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Topic: A Burr Grinder is a Burr Grinder is a Burr Grinder (12 msgs / 312 lines)
1) From: Larry Williams
I went from a blade grinder (used for year's) to a Starbucks burr 
grinder.  I appears to work well and has the ability to adjust with some 
consistency.   Please tell me why I should invest in Zass/Trosser or 
other more expensive mill.  I understand if you have a business, but 
it's just me the wife and the Puggle and Golden.
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2) From: Larry Dorman
If your current grinder is producing the quality and quantity of
ground coffee you desire, then I wouldn't encourage you to spend
another dime on another grinder.
On the other hand, if you're looking for other features that yoru
current grinding tools don't deliver (portability, adjustability,
precision, speed, etc.) then please post what you seek and you'll get
all manner of suggestions and feedback.
I personally had a bad experience with the Zass... I found that it's
grind consistency and speed were both atrocious.  I understand this
was atypical, but it was my experience and did teach me that even if
my Zass had produced superb consistency that I still wouldn't have
been satisfied with the speed.
Since I wanted to be able to grind fine enough and consistently enough
for espresso, I got a Rocky.  This gave me the grind and speed that I
was after.  My appreciation for the consistency has grown even now
when I use it primarily for grinding for press.  It simply, imho,
results in a better cuppa.
On 9/6/07, Larry Williams  wrote:

3) From: miKe mcKoffee
Nobody said you or anybody 'should' upgrade grinders. FWIW some of *$ retail
grinders were in fact rebranded Solis grinders with same Solis burr set.
Great for all but espresso or Turkish grind duties.
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4) From: Brett Mason
Hi Larry,
Here's the questions I have for you...
  Did you notice the burr grinder bringing out a more sweet, less bitter
  When you look at the grounds, are the fines sprinkled in with the coarse,
or are the beans being shaved evenly?
  Can you replace the burrs when necessary, and does this work for you?
Ultimately the issue is quality of grind, but as others have indicated,
speed and longevity of the mechanism also come into play.  I love my zass,
but start each morning with a pot of drip where the coffee has been ground
in my Cory Grindmaster.  Well this does great for pots of coffee, costs
about $850 new, but I got it for $30, spending $40 to refurb it.  At work I
have a Zass and a presspot.  The zass takes about a minute to grind enough
for my large bodum french press, with incredibly consistent grounds.  My
Rocky does as well, and has more control, but of course costs a lot more.
My other Zass and trosser are much like my first Zass.  Some folks can't
grind manually, or don't enjoy it enough to continue the process also...
So you shouldn't upgrade your grinder for any reason.  But you should borrow
a zass, or try coffee from a more professional grinder to find out if your
grinder is performing the best that you desire.  Maybe a new one is in your
future - but only if it makes your coffee dance just that much more...
Happy grinding, brewing, sipping, and AHHHHHHing....
On 9/6/07, Larry Williams  wrote:

5) From: Joseph Robertson
It's all about taste after all. If you like the taste of your coffee don't
change a thing. I just bought my first espresso machine, a Gaggia Baby, now
my old hand grinder (not a Zass) will not do for good espresso so I have to
upgrade. I think it has to do with your brewing system. My old hand grinder
worked fine for a cheep, I mean 14.95 dollar cheep espresso machine. Calling
it an espresso machine was a stretch. I would call the result a strong cup
of coffee.
Now I'm making a somewhat real cup of espresso, or trying to. Maybe I will
switch to a Chemex to smooth out my morning so I don't have to think so
much. Don't get me wrong I like a good cup of espresso. It's just that I
need my coffee and a good cup of espresso has a learning curve not to
mention the quality of the grind.
Point I'm trying to make is this espresso machine wants a consistent grind
to produce a consistent cup of java.
The Chemex might be a little more forgiving.
Hey, I'm still a java jeti in training.
On 9/6/07, Larry Williams  wrote:

