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Topic: Weird GC Roasts (37 msgs / 1253 lines)
1) From: David Morgenlender
Yesterday, I did 4 roasts on my GeneCafe, and none of them went as =
expected.  In
general 1st crack & the overall roast time of each was 1-2 minutes longer=
 than I
expected, based upon previous roasts using this profile (not necessarily =
with
these beans).  Also, it was really tough figuring out where I was at in a=
 roast.
For example, very little 1st crack sound, hearing 2nd crack when I =
still think
it's in 1st, inconcsistent aroma vs. bean color when going for C+.  If =
this were
just one roast, I'd shrug it off.  But there was a strangeness with all =
of them,
the most prevalent being the slow roast.
BTW, the house central air condition was running, so the room temp was =
probably
74-76 degrees with low humidity.  But I've roasted under these conditions=
 before
without these problems.
One other thing I noticed with the Decaf roast (the last roast) ... the =
GC
showed a temperature no higher than 413F until reaching about 420F during=
 1st
crack.  It then dropped even lower than 413F until rising near the end of=
 the
roast.  The temperature setting was far above 420F, except at 300F during=
 the
first 5 minutes of the roast.  Unfortunately, I didn't pay attention to =
this
with the first 3 roasts.  BTW, normally, other than at the 300F setting, =
the
beans do not reach the set temperature ... but they come closer than this=
 some
of the time!
The beans I roasted were:
  Sumatra Classic Mandheling - FC+
    (but, I think I severely under-roasted this)
  Ethiopia Organic Idido Misty Valley DP - C+
  Ethiopia Harar Horse - Green Stripe - C-FC (uneven roast)
  Sumatra Organic Gayoland WP Decaf
    + Mexico Organic Chiapas WP Decaf
    (50-50 pre-roast blend) - FC (Maybe ???)
I brewed the IMV today after about 16 hours rest using a Chemex.  It was =
quite
good.
I brewed the Harar after about 22 hours using a SwissGold Single Cup.  It=
 was
INTENSE (especially tea & spice).  I think it will be good, but =
definitely needs
more rest.  As it was it was "interesting" & drinkable, but nothing =
special.
Any idea what's going on?  Is GC failing?
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2) From: Eddie Dove
Dave,
It is certainly possible that the Gene Cafe is failing, but try some
things first that will help you determine the cause and possibly help
Tim Skaling (see below) figure out the problem in the event you need
to contact him for warranty repair.  It sounds as though it may have
an airflow problem and if not, it may be a heater box or thermostat
problem.
If you have not already done so, flip the Gene Cafe over and give the
fine screen underneath a very thorough cleaning.  I use "computer
cleaning" brushes that came as part of a kit that connects to the 1
1/4" hose of mini shop vacs.  Be sure to brush the screen with
something, maybe a toothbrush.
At the other end, make sure the chaff collector is not clogged between
the two metal meshes.  The chaff collector comes apart easily with the
removal of some screws.  Once it is apart, be careful not bump the
"pegs" on anything, as they can snap off rather easily.  Also, make
sure the path along which the chaff travels is clear as well.
Afterward, from a cold start set the Gene Cafe to 482F and 30
minutes, and hit start.  Note its behavior and how long it takes to
get to 482F, or if it even does.  If on the way up, the temperature
starts to drop before it gets to 482F, give Tim Skaling a call and
let him know what the Gene Cafe is doing.  He may be able to diagnose
it over the phone and work something out so you don't have to send the
whole unit back.  Tim is a great guy and has always been very helpful
to me even though he often appears to be overwhelmed with the volume
of work he has.  If he has to send you a part, be sure to ask him for
some spare "rubber bumpers" for the chaff wipe.
Keep us informed.
Fresh Beans, Inc. (http://www.freshbeansinc.com) - U.S Warranty Repairs
Tim Skaling
Phone: 435-940-1616
Fax: 435-940-1964
Email: skales
alternate #s: 435-940-1616, (888) 757-2326
Fresh Beans Inc.
