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Topic: Re Magister: uh-oh (4 msgs / 377 lines)
1) From: Sandy Andina
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 From what I've been seeing online, I think the machine that the  
repair shop is going to be giving me (okay, at no more cost to me  
than my dead Livia) and the service fee I paid when I first brought  
it in) is one of Magister's Home models--and I don't think they're  
heat exchangers, but just sturdy single-boilers akin to my Racilio  
Silvia or a LeLit.  Bummer is that I don't see a hot water tap  
either--and it has one of those foo-foo froth aiders instead of a  
real steam wand and takes 54mm PF accessories.  They make a single- 
group HX, but it's for commercial use and plumbed-in, retailing for  
over $2K (and the shop assured me mine will have a reservoir, so I  
doubt that I'm getting an HX machine unless they're converting a  
plumb-in to use bottles). I realize that all things considered, a  
working single-boiler non-HX is more useful to me than an irreparable  
and admittedly (acc. to Pasquini) inherently flawed auto HX, and that  
I won't have to write that $500 check for a new Livia 90S; but I  
already have a Silvia. I suppose I could steam with one machine while  
the other is pulling shots, but I am not really happy.  If such is  
the case, and I'm not getting a HX machine, I guess I'll just grit my  
teeth and muddle through till the Christmas bonus comes in so I can  
get a new prosumer HX like an Andreja Premium, Elektra Micro Casa a  
Leva, Expobar Brewtus, or Isomac. I'm really bummed out, because I  
will at least for now definitely be "trading down."  There is little  
info about Magister machines online--most online retailers like WLL,  
1st-Line, or Chris' Coffee don't carry them because NorthStar up in  
the Cascades retails them direct. (But even NorthStar's website  
mentions only the commercial models).
The repair shop owner is so adamant that the Livia 90 line now poses  
an unacceptable hazard that he has decided to sever his relationship  
with the company.
Any advice? The shop has put more than $250 in time and parts into my  
Livia 90A, so I can't ask for my money and machine back--besides,  
what would I do with a broken machine that, even if fixed (which is  
highly unlikely), may develop a flaking boiler that will short out  
again. It's 2-1/2 years old, and was warranted for only a year.
Do I tell them to just give me what the value of the rebuilt Magister  
would be (unless the one I'm getting is an HX) and walk away?  Should  
I ask them to rebuild me an HX machine and pay them what's fair?
Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
www.sass-music.com
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From what I've been seeing online, I think the machine that the repair =
shop is going to be giving me (okay, at no more cost to me than my dead =
Livia) and the service fee I paid when I first brought it in) is one of =
Magister's Home models--and I don't think they're heat exchangers, but =
just sturdy single-boilers akin to my Racilio Silvia or a LeLit.  Bummer=
 is that I don't see a hot water tap either--and it has one of those =
foo-foo froth aiders instead of a real steam wand and takes 54mm PF =
accessories.  They make a single-group HX, but it's for commercial use =
and plumbed-in, retailing for over $2K (and the shop assured me mine =
will have a reservoir, so I doubt that I'm getting an HX machine unless =
they're converting a plumb-in to use bottles). I realize that all things =
considered, a working single-boiler non-HX is more useful to me than an =
irreparable and admittedly (acc. to Pasquini) inherently flawed auto HX, =
and that I won't have to write that $500 check for a new Livia 90S; but =
I already have a Silvia. I suppose I could steam with one machine while =
the other is pulling shots, but I am not really happy.  If such is the =
case, and I'm not getting a HX machine, I guess I'll just grit my teeth =
and muddle through till the Christmas bonus comes in so I can get a new =
prosumer HX like an Andreja Premium, Elektra Micro Casa a Leva, Expobar =
Brewtus, or Isomac. I'm really bummed out, because I will at least for =
now definitely be "trading down."  There is little info about Magister =
machines online--most online retailers like WLL, 1st-Line, or Chris' =
Coffee don't carry them because NorthStar up in the Cascades retails =
them direct. (But even NorthStar's website mentions only the commercial =
models).
The = repair shop owner is so adamant that the Livia 90 line now poses an = unacceptable hazard that he has decided to sever his relationship with = the company.
Any advice? The shop has = put more than $250 in time and parts into my Livia 90A, so I can't ask = for my money and machine back--besides, what would I do with a broken = machine that, even if fixed (which is highly unlikely), may develop a = flaking boiler that will short out again. It's 2-1/2 years old, and was = warranted for only a year.
Do I tell them to just = give me what the value of the rebuilt Magister would be (unless the one = I'm getting is an HX) and walk away?  Should I ask them to rebuild me = an HX machine and pay them what's fair? Sandywww.sass-music.com
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2) From: Darksta986
I would contact Chris Coffee and explain your situation to them. They will  
shed more light on the situation and may even be able to work something  out.
 
Good Luck!
 
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
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If they're talking a Magister H not HS60, agree from limited online
information looks to be single boiler non-HX. I'd take it AND the dead
Livia. Sell both on eBay, the Livia with full disclosure as a u-fix-it/parts
machine. Some people (like me) wouldn't be phased by it's condition for a
cheap price. Don't think I'd really trust them to refurb any machine myself.
However if they'd give you a rebuilt 1yr warranted HS60 for $750 total I
might, might, go for it.
 
FWIW I also just saw two used Magister ES60's on eBay for $695 each...
 
