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Topic: Excessive bean usage? (19 msgs / 470 lines)
1) From: Obrien, Haskell W.
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A while back my Presto scan died and I picked up a Bunn BT10B -
thermobrew that's always hot. I put in the restrictor head from Bunn,
but I've had to use A LOT of coffee just to brew it anywhere near as
strong as my old presto. To make a pot, I'd estimate that it's taking a
good 1.5 cups of ground coffee. 
 
Any thoughts? Should I just buy another presto? (I suspect that the old
one just clogged up, but it got tossed when I moved.) 

2) From: Barry Luterman
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I bought 4 Presto Scand for gifts about a year ago. As of today only 2 =
are still functioning. The switches went in them and they are in sealed =
housings. I wouldn't buy another.

3) From: Vicki Smith
Now that the Krups Moka Brew is available again in the US, you might 
want to give that a go. I love my KMB.
Vicki
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4) From: raymanowen
My son's coffee maker has a basket that has a "pause brew" valve on
it. If you omit the carafe, the heater will continue to percolate hot
water into the basket, but the basket won't drain. You can force it to
brew as long as you like. My Bunn Office pot was similar to your
BT10B, but Boyer set the thermostat to 190 F.
Maybe yours is too cool, and the BT10B thermostat is not adjustable. I
normally used 0.375 - 0.5 cup of beans ground in my modded Grindmaster
whirly. I only brewed 8 cups, but you're using more than 3 the
coffee.
First, Grind Finer, however you do it. Later, consider Time and
Temperature increases.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
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5) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
Where can I get a KMB?  I must have missed the memo about them being
available... 
Always looking for another tool for my coffee bar/shrine hehehe
Dennis
Now that the Krups Moka Brew is available again in the US, you might 
want to give that a go. I love my KMB.
Vicki

6) From: raymanowen
"The switches went in them and they are in sealed housings."
If the Presto brews excellent coffee, that's the only consideration.
Two ways to avoid switching current and ruining the switch:
1.) - The obvious. Leave it On and use a switched circuit or pull the plug-
2.) - Install a diac gated Triac (Radio shack) with maybe a gate
resistor and a heat sink. I've done that to a lot of Duro curing
dryers for screen printers working out of their garage. At first, I
would install a slob industrial-rated switch, or a power relay in the
control box.
In 30 years, none of the "gimmicks" ever failed, and the Triac is lots
smaller, easier and far cheaper, and kept the toy switch on the panel.
For Techies, the Triac is saturated in the On state, and drops less
than 0.05 volt.
Cheers and Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On 9/20/07, Barry Luterman  wrote:
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7) From: W. Simon
I used my girlfriend's Bunn BT10 for a while.  When calculating the amount
of coffee, it *should* only need 56 grams.  Here's my opinion on the Bunn:
Many people that drink canned coffee think that the Bunn is a much better
brewer because it makes their coffee taste better.  I have formed the
opinion that the Bunn brews at a temperature that mutes the flavor of the
coffee.  To a canned coffee drinker, the muted flavor tastes better.  To
someone drinking homeroast, it tastes weak.
If you want to drink brewed coffee, I'd recommend getting the Technivorm an=
d
a Swiss Gold filter.  On weekdays, I don't have time to pull shots of
espresso nor do I want to mess with packing my Krups Mocha Brew and wait th=
e
15 - 20 minutes for it to brew.  With the Technivorm, I am pouring coffee i=
n
under 10 minutes.
I purchased a Presto Scandinavian and it lasted 3 or 4 months.  It would
brew about 2/3 of the pot and then stop.  I'd have to shut it off and turn
it back on multiple times in order to get it to brew a full pot.  I finally
trashed it and purchased the Technivorm like I should have done to begin
with.  The coffee was good, but the quality was terrible!
Wes
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8) From: Robert Gulley
Okay, at the risk of getting multiple flames sent my way . . :-\
I was surprised that no one on the list seems to 
like Braun for an auto drip maker. I have the 
kf600 with the stainless thermal carafe, and it 
produces wonderful coffee. After reading the info 
on the Technivorm, especially the brewing temp 
info, I decided to test my kf600. My brewhead 
water temp stays steadily between 199-204, and 
the pot temp is 176 after brewing is complete. It 
is only rated at 1000 watts, but it brews quickly 
and the coffee tastes great. They run well under 
$100, and so far it has worked flawlessly over 
the last 6-8 months. Just in the FWIW department.
RG
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9) From: Obrien, Haskell W.
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Since the Bunn heats the water all the time, I've considered adding a
cheap PID controller to it. It should be fairly trivial, I just have to
take the time to order some parts to do the job. (And it'd be funny to a
geek like me.)
 