6436 Business Park Loop Unit G
Park City, Utah 84098
Ship to address:
Fresh Beans Inc.
PO Box 982410
Park City, Utah 84098
Respectfully,
Eddie
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Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 8/27/07, David Morgenlender  wrote:
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3) From: Brian Kamnetz
Dave,
You mentioned that the AC was on... is it possible that the AC was
draining power, so that your GC wasn't getting the amount of juice it
likes? Just a thought....
Brian
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4) From: David Morgenlender
Eddie,
Thanks for the suggestions.  I'll give them a try ASAP.
Dave
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5) From: David Morgenlender
Brian,
It's conceivable, but I doubt (or at least hope not!) it's the case here.=
  When
using my first roaster, a FreshRoast+8, I found that roasts took forever =
&
varied a lot.  It turned out to be voltage varying a lot, all to the low =
side.
The AC in particular caused problems.
I was happy to find the GC worked fine without using the variac (which is=
 heavy
to move & takes a lot of space on the counter when roasting).  This last
roasting session was the first time I noticed any of these problems, =
although I
never did any scientific tests to see if there were any issues =
previously, and
have roasted with the AC on.
The biggest voltage problems we had during AC use in my FR+8 days also =
resulted
in beeping surge supressors, lights dimming, etc.  We had none of this =
when I
did these last roasts.  I know none of this is a scientific analysis =
though.
Thanks for the suggestion.  I'm going to try Eddie's ideas.  Then if it =
seems
appropriate I'll run some tests with the AC on/off, using the variac, =
etc.  But
doing some of that cleaning Eddie suggested is probably a good idea IAE, =
so I'll
do that first.
Dave
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6) From: David Morgenlender
I just did as you suggested.
Cleaning out the GC, I found a lot more chaff than I expected!  It =
certainly
could have affected the airflow, but I'm not sure whether it would be by =
a
significant amount or not.
Then I tested the unit with an empty drum installed.  At first the =
temperature
increased steadily & rapidly.  Then it gradually slowed down, but kept
increasing.  At about 8.5 minutes, I noticed the temperature was staying =
at
447F!  It stayed there for probably 30-60 seconds. Then it started =
increasing
faster than it had been before freezing.  It reached about 470F & =
immediately
dropped back to 447F!  It stayed there a short time,    then it suddenly =
shot up
to about 470F almost (but not quite) instantly.  It then increased to =
480-482F
fairly quickly & I heard the relay clank (i.e. heat was satisfied).  I =
think it
was about 11-12 minutes at that point.
At the very least, it sounds like a bad temperature sensor, I would =
guess.  So
I'm going to give Tim a call.  I'll keep you informed!  Thanks for your =
help.
Dave
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7) From: Eddie Dove
Yup ... call Tim.
If you are comfortable working on it yourself, let Tim know and he
will likely ship you the part via priority mail to expedite things.
Let us know what the solution is.
Have a great and safe holiday weekend!
Eddie
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Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 8/30/07, David Morgenlender  wrote:
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8) From: David Morgenlender
Tim first suggested I use an exacto knife to cut through the nylon screen=
 behind
the slots on the bottom of the unit.  He said it's impossible to clean =
the
screen completely from the outside & it sounds like I'm not getting =
enough
airflow.  I did this & ran another test ... the problem was worse!  After=
 many
drops it in temperature, etc. I stopped the test at 15:30 & stable at =
471F;  I
was hearing the heater relay continuously clicking on & off.
I called Tim again.  He said it could be a sensor problem, or more likely=
 the
thermostat.  The sensor is an easy repair, but the thermostat is the =
worst on
the GC, since the thermostat is rivoted to the heater box, and requires a
special tool.
