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Topic: POLL: was +The Fetishism of the Commodity, aka "Better (3 msgs / 510 lines)
1) From: Alchemist John
Thanks Derek,
Now, I know the annonymous nature of a poll is handy and we can be a 
brutal crowd, but I saw there are currently two (out of around 50) 
responses that say they had no improvement.
Please "fess" up.  Who are the two and what were the particular's 
please?  If you didn't taste a diffence with an upgrade, GREAT, but I 
am REALLY curious what the circustances are.
At 10:19 9/6/2007, you wrote:
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2) From: Stephen Carey
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I can't speak about the poll, but you have mentioned Harrar Horse a 
number of times, so, I had to go buy a few pounds, almost bought my 
new grinder, but put it off until I really have the money for it.  Of 
course, if I had held off on my last few coffee orders I could have 
had it.  Can't wait to try this, I hope I don't let you down by 
roasting it incorrectly.
All the best,
Stephen
At 01:31 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote:
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I can't speak about the poll, but you have mentioned Harrar
Horse a number of times, so, I had to go buy a few pounds, almost bought
my new grinder, but put it off until I really have the money for
it.  Of course, if I had held off on my last few coffee orders I
could have had it.  Can't wait to try this, I hope I don't let you
down by roasting it incorrectly.  
All the best,  
Stephen
At 01:31 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote:
Ok, here goes.
I voted for no change.
First let me say that I love the convenience of the Mazzer Mini, but C
does not like the room it takes up on the counter. ( It is slowly being
worked off the edge)
We slowly, over a year, went through the cheap_ grinder_to_ better_cheap_
grinder routine, until this list drove me nuts and I ached over which
grinder to get.
The MM or the Rocky?!
"More bucks is better" won out, so I bought a brand new Mazzer
Mini :)
(and I since have bought a used Mazzer Major, because it is much faster
to grind a pound with it :) )
That said, here is our reaction to the new 'better' grinder'
C said, with the first brew from the new grinder, (The Mazzer Mini)
"What is all this fuss about grinders? Coffee tastes the same to
me."
I had to admit it tasted the same to me also.
Well, we really REALLY like Harrar Horse, roasted just into second crack.
The taste is great, no matter which grinder, or how new or old the roast
is. ( This may tell you something about our tasting ability) We think it
is miles ahead of any coffee we have ever bought elsewhere
though.
The MM is quieter than our earlier electric grinders, and for sure it is
less messy.
I do not regret buying it. I figure some day I will roast a batch that
will give me the taste of blueberries or... etc. but I guess these
flavors go away when you get to second crack.
I have tried stopping the roast earlier, but to me, the coffee tastes
just plain un cooked. Mine never tastes burned like I used to taste in
the popular chain store coffee, it is always great.
So, maybe I am a bit of a snob when it comes to my MM, but I will still
admit that it did not make much of a difference in the taste of drip
coffee, to me and C anyway.
Best,
PeterZ Enjoying the remnants of hurricane H, here in LHC, cool 106 degree
weather and some clouds drifting by.
Alchemist John wrote:
Thanks Derek,
Now, I know the annonymous nature of a poll is handy and we can be a
brutal crowd, but I saw there are currently two (out of around 50)
responses that say they had no improvement.
Please "fess" up.  Who are the two and what were the
particular's please?  If you didn't taste a diffence with an
upgrade, GREAT, but I am REALLY curious what the circustances
are.
At 10:19 9/6/2007, you wrote:
Hi folks, perhaps all should
make sure to use Derek's online Poll to account for accurate
results...
 + I thought it might be easier if there was a web poll to keep
track of the votes, to save everyone from trying to update the email as
it filters through the votes.
 + The poll is at
http://grinderpoll.blogspot.com/ + You can only vote once.  Of course, keep the comments coming
on-list.  If there's a problem with the poll, let me know.
 . . . . . . . No, I am not feeling vindicated...  I recognize
some have had bad spouts with the Zass - I just haven't been one of them
ever....
Regards,
Brett
On 9/6/07, *Michael Dhabolt* < michael.dhabolt
<
mailto:michael.dhabolt>> wrote:
    On 9/6/07, Brett Mason <homeroast
   
<
mailto:homeroast>> wrote:
    > I know this won't put this to bed, but I would
like to run a
    poll.  Please
    > add your name and update the count and repost to
list.  If you
    don't quite
    > fit into a category - DON"T VOTE, i.e. cheap
blade to cheap
    burr with no
    > improvement, that kind of thing.  Heck, vote
double and list
    your grinder
    > upgrade if you want.
    >
    > "I upgraded from a 'cheap' grinder to a
generally recognized
    'good' grinder
    > and noticed a marked improvement in my
coffee"
    >
    > "I upgraded from a 'cheap' grinder to a
generally recognized
    'good' grinder
    > and did NOT notice any marked improvement in my
coffee"
    >
    > Coffee Improved:  4
    > Coffee did not improve: 0
    >
    > Coffee Improved:
    > Zara
    > Alchemist John (whirly blade to
Zass/Trosser)
    > Brett Mason
    Mike (just plain)
    >
    > Coffee did not improve:
    > ????
   