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Robert
Gulley
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:00 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Excessive bean usage?
 
Okay, at the risk of getting multiple flames sent my way . . :-\
I was surprised that no one on the list seems to like Braun for an auto
drip maker. I have the kf600 with the stainless thermal carafe, and it
produces wonderful coffee. After reading the info on the Technivorm,
especially the brewing temp info, I decided to test my kf600. My
brewhead water temp stays steadily between 199-204, and the pot temp is
176 after brewing is complete. It is only rated at 1000 watts, but it
brews quickly and the coffee tastes great. They run well under $100, and
so far it has worked flawlessly over the last 6-8 months. Just in the
FWIW department.
RG
At 02:35 PM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
I used my girlfriend's Bunn BT10 for a while.  When calculating the
amount of coffee, it *should* only need 56 grams.  Here's my opinion on
the Bunn:  Many people that drink canned coffee think that the Bunn is a
much better brewer because it makes their coffee taste better.  I have
formed the opinion that the Bunn brews at a temperature that mutes the
flavor of the coffee.  To a canned coffee drinker, the muted flavor
tastes better.  To someone drinking homeroast, it tastes weak.  
If you want to drink brewed coffee, I'd recommend getting the Technivorm
and a Swiss Gold filter.  On weekdays, I don't have time to pull shots
of espresso nor do I want to mess with packing my Krups Mocha Brew and
wait the 15 - 20 minutes for it to brew.  With the Technivorm, I am
pouring coffee in under 10 minutes.  
I purchased a Presto Scandinavian and it lasted 3 or 4 months.  It would
brew about 2/3 of the pot and then stop.  I'd have to shut it off and
turn it back on multiple times in order to get it to brew a full pot.  I
finally trashed it and purchased the Technivorm like I should have done
to begin with.  The coffee was good, but the quality was terrible! 
Wes
On 9/20/07, Obrien, Haskell W.  wrote:
A while back my Presto scan died and I picked up a Bunn BT10B -
thermobrew that's always hot. I put in the restrictor head from Bunn,
but I've had to use A LOT of coffee just to brew it anywhere near as
strong as my old presto. To make a pot, I'd estimate that it's taking a
good 1.5 cups of ground coffee. 
 
Any thoughts? Should I just buy another presto? (I suspect that the old
one just clogged up, but it got tossed when I moved.) 

10) From: Brett Mason
I sent my Bunn B10B back, kepot my Clarity, and added a Presto in the
basement as standby for future need....
Brett
  The whale is not Debbie
On 9/20/07, Obrien, Haskell W.  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