So now, I have a dilemma.  Tim said he'll turn it around within 1 day, =
but I'd
be without it possibly as long as 12 days (probably less).  So I can try =
to get
it out tomorrow, or try to sneak in a last roast or 2 over the weekend or=
 early
next week before sending it in.  I'll sleep on this one! :)
Tim said something interesting about cooldown after roasts.  He said to =
leave
more time than the cooling cycle after each roast, or at least leave 45 =
min.
after 2 roasts with cooling cycles.  Apparently, there's still a lot of =
heat
remaining within the unit after the cooling cycle.  He's seen some units =
survive
terrible treatment (e.g. many consecutive roasts using emergency stop w/o=
 any
cooling cycle) but others develop problems if not cooled adequately.
Thanks again for your help.
Dave
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9) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 8/30/07, David Morgenlender  wrote:
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Might be time to go to Harbor Freight and buy an Orange Glorious
People's Republic heatgun and a dog bowl....

10) From: David Morgenlender
Actually, I have my old FR+8;  but I've been spoiled by my GC ... and I =
probably
couldn't pull off a decent roast in the FR+8 without practice.
I bet Cody (our wonderful Sheltie) would let me borrow his dog bowl (I'd
probably have to let him have my bowl (filled) in exchange :) ).  And an =
order
from H.F. could even slip beneath my wife's radar.  Hmmmmm.  Something to=
 think
about!  Actually, it would probably be worth it to see my wife's reaction=
 after
spending all that money on the GC ... & there I am using a hair dryer =
(that's
what she'd think it is :) ) & a dog bowl to roast beans.  OTOH, I might =
not like
her reaction!
Dave
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11) From: Brian Kamnetz
David,
Actually I was just looking for the excuse to use Ray's description of
his orange heat gun. (Hopefully he will chime in here.) It seems that
he got only a few uses from his orange heat gun before it fried. If
you actually plan to purchase a heat gun, lacking specific info from
Ray, you would do well to go to a home center.
Brian
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12) From: Rich
Actually, go to SAMs and get a 4 or 5 quart stainless steel mixing bowl.  It will hold a lot of beans and 
they do not escape from the bowl and hide on the floor. Probably cheaper than the PetSmart dog bowl.
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13) From: David Morgenlender
4-5 qt ... that's a lot bigger than my dog's bowl!  Thanks for the =
suggestion.
BTW, can heatgun roasting be done indoors under a stove exhaust hood =
(which is
what I do with my GC & so far no smoke alarms going off) or is it =
strictly an
outdoor exercise?
Dave
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14) From: Rich
There will be a blizzard of chaff but minimum smoke.  I do this out in the garage so I can sweep the 
fallout out the door.  The beans only smoke on the way into 2nd crack.  If you can find a stainless 
steel whisk that you can add a handle extension onto stirring will be much simpler also.
I clamp a Master 751 into the bench vice and aim it into the bowl.  By setting the bowl on bricks I can 
control the heat rate by adding or removing brick and do not have to support the gun or bowl.  A nice 
set of welding gloves prevents blisters.  the bowl gets hot.  If you get the gun aimed right the chaff 
blows out way from the gun and does not get sucked into it, this prevents screen plugging and 
element melt.
Look for a 16" pizza screen also.  Make a cardboard ring and a double ring in the lower side to support 
the screen.  Place screen on box fan also on the ubiquitous bricks.  The low buck quick cooler.  You 
can do 2 lb of greens at one whack this way.  The only expensive item is the Master 751.  The Master 
is rated at 750 degrees and 23 cfm air flow. 
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15) From: jim gundlach
My guess is the smoke alarms would go off.   I guarantee any females  
in the house will go off in response to the coat of chaff on  
everything in the kitchen.   It is best done outside.
      pecanjim
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16) From: Rich
You do get enough smoke at the end of the roast and the air from the heat gun dissipates it 
sufficiently to setoff closely located smoke detectors.  The coating chaff is the big problem though...
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17) From: Vicki Smith
Unless it is decaf, heat gun roasting is definitely an outside or garage 
activity in my house. Actually, I roast decaf outside as well, but I 
suppose as there is no chaff, it could be done in the house.