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Sandy Andina
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:48 PM
To: homeroast
Cc: livia-90
Subject: +Re Magister: uh-oh
From what I've been seeing online, I think the machine that the repair shop
is going to be giving me (okay, at no more cost to me than my dead Livia)
and the service fee I paid when I first brought it in) is one of Magister's
Home models--and I don't think they're heat exchangers, but just sturdy
single-boilers akin to my Racilio Silvia or a LeLit. Bummer is that I don't
see a hot water tap either--and it has one of those foo-foo froth aiders
instead of a real steam wand and takes 54mm PF accessories. They make a
single-group HX, but it's for commercial use and plumbed-in, retailing for
over $2K (and the shop assured me mine will have a reservoir, so I doubt
that I'm getting an HX machine unless they're converting a plumb-in to use
bottles). I realize that all things considered, a working single-boiler
non-HX is more useful to me than an irreparable and admittedly (acc. to
Pasquini) inherently flawed auto HX, and that I won't have to write that
$500 check for a new Livia 90S; but I already have a Silvia. I suppose I
could steam with one machine while the other is pulling shots, but I am not
really happy. If such is the case, and I'm not getting a HX machine, I guess
I'll just grit my teeth and muddle through till the Christmas bonus comes in
so I can get a new prosumer HX like an Andreja Premium, Elektra Micro Casa a
Leva, Expobar Brewtus, or Isomac. I'm really bummed out, because I will at
least for now definitely be "trading down." There is little info about
Magister machines online--most online retailers like WLL, 1st-Line, or
Chris' Coffee don't carry them because NorthStar up in the Cascades retails
them direct. (But even NorthStar's website mentions only the commercial
models). 
The repair shop owner is so adamant that the Livia 90 line now poses an
unacceptable hazard that he has decided to sever his relationship with the
company.
Any advice? The shop has put more than $250 in time and parts into my Livia
90A, so I can't ask for my money and machine back--besides, what would I do
with a broken machine that, even if fixed (which is highly unlikely), may
develop a flaking boiler that will short out again. It's 2-1/2 years old,
and was warranted for only a year.
Do I tell them to just give me what the value of the rebuilt Magister would
be (unless the one I'm getting is an HX) and walk away? Should I ask them to
rebuild me an HX machine and pay them what's fair?
Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
www.sass-music.com

4) From: Sandy Andina
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Yeah, from the description the repair shop owner gave me it may be an  
HS60 that he will convert to use water bottles.
On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:09 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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Sandy
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www.sass-music.com
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Yeah, from the description the repair shop owner gave me it may be an =
HS60 that he will convert to use water bottles.
On Oct 16, =
2007, at 6:09 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
If they're talking a = Magister H not HS60, agree from limited online information looks to be = single boiler non-HX. I'd take it AND the dead Livia. Sell both on eBay, = the Livia with full disclosure as a u-fix-it/parts machine. Some = people (like me) wouldn't be phased by it's condition for a cheap price. = Don't think I'd really trust them to refurb any machine myself. However = if they'd give you a rebuilt 1yr warranted HS60 for $750 total I = might, might, go for it.   FWIW I also just saw two used Magister = ES60's on eBay for $695 each...   Pacific Northwest Gathering VI http://home.comcast.ne=t/~mckona/PNWGVI.htm Kona Kurmudgeon miKe = mcKoffee www.mcKonaKoffee.com URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, = some recipes etc: http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimate= ly the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first = not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment = found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone = before. Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archives http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ From: = homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-adm= in] On Behalf Of Sandy = Andina Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:48 PM To: = homeroast= s.com Cc: livia-90 <= b>Subject: +Re Magister: uh-oh = From what I've been seeing online, I think the machine that = the repair shop is going to be giving me (okay, at no more cost to me = than my dead Livia) and the service fee I paid when I first brought it = in) is one of Magister's Home models--and I don't think they're heat = exchangers, but just sturdy single-boilers akin to my Racilio Silvia = or a LeLit. Bummer is that I don't see a hot water tap either--and it = has one of those foo-foo froth aiders instead of a real steam wand and = takes 54mm PF accessories. They make a single-group HX, but it's for = commercial use and plumbed-in, retailing for over $2K (and the shop = assured me mine will have a reservoir, so I doubt that I'm getting an = HX machine unless they're converting a plumb-in to use bottles). I = realize that all things considered, a working single-boiler non-HX is = more useful to me than an irreparable and admittedly (acc. to Pasquini) = inherently flawed auto HX, and that I won't have to write that $500 = check for a new Livia 90S; but I already have a Silvia. I suppose I = could steam with one machine while the other is pulling shots, but I = am not really happy. If such is the case, and I'm not getting a HX = machine, I guess I'll just grit my teeth and muddle through till the = Christmas bonus comes in so I can get a new prosumer HX like an = Andreja Premium, Elektra Micro Casa a Leva, Expobar Brewtus, or = Isomac. I'm really bummed out, because I will at least for now = definitely be "trading down." There is little info about Magister = machines online--most online retailers like WLL, 1st-Line, or Chris' = Coffee don't carry them because NorthStar up in the Cascades retails = them direct. (But even NorthStar's website mentions only the = commercial models).
= The repair shop owner is so adamant that the Livia 90 line now = poses an unacceptable hazard that he has decided to sever his = relationship with the company.
= Any advice? The shop has put more than $250 in time and parts into = my Livia 90A, so I can't ask for my money and machine back--besides, = what would I do with a broken machine that, even if fixed (which is = highly unlikely), may develop a flaking boiler that will short out = again. It's 2-1/2 years old, and was warranted for only a year. =
Do I tell them to just = give me what the value of the rebuilt Magister would be (unless the = one I'm getting is an HX) and walk away? Should I ask them to rebuild = me an HX machine and pay them what's fair? Sandy www.sandyandina.comwww.sass-music.com
Sandywww.sass-music.com
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