11) From: Vicki Smith
Amazon and cooking.com both carry them now Dennis. They are no longer 
discounted, so expect to pay $129.00.
v
True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69) wrote:
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12) From: Rick Copple
raymanowen wrote:
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I have one too, sitting on my counter, currently useless. The switch 
went out on it too. I now use my Yama for all the coffee I drink except 
when I use another method of occasion.
But, the switch on this is a little button, that you press once to move 
the light from off to timed brew, then again to move the light to "on" 
and then again to back "off." So, there's no way to keep it on. Once you 
  pull the plug, it would go to off and not come back on again, assuming 
you could even catch it before it went out. It's an electrical switch, 
not a toggle. So once the switch goes out, you would have to do major 
surgery. And I'm no coffee maker surgeon.
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I have no idea what you are even talking about here. I don't work on 
appliances. I just buy them and use them. :)
When I do get around to buying another drip, I too will not get another 
one of these. It worked well, made great coffee, but apparently the 
switches are designed to only last a few months. I think mine lasted 
about a year.
I have an old Mr. Coffee in the garage that still "works" but it is 
probably ten years old. Even my old 1950 Cory electric vac pot still 
works. No switch there, though. Just plug it in and it takes off. 
-- 
Rick Copple

13) From: George
You can buy it directly from Krupp's online store, or look for it on e-bay. 
I bought a brand new one on in a factory sealed, guaranteed to be new one 
on e-bay that with shipping I paid $10 less than if I bought it from Krupp's 
directly.  Mine is to be delivered next Tuesday.

14) From: ConradArms
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15) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Indeed that's sums up excessive bean usage! :-)  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of
ConradArms
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:19 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Excessive bean usage?

16) From: Rich
Goodwill bin?
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17) From: raymanowen
"Just plug it in and it takes off. "
Exactly.
The switch couldn't generate the timing interval by itself. Just put
in a 15a 120v DPDT bat toggle switch and be done with it.
W.W.Grainger's, Johnstone Supply or (gag) Radio Shack- "You got
questions, we got answers."
" I'm no coffee maker surgeon."
Just think- there was a time before which you didn't even make coffee
as good as you do now.
Most people could fix doorbells. The jugheads that insulated my attic
emasculated my doorbell. For a while after that, I left my 7.5hp 3
motor connected to the power and the blower. The whine of the motor
starting wired split phase with a capacitor and the windmilling of the
centrifugal blower were enough.
The real annunciator sound was a 24"x24" 16ft closed, mitered pipe
speaking with another 12 foot pipe tuned a musical 5th higher. The
resultant was an extremely low vibration when I had it tuned. The 16
foot closed pipe was fixed and I only tuned the 12 footer.
Temperature change wasn't so bad, but humidity change detuned them
badly. I had retuned them 4 times in 18 months when the village idiots
struck the wind chest.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On 9/21/07, Rick Copple  wrote:
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the
Mighty Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

18) From: Rick Copple
raymanowen wrote:
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If I wanted to take the time to do all that, I'm sure I could figure it 
out. Problem is, that would take away time from my writing and many 
other task.
Consider this. My wife got me a spotlight with a sensor because I 
complained about coming home and the porch light not being left on for 
me, and I have to fumble for the keys in the dark and find the tiny 
keyhole, etc.
Problem is, I would have to take the time to install the darn thing. 
Take off a lamb and wire this one in. I could do it, but it's still 
sitting in a box from two Christmases ago. Now, a real Christmas present 
would be if she hired a guy to come and install it. :)
I simply have things I would rather be doing, that are more important to 
me than taking apart something to add in a switch so I can use something 
that should still be working if it were made right.
But I'm not complaining, cause that prompted me to get the Yama, and it 
makes great coffee flawlessly, and is now my standard method each 
morning. So, I have very little motivation to fix that thing.
But, if someone wants to get it and jury rig it, be my guest. Just send 
me the money to ship it to you. :)
Meanwhile, my focus is on promoting a book that will be coming out 
before long. :) Managing the ezine I'm a managing editor of, putting 
together my monthly space opera podcast, writing, submitting, and 
bragging on a regular basis. And that's during my free time, aside from 
being on here...and yea, on There too. ;)
-- 
Rick Copple

19) From: raymanowen
I think those lights were made by Heath/Zenith. About my last
connection with Heathkit, except for the mass of Heathkit equipment I
have. $B"'(B Bummer $B"'(B.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On 9/22/07, Rick Copple  wrote:
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the
Mighty Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976


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