Vicki
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18) From: Michael I
Rich,
You say that you can roast 2lbs that way?  What kind of time does it take
for you to get to first/second crack?
I use a 751 and a regular old dog bowl, hand held (the gun, not the bowl),
and it usually takes about 11 minutes for me to get 1 pound to first crack,
depending on ambient temp, wind, and phase of the moon.  I haven't tried
anything more than a pound, yet, but I would think that I'd start baking
beans, if I did.
-AdkMike

19) From: raymanowen
Guilty!
Actually, any excuse to use a heat gun is a good excuse, the Gene Cafe
notwithstanding. GC looks neat, but I guess they'll never show up as
educational tools at the thrift store like the Maestro I snagged
Glorious Orange did a great job and is probably more sturdy than my
experience. PLEASE pull an old (or new) nylon hose over the cool air
intake. I never did. Nuts. Filter the intake air.
You have great control, the HG is light and so is the price, at $9.99.
I assumed the 1000 rating was a joke when I bought Glorious Orange.
Not so- it did all three roasts very easily. It did 1000 F and more
at the end.
I learned some Chinese, too. "I'm Outa here" is Zap, Sput- Poof! in
whatever dialect...
Cheers and Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
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20) From: Rich
With the gun set for 750 F and aimed at the center of the bowl, remember it is a deep bowl, the end of 
the gun is about 5 inches from the beans and at an angle down into the bowl.  The chaff blows up out 
of the bowl and is not sucked back into the gun. I then whisk them through the air stream until they 
start to change color.  All of the whisking is done with the whisk touching the bottom of the bowl, it is 
lifted evey so often to make sure that all of the beans are changing color evenly, no bean hiding out on 
the bottom.  At the color change I tip the gun down into the bowl, almost straight down and the nozzle 
tip is maybe 3 inches from the beans.  Whisk briskly or they will bun.  About 15 min to vienna.  The 
bowl has a handle silver soldered onto it and the gun is clamped in the vice.  Two pieces of masonite 
on either side if the switch allow clamping lightly.  The bowl sits on paving bricks on a stainless steel 
mesh kitchen cart.  Only the whisk moves both gun and bowl are stationary.  I think it is the deep 
bowl that helps hold the heat in and the whisk stirs the beans without dragging in cold air.  I can 
incinerate a pound of greens in about 6 to 8 min if not careful.  Ambient temp is in the 80s and the 
beans start at 72 degrees right out of the air conditioned house.  I silver brazed a handle extension to 
an old cheap SS wire whisk to keep my hand out of the heat.  And welding gloves are required even 
then.  The bowl handle allows holding the bowl with the other gloved hand.  I do not know how well 
the OVE gloves would work.  I know that the welding gloves will deal with incandescent metal.  I 
would think that using a regular dog bowl would allow a great deal of heat energy to be dissipated in 
the air.  The deep sides of the mixing bowl seem to hold a lot of heat in with the beans.
I have 2 large dogs so I have lots of dog bowls.  I went with the mixing bowl originally because the 
beans tended to fly out of the dog bowl and both dogs seem to be adicted to coffee.  They chase down 
the excaped beans and eat them.  Coffee is not good for a dog.....
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21) From: Brian Kamnetz
Rich,
Your Master must be a 751a; I believe the 751b is rated up to
something like 1100 degrees. I'm happy to hear that you are having
success with the 751a. I wondered about it, even though Ray seemed
quite confident that the 751a was more than up to the job.
Brian
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22) From: Rich
Brian,
I have a just plain 751.  It is quite old  Also draws more current than either the A or B variation.  I think 
it has a higher air flow which keeps the total temperature down to 750 to 1000 degrees.  I should 
measure the heat output one of these days.  If you check the Master site you will see the different 
elements the 751 and 751A use the same element but the motor is different, not available for 751.  I 
suspect that the 751 and 751A have the same specs.  According to the nameplate the 751 draws 20 
amps and the minimum temperature is 750 degrees, there is no maximum listed.  I do need to measure 
this.