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3) From: Stephen Carey
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I will definitely try it.  I ordered two pounds so I will do about 
5.5 ounces, the amount I like to grind in the IR2 and see if I can 
find that elusive blueberry.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.
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I will definitely try it.  I ordered two pounds so I
will do about 5.5 ounces, the amount I like to grind in the IR2 and see
if I can find that elusive blueberry.  Nothing ventured nothing
gained.
At 03:12 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote:
Stephen, I don't want to steer
you wrong or anything but the last time I had any Harrar Horse, I
accidentally let an ounce or so sit (in an airtight container, of course)
for almost 2 weeks. When I found it, I brewed a cup and it had the most
intense blueberry aroma/flavor I could ever hope for. That was the 1st
and only time I've gotten blueberries, btw, which tells you how good a
roaster I am (not). 
 
Anyway, I think Gin had a similar experience and thought you might want
to try it if you're willing to risk staling an ounce of HH, that is.
 
Happy roasting,
 
On 9/7/07, Stephen Carey
<steve
> wrote: 
I can't speak about the poll, but you have mentioned Harrar Horse a
number of times, so, I had to go buy a few pounds, almost bought my new
grinder, but put it off until I really have the money for it.  Of
course, if I had held off on my last few coffee orders I could have had
it.  Can't wait to try this, I hope I don't let you down by roasting
it incorrectly.  
All the best,  
Stephen 
At 01:31 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote:
Ok, here goes.
I voted for no change.
First let me say that I love the convenience of the Mazzer Mini, but
C does not like the room it takes up on the counter. ( It is slowly being
worked off the edge) 
We slowly, over a year, went through the cheap_ grinder_to_
better_cheap_ grinder routine, until this list drove me nuts and I ached
over which grinder to get.
The MM or the Rocky?!
"More bucks is better" won out, so I bought a brand new
Mazzer Mini :) 
(and I since have bought a used Mazzer Major, because it is much
faster to grind a pound with it :) )
That said, here is our reaction to the new 'better' grinder'
C said, with the first brew from the new grinder, (The Mazzer Mini)
"What is all this fuss about grinders? Coffee tastes the same to
me." 
I had to admit it tasted the same to me also.
Well, we really REALLY like Harrar Horse, roasted just into second
crack. The taste is great, no matter which grinder, or how new or old the
roast is. ( This may tell you something about our tasting ability) We
think it is miles ahead of any coffee we have ever bought elsewhere
though. 
The MM is quieter than our earlier electric grinders, and for sure it
is less messy.
I do not regret buying it. I figure some day I will roast a batch
that will give me the taste of blueberries or... etc. but I guess these
flavors go away when you get to second crack. 
I have tried stopping the roast earlier, but to me, the coffee tastes
just plain un cooked. Mine never tastes burned like I used to taste in
the popular chain store coffee, it is always great.
So, maybe I am a bit of a snob when it comes to my MM, but I will
still admit that it did not make much of a difference in the taste of
drip coffee, to me and C anyway. 
Best,
PeterZ Enjoying the remnants of hurricane H, here in LHC, cool 106
degree weather and some clouds drifting by.
Alchemist John wrote:
Thanks Derek,
Now, I know the annonymous nature of a poll is handy and we can be a
brutal crowd, but I saw there are currently two (out of around 50)
responses that say they had no improvement. 
Please "fess" up.  Who are the two and what were the
particular's please?  If you didn't taste a diffence with an
upgrade, GREAT, but I am REALLY curious what the circustances
are.
At 10:19 9/6/2007, you wrote: 
Hi folks, perhaps all should make sure to use Derek's online Poll to
account for accurate results...
 + I thought it might be easier if there was a web poll to keep
track of the votes, to save everyone from trying to update the email as
it filters through the votes. 
 + The poll is at
http://grinderpoll.blogspot.com/ + You can only vote once.  Of course, keep the comments
coming on-list.  If there's a problem with the poll, let me know.
 . . . . . . . No, I am not feeling vindicated...  I
recognize some have had bad spouts with the Zass - I just haven't been
one of them ever....
Regards,
Brett
On 9/6/07, *Michael Dhabolt* <
michael.dhabolt
<

mailto:michael.dhabolt>> wrote:
    On 9/6/07, Brett Mason
<homeroast 
    <

mailto:homeroast>> wrote:
    > I know this won't put this to bed, but I
would like to run a 
    poll.  Please
    > add your name and update the count and repost
to list.  If you
    don't quite
    > fit into a category - DON"T VOTE, i.e.
cheap blade to cheap
    burr with no
    > improvement, that kind of thing.  Heck,
vote double and list 
    your grinder
    > upgrade if you want.
    >
    > "I upgraded from a 'cheap' grinder to a
generally recognized
    'good' grinder
    > and noticed a marked improvement in my
coffee" 
    >
    > "I upgraded from a 'cheap' grinder to a
generally recognized
    'good' grinder
    > and did NOT notice any marked improvement in
my coffee"
    >
    > Coffee Improved:  4 
    > Coffee did not improve: 0
    >
    > Coffee Improved:
    > Zara
    > Alchemist John (whirly blade to
Zass/Trosser)
    > Brett Mason
    Mike (just plain)
    >
    > Coffee did not improve: 
    > ????
   
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Brett
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
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