rob P.
I am with Josh on this one. I love my Technivorm and I like the glass carafe. I too broke mine, but broke it when the next shipment of replacement carafes were still sitting in the Netherlands which meant waiting for about a month or so ... I bought two carafes. Still, a glass carafe is my personal preference and I put the coffee in a Nissan Thermos for taking to work. Whichever model you purchase through Sweet Maria's, make sure you get the #4 Swissgold cone filter to go with it and some Urnex Cleancaf ... Ben needs new shoes. Welcome aboard and just know that reading this mailing list will be a fascinating study in sociology. ;-) Respectfully, Eddie -- Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/
Rob As Ed says, the chemex brews a clean, mild cup...no oil, no particulates. The only cons I see (and I own two in spite of them) are: 1. I'm older and clumsier than I used to be and the chemex is, of course, glass and 2. heat retention is poor (I don't use supplemental heat after brewing). Fix enough to serve everyone one cup and them brew another pot, because that second cup from pot number one is only gonna be warm. (Actually I've grown to appreciate the changes in taste as coffee cools, but most folks of my acquaintance don't seem to care for lukewarm coffee no matter the brewing method.) I like press brewing too! It is usually the only method I use when traveling. I wouldn't put my self in an either or situation. You can get a perfectly good, functional press cheap. AND the newer machine blown chemex pots are less expensive, and have a little more heft (thicker glass?) Good Luck and happy brewing! Josh On 8/24/07, Rob Piirainen wrote: <Snip>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Josh, Thank you, I'm a old press fan, even more so with fresh roast, & have found it doesn't keep in a thermos as long & well as I'd like. Also I have a Aeropress & Mocha pot right now looking at the Chemex to brew larger quantities to put in a preheated thermos right away to take with me, the feedback indicates it will be good for that & I'm interested in having different brewing methods to experiment with. Ultimately I'd like all the toys to play with right now looking at the next step. BTW this site is a great learning tool I appreciate all the posts, right now I'm waiting for a Charbroil premium rotisserie to put together a 1 lb BBQ drum roaster, didn't have the loot to do the RK drum system, maybe later. Will let ya'll know how it works out hopefully in a month or so. So far here's my brew methodology breakdown, subject to revision with more experimentation & input: Press Pot - Fresh drink immediately robust coffee. Mocha Pot- Mocha for Protein drinks & if French press coffee isn't grabby enough, i.e. If don't feel like doing a bike ride slam down a 4 tasse Mocha. Aeropress - Traveling & camping because of ease of clean up, also good for protein drinks. Also better than French Press if drinking Starbucks Beans, etc. Chemex - Brewing larger quantities for thermos, who knows may become preferred brew. Also will likely be used for makeing coffee for guests. Vacuum Pot - Intriguing, apparently more difficult to clean more complex, very cool looking. Technivom - Expensive, convenience & quantities not needed by me. Espresso machine - Been there done that through several machines up to a laPavoni Europicola wich I enjoyed but now has a fried base plate, too expensive to fix. Some time in the future may pop for a Gaggia Espresso to see if I can get it right with that just because. Don't think I enjoy straight espresso more than I do press pot brew & not shure I want to mess with maintenance issues, that could change. Mocha Pot is working well for protein drinks presently. Regards, Rob P.
I use hot tapwater to rinse and pre-warm the Chemex pot, then brew and transfer what doesn't go into mugs into a pre-warmed thermos. Seems to be plenty hot that way. In 30 years of using Chemex, I've only had one break, and that was an accident caused by someone reaching over the top of the Chemex brewer to put a mug on a shelf and knocking the thing to the floor. I was impressed at how thick the glass was. Much thicker than what it appears at the rim. Close to 3/16" thick I'd say. The cheaper "A" versions (CM-3A, CM-4A) are much lighter and probably much thinner. I won't buy them. ********************* Ed Needham "to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************
I've been using a Technivorm (with the stainless steel carafe) for over a year. It's performed terrifically during that time. If you like drip, you won't be disappointed with it. Here are my only complaints (with suggestions): 1. Cleaning the inside of the carafe isn't easy. You really need to rinse it, put in a tiny bit of soap and water, put on the cap, shake it, dump and rinse until clean after every use. Have yet to find a bottle brush that will fit through the top. 2. No timer. I like coffee as soon as I'm up. A little investment in a good appliance timer takes care of it. I got a digital one that can be set for different times during the week and weekends. Just plug the TV into it and you've got a timer for autobrewed coffee. Good luck and enjoy. -- Brent My coffee is better than it tastes On 8/23/07, J. Zach Schiller wrote: <Snip>