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23) From: Brian Kamnetz
Rich,
Wow, 20 amps. That is amazing. I thought the 14.5 amps my 751b draws was a lot!
Brian
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24) From: Rich
The 751 and 751A-c, the Canadian model both daw 20 amps.  I think it is the blower motor that eats 
the extra amps.  The heating element is the same for the 751 and 751A  I do not know what the 751a 
is rated at.  This one definitely draws the 20 amps.  The cord gets wam when used and it is as big 
around as your thumb.  The garage is wired for a continuous 25 amps at the outlets so this is not a 
real problem.
I will check the 750 degree setting output temp in the next couple of days.  These things put out some 
serious heat.  I have several other heat guns and they are pip squeak lightweights in comparison to 
the 751.
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25) From: Public
I have also been having weird temp issues recently with my GC.  My 1 =
year
warranty expires today and I'm in PA visiting my mom and won't return to =
NH
until next week.  I tried emailing Tim at the email address listed below =
but
it was bounced back.  Do you think I can get warranty service on this =
unit
or does 1 year really mean 1 year?  Thanks for the help.
Mike

26) From: Larry English
Mike,
  Tim's email doesn't seem to work but he answers his phone in Utah:
1-435-940-1616.
  My GC heater box failed this week, just a month or so inside warranty.
Talk with Tim about the rigidity of the warranty.   Bad press on the heater
and the temp sensor won't help the product much so perhaps there's a short
grace period.  I forgot to ask Tim for a valid email but phone discussion i=
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probably best anyway.
Larry
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27) From: Eddie Dove
Mike,
Tim Skaling is a very reasonable and very nice guy.  Just give him a
call and explain that you had to go out of town.  I can't imagine that
he wouldn't be understanding and try to help you out.
Respectfully,
Eddie
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28) From: Public
Thanks guys for the info.  I will give Tim a call as soon as I get back
home.  From everything I have read in the past he does seem reasonable so
hopefully within 1 week of the warranty expiration he'll be lenient!  :-)
Enjoy the holiday weekend everyone.
Mike

29) From: raymanowen
"chaff blows up out of the bowl and is not sucked back into the gun"
Thats exactly what I thought, too. -ro
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30) From: Rich
well, when it does snarf up a stray piece of chaff it is blown through the heating element and promptly 
exits the hot end as a small comet.  The Master 751s are mostly open and have no screen to clog on the 
suction side, intelligent design...
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From: Rich 
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Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:23:20 PM
Subject: Re: +Weird GC Roasts
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There will be a blizzard of chaff but minimum smoke.  I do this out in t=
he garage so I can sweep the 
fallout out the door.  The beans only smoke=
 on the way into 2nd crack.  If you can find a stainless 
steel whisk tha=
t you can add a handle extension onto stirring will be much simpler also.=
I clamp a Master 751 into the bench vice and aim it into the bowl.  B=
y setting the bowl on bricks I can 
control the heat rate by adding or re=
moving brick and do not have to support the gun or bowl.  A nice 
set of =
welding gloves prevents blisters.  the bowl gets hot.  If you get the gun a=
imed right the chaff 
blows out way from the gun and does not get sucked =
into it, this prevents screen plugging and 
element melt.
Look for a=
 16" pizza screen also.  Make a cardboard ring and a double ring in the low=
er side to support 
the screen.  Place screen on box fan also on the ubiq=
uitous bricks.  The low buck quick cooler.  You 
can do 2 lb of greens at=
 one whack this way.  The only expensive item is the Master 751.  The Maste=
r 
is rated at 750 degrees and 23 cfm air flow. 
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007 23:53:35 -0400, David Morgenlender wrote:
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>what I=
 do with my GC & so far no smoke alarms going off) or is it strictly an
>=
outdoor exercise?
