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Topic: Grinder ?'s (8 msgs / 312 lines)
1) From: David
Hi,
I am looking to upgrade from my Melitta burr grinder,
won't grind espresso for my new/used Gaggia Espresso,
thrift store find, $20.  I am looking at the Gaggia
MDF and the Maestro Plus, I do espresso maybe 6-10
times a week, the other times drip, french press,
aeropress, soon a vac brewer.  Will the Maestro be
able to handle the grind range, I am leaning towards
the Maestro, the Gaggia doser looks a little
cumbersome, not sure I really need one.  Any opinions,
advice, info would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
David
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2) From: Stephen Carey
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I own a Maestro Plus - brand new, not even twenty-four hours out of 
the box, but four grinds.  It is very clear in what SMs puts up and 
other sites say that it is not the machine for a lot of 
espresso.  The occasional cup, sure, but more than that and try 
something else.  If you can swing it, I couldn't, go with the Rocky 
or the higher end grinders - look back a ways and see the long 
discussion on this, maybe in the last digest.  It was a very good 
discussion.  SMs makes a suggestion of the Virtuoso Conical Burr 
Mill, which is in the same price range, well not really, a step up by 
50 dollars, so one third more at $199.   But the reviews say it is much better.
I also have a wonderful (I hope) Armin Trusser hand grinder on its 
way to me.  I will need to see the true condition of it 
afterwards.  But, definitely, not the Maestro for that much espresso 
and find the last postings on this subject, it is an encyclopedia of 
information, promise that, and with some energy at times also.
Stephen
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I own a Maestro Plus - brand new, not even twenty-four hours
out of the box, but four grinds.  It is very clear in what SMs puts
up and other sites say that it is not the machine for a lot of
espresso.  The occasional cup, sure, but more than that and try
something else.  If you can swing it, I couldn't, go with the Rocky
or the higher end grinders - look back a ways and see the long discussion
on this, maybe in the last digest.  It was a very good
discussion.  SMs makes a suggestion of the Virtuoso Conical Burr
Mill, which is in the same price range, well not really, a step up by 50
dollars, so one third more at $199.   But the reviews say it is
much better.
I also have a wonderful (I hope) Armin Trusser hand grinder on its way to
me.  I will need to see the true condition of it afterwards. 
But, definitely, not the Maestro for that much espresso and find the last
postings on this subject, it is an encyclopedia of information, promise
that, and with some energy at times also.
Stephen
At 01:30 AM 9/18/2007, you wrote:
Hi,
I am looking to upgrade from my Melitta burr grinder,
won't grind espresso for my new/used Gaggia Espresso,
thrift store find, $20.  I am looking at the Gaggia
MDF and the Maestro Plus, I do espresso maybe 6-10
times a week, the other times drip, french press,
aeropress, soon a vac brewer.  Will the Maestro be
able to handle the grind range, I am leaning towards
the Maestro, the Gaggia doser looks a little
cumbersome, not sure I really need one.  Any opinions,
advice, info would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
David
     
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3) From: Homeroaster
If you set a Maestro next to a grinder with a larger, commercial grinding 
burr, and pulled shots using each grinder, you would begin saving your money 
to buy the one with the larger commercial grinding burr.  I had a decent 
Bunn BCG grinder that I used with my Gaggia Espresso years ago, then I 
acquired a wonderful La Pavoni PUBS machine and La Pavoni ZIP commercial 
grinder.  If I used the ZIP to make espresso with the Gaggia, the shots were 
almost always perfect and much tastier than when I used the Bunn BCG (which 
ain't a bad home grinder).
I'd say the Maestro would make you happy, but a better grinder would make 
you very happy.
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Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

4) From: Mike Koenig
David,
Since you do espresso fairly often, my recommendation to buy the
closest thing to a commercial grinder that you can afford, with
something like a Rocky being the minimum.  The price might seem steep,
but it's my experience, and numerous others on the list that it will
only cost you more to take the intermediate step of a less expensive
grinder.
I've been through three cycles of "this is the last grinder I'll ever
need to buy" (solis 166, Rocky, and now a Macap M4), and it cost me
almost twice as much as it would have if I had gone straight to the
Macap or a Mazzer mini.