6) From: Homeroaster
Trouble is, your current grinder might be causing you to miss out on some of 
the most interesting flavors of the incredible homeroast we serve.  If 
you're on this list, then the desire for the best coffee is very likely 
something that interests you.  If not, why are you here???  For the 
fascinating personalities???  Just kidding, the personalities are wonderful 
Not everyone can afford the best equipment to eeek out all the fullest 
flavor from the beans, but, hey, that's what goals are for, right?  It's a 
hands down, no-brainer that moving up on the grinder scale has a direct 
relationship with achieving better tasting drip, espresso or whatever type 
of coffee you desire.  Moving from grinding with a whirly blade or grinding 
beans at the coffeehouse, to getting your own inexpensive burr grinder is a 
first step many make.  I have two cheapie burr grinders that I loan out to 
people who buy my homeroast and need a grinder.
If you want to make espresso, it's crucial that you get a quality grinder. 
You'll be frustrated and disappointed any other way.  Count on it.
If you're serious about your coffee, find a way to buy a Mazzer (my first 
choice) or a Rocky.  Both will serve you well for likely the rest of your 
life.  Ebay and used restaurant supply and restaurant auctions are a great 
place to find commercial grinders that are reasonable in cost.  A typical 
commercial grinder has a footprint that is much greater than many would want 
in their kitchen.  A Mazzer Mini is much smaller but still grinds like the 
big boys.
Keep your eyes open.  Scrimp and save.  Find a way.  It's worth it.
Ed Needham
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7) From: Alchemist John
It is a two fold answer.  First, if you are happy, you shouldn't look 
at upgrading.  That simple.  I never shifted to different equipment 
until there was something specific I was unhappy about with my 
current set up, be it flavor, convenience or some other reason.
The 2nd answer is a bit tougher.  I have this EXACT conversation with 
a co-worker.  EXACT.  Blade. *$ burr.  Why a Zass?  I basically told 
him I had no way to answer the question without sounding like I was 
preaching.  I loaned him my DG169 Zass (which he is now buying) and 
he found out what I was talking about.  The coffee improved again.
But I will say again, if you are happy, don't upgrade.  If you hear 
yourself commenting about this odd flavor or that one or not getting 
this flavor everyone else gets AND you want to see if you can have 
that in your own coffee THEN consider the change to a 
Zass.  Otherwise, please, by all means enjoy your coffee.
At 16:33 9/6/2007, you wrote:
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AlChemist at large
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8) From: Larry Williams
Thanks all for taking the time to comment about your preferences and 
experiences with burr grinders.  There is a restaurant supply in 
Stockton CA close to me that I will definitely check with for a used 
Zass or Mazzer. 
Thanks again,
Alchemist John wrote:
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9) From: Brian Kamnetz
You probably are aware of this, but just to be sure, it is unlikely
that you will find a Zassenhaus grinder at a restaurant supply. Zasses
are small, low-output, personal hand grinders, whereas the Rocky and,
for all practical purposes, all Mazzers are high output electric
commercial (e.g., coffeehouse) grinders. Therefore, it is quite likely
that you would run into a Mazzer, but very unlikely that you would run
into a Zassenhaus.
On 9/7/07, Larry Williams  wrote:

10) From: Brett Mason
Likely will not run into a Rocky at a restaurant supply house either...
Rocky, like Zassenhaus, are targeted to the home consumer, despite the fact
that both offer a commercial quality grind...
On 9/7/07, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:

11) From: Paul Carder
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Larry, I have a Starbucks Barista conical burr grinder, and it does a =
great job for me. From espresso to french press, it provides a =
consistent even grind. No frequent burr changes needed either. Small =
enough to take whenever I travel. For you and the missus, it'll do a =
fine job. 
Several years ago, when I was working a lot of OT, I did purchase on =
ebay a lightly used GRINDMASTER like you see in grocery stores. The =
burrs were like new. Produces a great grind! Too big to leave set out on =
the kitchen counter, I use it when I roast larger quantities for =
Christmas presents, birthdays, anniversaries, various gifts, etc. =
Including shipping and insurance, only $224 from New York state to =
central Illinois. GRNDMASTER's website also has owner's manual in pdf =
Now as far as beans go............... I've tried beans from elewhere. =
You'll get good fresh roasted coffee, but if you want the absolute best =
heavenly coffee, SM is the ONLY way to go. Tom has taken all the =
guesswork trial and error out and provides his customers with the best. =
Always! The only time I buy beans elswhere is when I need beans to roast =
up for (gasp!).....  flavored coffee. Like it or not, I have friends and =
family who want it. I've also found out it is a first stepping stone to =
getting folks to enjoying and appreciating a great Mohka Java or other =
fresh roasted bean!

12) From: Cookie (Ann-Marie)
Larry, I have no complaints with my *$ burr grinder, either. It is just my =
husband and me, and we just drink drip. That's not to say, we don't want a =
good cup of coffee. We just don't have zillions of dollars we want to spend=
 on a grinder right now. When old reliable wears out, I will upgrade, but n=
ot til then.
P.S. My sheltie and corgi don't drink coffee, but=
 they like crunching an occasional bean.
----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Williams 
To: homeroast
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rsday, September 6, 2007 6:33:57 PM
Subject: +A Burr Grinder is a Burr Gr=
inder is a Burr Grinder
I went from a blade grinder (used for year'=
s) to a Starbucks burr 
grinder.  I appears to work well and has the abil=
ity to adjust with some 
consistency.   Please tell me why I should inves=
t in Zass/Trosser or 
other more expensive mill.  I understand if you hav=
e a business, but 
it's just me the wife and the Puggle and Golden.
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