>Dave
>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:19:25 -0500, y=
ou wrote:
>>Actually, go to SAMs and get a 4 or 5 quart stainless stee=
l mixing bowl.  It will hold a lot of beans 
and 
>>they do not escape =
from the bowl and hide on the floor. Probably cheaper than the PetSmart dog=
 
bowl.
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:04:54 -0400, David Morgenlen=
der wrote:
>>
>>>Actually, I have my old FR+8;  but I've been spoiled b=
y my GC ... and I probably
>>>couldn't pull off a decent roast in the FR+=
8 without practice.
>>
>>>I bet Cody (our wonderful Sheltie) would let =
me borrow his dog bowl (I'd
>>>probably have to let him have my bowl (fil=
led) in exchange :) ).  And an order
>>>from H.F. could even slip beneath=
 my wife's radar.  Hmmmmm.  Something to think
>>>about!  Actually, it wo=
uld probably be worth it to see my wife's reaction after
>>>spending all =
that money on the GC ... & there I am using a hair dryer (that's
>>>what =
she'd think it is :) ) & a dog bowl to roast beans.  OTOH, I might not like=
>>>her reaction!
>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:20=
:50 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>>>On 8/30/07, David Morgenlender  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So now, I have a dilemma.  Tim said he'l=
l turn it around within 1 day, but I'd
>>>>> be without it possibly as lo=
ng as 12 days (probably less).
>>>>
>>>>Might be time to go to Harbor F=
reight and buy an Orange Glorious
>>>>People's Republic heatgun and a dog=
 bowl....
>>>>
>>>>homer=
oast mailing list
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, unsvbscribes) go to 
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==========================
============
>>>Dave Morgenlender
>>>e-mail: dm=
orgen
>>>==================
==========================
=============
>>
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32) From: Larry Johnson
The neighbors already think I'm goofy; standing out on my deck, heat gun
pointed into a bread machine, blizzard of brown chaff around me. Goggles
would complete the image, fer sher.
On 9/4/07, Cookie (Ann-Marie)  wrote:
<Snip>
-- 
Larry J

33) From: Wes Tyler
Larry..that is a picture!!
Wes
----- Original Message ----
From: L=
arry Johnson 
To: homeroast=
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:57:02 PM
Subject: Re: +Weird GC Roa=
sts
The neighbors already think I'm goofy; standing out on my deck, he=
at gun pointed into a bread machine, blizzard of brown chaff around me. Gog=
gles would complete the image, fer sher.
On 9/4/07, Cookie (Ann-=
Marie)  wrote:
I think I would also invest in a p=
air of goggles to keep the chaff out of your eyes.
   Cookie
 
=
 http://cookiestitches.blogspot.com----- Original Mess=
age ----
From: Rich <
rich-mail>
To: "homeroast=
etmarias.com" <
homeroast>
Sent: Thursday, August=
 30, 2007 11:23:20 PM
Subject: Re: +Weird GC Roasts
There will be=
 a blizzard of chaff but minimum smoke.  I do this out in the garage so I c=
an sweep the 
fallout out the door.  The beans only smoke on the way into=
 2nd crack.  If you can find a stainless 
steel whisk that you can add=
 a handle extension onto stirring will be much simpler also.
I clamp a=
 Master 751 into the bench vice and aim it into the bowl.  By setting the b=
owl on bricks I can 
control the heat rate by adding or removing brick an=
d do not have to support the gun or bowl.  A nice 
set of welding glov=
es prevents blisters.  the bowl gets hot.  If you get the gun aimed right t=
he chaff 
blows out way from the gun and does not get sucked into it, thi=
s prevents screen plugging and 
element melt.
Look for a 16" pizz=
a screen also.  Make a cardboard ring and a double ring in the lower side t=
o support 
the screen.  Place
 screen on box fan also on the ubiquitous=
 bricks.  The low buck quick cooler.  You 
can do 2 lb of greens at one w=
hack this way.  The only expensive item is the Master 751.  The Master 
i=
s rated at 750 degrees and 23 cfm air flow. 