Since you saved a ton of money on what is a fairly decent espresso
machine, put that towards the grinder.  (check eBay)
Regarding doser/no-doser, I went doserless on the Rocky and regretted
it.  For espresso a doser does a good job of breaking up clumps for an
even distribution, at the expense of some extra cleaning out of
grinds.  Without the doser, you end up having to deal with all sorts
of maniuplations to get an even distribution (yogurt cups and pointed
sticks, for example).
--mike
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5) From: David
Did a little searching on my local craigslist and
found this.  Elektra Espresso Grinder - $150, anyone
familiar with this brand?  Attached is a pic.
Thanks,
David
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6) From: raymanowen
"I am looking to upgrade from my Melitta burr grinder..."
Congratulations!
Anything you get will be an upgrade. The tracks-  3,500hp grinders go
back and forth. The colossally powerful  GE90 aircraft engine, at more
than twice the maximum power of RMS Titanic, could be used as
roaster/grinders...
The Valid recommendation for grinding pitch (size) is to grind finer
than you might assume necessary. That's the word from Tom, Sweet
Maria's Guru and mentor.
When brewing any coffee, the correct grind is of **Paramount**
importance. With the Solis Maestro series of grinders, one is
unfortunately saddled with an execrable upper (ring) burr in every
case.
It's scandalous that some No Account Arsch mit zwei Ohren continues to
sabotage the neat Solis design by fabricating progressively worse
burrs. The Maestro still represents an upgrade, because you can
directly install a Baratza Virtuoso burr set in it. Not so with any
other manufacturer.
If you have access to a Previously Owned/ Cheap- not broken- Maestro
in which you can stick a replacement Virtuoso burr set, don't get a
brand new Edsel grinder from anybody.
The only difference between an excellent new commercial grinder (Is
anything less - good enough - Why?) and a used commercial grinder is a
new set of burrs. After that, the beans will never know. But your
palate will.
I have found with my BUFF grinder there are more than 10 different
settings that work for espresso brewing, and there is a positive
flavor difference in the small increments.
I just roasted half of my remaining Brazil Fazenda Ipanema to the
rugged end of 1st Crack. I imagined I started hearing a couple of
snaps of 2nd Crack. Once 1st started at 11:30, I nursed it along to
get all of First and none of Second, hopefully. I have an absolute
Roast Stopper, so it's NBD that some 2nd Cracks snapped.
I was trying to chase the odd light beans with the heat gun, and I
wasn't forced to pay attention to chaff entering the heatgun. The sock
did that while I just aimed the HG, and stopped a fair pile of chaff
in the filter stocking.
When you're roasting without a rough intake air filter on the heat
gun, you have to dilute your attention between the actual roast
progress and your roasting tools. My heat gun has about a year left on
the warranty. Sweet Maria's Brazil Fazenda Ipanema stock is extinct,
but my little roast is just fabulous.
As soon as they were cold, they had lost 15% mass, I flash froze 28g.
I was going to brew a couple of doubles and dialed a 25 grind- about a
coarse espresso grind. Changed my mind- I had to try the Steinway
first. I don't cup, I Mug. This was a much finer grind than normal,
and so was the flavor! Hallelujah!
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
May Grinder?
On 9/17/07, David  wrote:
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7) From: Mike Koenig
David,
From the picture you sent, that grinder looks a lot like a Macap.
--mike
On 9/18/07, David  wrote:
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8) From: raymanowen
If you pull the large plastic hopper, I think you would be able lift
the grinder with one hand. Brown looked like a brute, but he was
sweating when he delivered my grinder 2 years ago.
He- "Can I put this somewhere for you?"
Me- "Gimme!"
Had I gotten the Mahlkönig at 96#, he would have needed his two-wheel
dolly for sure. The Major is 50# lighter.
With the brand new burrs I had already gotten for it, it still cost
less than (2×) the SMP learning experience. Ray and Naida love the SMP
with Virtuoso burrs
I don't know the lifespan of the Baratza Virtuoso or Solis Maestro
burrs, but if you need a dainty grinder you could carry two on your
forearm, they're your grinders. If you're more interested in grinding
coffee than shiny toys that continually violate coffee beans, your due
diligence is not yet done.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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