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007=
 23:53:35 -0400, David Morgenlender wrote:
>4-5 qt ... that's a lot bi=
gger than my dog's bowl!  Thanks for the suggestion.
>BTW, can heatgun=
 roasting be done indoors under a stove exhaust hood (which is
>what I=
 do with my GC & so far no smoke alarms going off) or is it strictly an
>=
outdoor exercise?
>Dave
>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:19:25 -0500, y=
ou wrote:
>>Actually, go to SAMs and get a 4 or 5 quart stainless stee=
l mixing bowl.  It will hold a lot of beans 
and 
>>they do not esca=
pe from the bowl and hide on the floor. Probably cheaper than the
 PetSma=
rt dog 
bowl.
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:04:54 -0400, David Mor=
genlender wrote:
>>
>>>Actually, I have my old FR+8;  but I've been spo=
iled by my GC ... and I probably
>>>couldn't pull off a decent roast i=
n the FR+8 without practice.
>>
>>>I bet Cody (our wonderful Sheltie) w=
ould let me borrow his dog bowl (I'd
>>>probably have to let him have my =
bowl (filled) in exchange :) ).  And an order
>>>from H.F. could even =
slip beneath my wife's radar.  Hmmmmm.  Something to think
>>>about!  Act=
ually, it would probably be worth it to see my wife's reaction after
>>>s=
pending all that money on the GC ... & there I am using a hair dryer (that'=
s
>>>what she'd think it is :) ) & a dog bowl to roast beans.  OTOH, I=
 might not like
>>>her
 reaction!
>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>>>On Thu,=
 30 Aug 2007 22:20:50 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>>>On 8/30/07, David Morgen=
lender <
dmorgen> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So now, I have a di=
lemma.  Tim said he'll turn it around within 1 day, but I'd
>>>>> be with=
out it possibly as long as 12 days (probably less).
>>>>
>>>>Might b=
e time to go to Harbor Freight and buy an Orange Glorious
>>>>People's Re=
public heatgun and a dog bowl....
>>>>=
>>>>homeroast mailing list
>>>>http://lists.sweetmar=ias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
>>>>To change your personal list setti=
ngs (digest options, vacations,
 unsvbscribes) go to 
>>http://sweetmar=ias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
>>
>>>=======
==========================
========================
=
<Snip>
==========================
==========================
=
>>
>>>
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t mailing list
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unsvbscribes) go to 
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>>
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 options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://sweetmarias.com/maill=istinfo.html#personalsettings
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==========================
=================
>Dave Morgenlender
=
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 settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://swee=tmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings=
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34) From: Eddie Dove
Larry,
Add a scarf and make airplane sounds ...
No one will ask any questions ...
Eddie
-- 
Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est
Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 9/4/07, Larry Johnson  wrote:
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35) From: Larry Johnson
What do you mean, "add"?
On 9/4/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:
<Snip>
-- 
Larry J

36) From: Jim Carter
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
he means 2 scarfs.
-- JC
Larry Johnson wrote:
<Snip>

37) From: Cookie (Ann-Marie)
No one would DARE!
  Cookie
 
 http://cookiestitches.blogspot.com=----- Original Message ----
From: Eddie Dove 
To: homeroast
Sent: Tuesday, =
September 4, 2007 9:15:33 PM
Subject: Re: +Weird GC Roasts
Larry,=
Add a scarf and make airplane sounds ...
No one will ask any questi=
ons ...
Eddie
-- 
Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est
Roasti=
ng Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blo=gspot.com/
On 9/4/07, Larry Johnson  wrote:=
> The neighbors already think I'm goofy; standing out on my deck, heat g=
un
> pointed into a bread machine, blizzard of brown chaff around me. Gog=
gles
> would complete the image, fer sher.=
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