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Topic: Yama Butane Coffee Vacum? (43 msgs / 1113 lines)
1) From: James Raven
Anyone out there have any info on this unit and how it might work on the ro=
ad or camping? Does it even brew coffee worth drinking since i haven't seen=
 one single post about them. Are they more gimmicky or possibly actually wo=
rk? Seeking Knowledge for a gift.
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2) From: Vicki Smith
I haven't used the Yama butane burner, though I do have a Yama vacuum 
brewer. It makes excellent coffee.
There is no way I would take one on the road as it would be in pieces 
very quickly. Glass is glass. I had never really thought about making 
another kind of coffee over the butane burner, though I suppose you 
could make a stove top espresso that way if you could find a way to 
suspend it over the flame.
I'd take a Coleman stove camping. I still wouldn't use my Yama with it 
;), but boiling water for French Press or a pourover would be just fine.
v
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3) From: Slinkster
James Raven wrote:
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What Vicki said.  i have a butane-powered countertop vac brewer.  It 
brews just fine, but it's a small 2-cupper so doesn't take as long as I 
expect an 8-cup model would sitting over a butane flame.
But don't take it camping.

4) From: James Raven
thanx Vicki, actually I was more interested in the quality of brew as it's =
a gift for a friend and i wanted to send something truly unique and cool lo=
oking and know he travels a lot and we camp in summers. Pretty fragile then=
 huh? oh well, quality counts more.
Jim
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5) From: Eddie Dove
Jim,
Vacuum pots make excellent coffee and the Yama is a fine vacuum
brewer.  The process is a bit more intimate than that of drip brew,
but I would consider the resulting brew to be a bit more refined; I
liken it to the "ting" of fine crystal.
Vacuum pots are fragile.
As with every other method of extraction, quality of grind matters.  A
poor grinder and a vacuum brewer could result in an abundance of
frustration.  Becoming proficient at vacuum brewing takes some
practice, but it is very rewarding.  If you decide to procure one of
these for gift or personal, I would recommend a glass rod filter
(Cory) that can be found on your favorite auction site.
I hope this helps.
Respectfully,
Eddie
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6) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I use the Yama on the weekends and love it, and (well, i guess you 
would expect me to say this) think the butane addition is great. the 
real issue is that you need a model with a stand to use the burner, 
or would have to get something to hold the flat-bottom stovetop yamas 
up, so the burner can fit underneath. but it puts out good heat, 
certainly much better than an alcohol burner. it's well made, has a 
click start so you don't need matches.
tom
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7) From: James Raven
so you don''t care much for the "Yama" then? or just think there are better=
 ones more worth the price?
Thanks Eddie,
Jim
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8) From: Eddie Dove
Jim,
I must not have conveyed that properly, sorry.  I think very highly of
the Yama that I have.  I have the 8 cup model that I use on the stove.
 It did make an exquisite brew of the Brazil Jacu Bird Coffee!
Eddie
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9) From: Angelo
There are stainless steel vacuum pots. I think the brand in Nicko...
I picked up one of these in a Chinese restaurant supply store...
Search the archives... This thread came up before...
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10) From: James Raven
thanks Angelo, that would travel better, but does it have the same quality =
taste as the glass? Curious?
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11) From: James Raven
Thanks for clearing that up Eddie, I'm considering one, just not sure which=
 one yet. Probably a smaller one with the portable burner? Want it to be sp=
ecial, it's a gift. But thanks again.
Jim
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12) From: Angelo
Jim,
I haven't actually tried it, as it makes too 
large a batch for just me... There is some urban 
legend stuff going around that anything but glass 
"corrupts" the taste of the brew... I think that 
was just a marketing campaign waged by Cory, but 
you'll have to ask one of our resident 
supertasters for a detailed comparison... :-)
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13) From: James Raven
Angelo,
I truly do believe that the metal would corrupt the taste of the pure glass=
 contained coffee and I believe that's why everyone seems to reccomend the =
glass filter opposed to the cloth filters?!!!  Think i'll stick with the gl=
ass and glass filter tube as well for flavor, isn't this what it's really a=
ll about? whatever you use Angelo, good batch fortune strike you and enligh=
ten your day.
HAVA GOOD,
Jim
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14) From: Angelo
Well, if glass is the only material that doesn't 
corrupt the taste, why aren't ALL coffee brewers 
made of glass. I have yet to see an espresso 
machine that is made of glass, or that uses a 
glass boiler or a glass portafilter...
I really don't think "everyone" recommends the 
glass rods. They do tend to choke and cause some 
implosions... To each his own...
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15) From: Doug Boutell
Because  Folgers sell a lot of coffee.
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16) From: James Raven
were the metal ones made from stainless steel or aluminum? Just curious bec=
ause the old moka Pots were almost all made of aluminum and then finally St=
ainless Steel came along in that type of unit, which is probably much the s=
ame. I totally agree about the espresso machines, but then who would buy an=
 aluminum espresso machine? Lots of uneducated (in coffee only) use espress=
o machines that are basically all plastic in the outer casing and aluminum =
filter baskets, so that is why i ask, not implying you are uneducated in co=
ffee roasting, grinding, brewing and i do appreciate the tip but haven't be=
en able to hunt one of the metal ones down yet to check it out. If you can =
locate that site please alert me to it's address so that i can check it out=
, I'm open to anything i can check out for myself or get a dependable repor=
t on, (Without guessing) I know it was a while ago you had mentioned. but t=
hanks for the input and attempt at helping me out.
Jim
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17) From: miKe mcKoffee
I get no metal tastes from my crystal and metal vacuum balance brewer.http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/royal4four.htmBut the Royal Versailles is definitely not aluminum or even SS:-)
Aluminum moka pot wise, they needed to be seasoned with multiple brewings
and IIRC only rinsed not washed. This impeded the aluminum tainting the
brewing.
Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
www.mcKonaKoffee.com
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
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found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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18) From: Brett Mason
Speaking of uneducated, I think Tom sells a line of espresso machines that
have aluminum boilers...  Good thing they don't come in contact with, like,
water?
Chew up some beans, then pour in boiling water (just off boiling, actually =
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204 degrees would be fine).
Swish, and savor...
Brett
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19) From: Brett Mason
OK, folks, please don't do this with the boiling water.  Could ruin the
coffee, and also make further tasting somewhat difficult.  Might even harm
the people around you....
It's America.  I must be specific, and give fair warning....
Brett
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20) From: James Raven
So Mike,  is it crystal and copper orcrystal & silver? the curiosity factor=
 is killing me. So how is the gathering going? Big attendance this year? Ho=
pe everyone is having a great time and brewing their asses off. 
Hava Good,
Jim
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21) From: miKe mcKoffee
As the webpage says Gold plated, 14kg plated.
Gathering wise PNWG is a once a year annual event not daily or weekly or
monthly!
I wasn't brewing my butt off today but did roast 18 1/2# batches! (Thirteen
of them candidates for espresso blend. Fortunately I just designed the
profiles and the CCR HT does the roasting:-) 
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22) From: Rick Copple
Angelo wrote:
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I don't think I'm a supertaster, but I do own a stainless steel Cory vac 
pot. Electric. The coffee from it does taste a little different than 
what comes out of my glass vac pot (Yama) but it is good, and I don't 
know that it is specifically from the metal. But it generally makes good 
coffee.
And while the Cory glass rod had trouble working right with it, the 
glass rod works perfectly in the Yama, haven't had a too slow stall yet, 
and I use it every day to make my coffee. But my SS Cory is my back up 
when this one breaks.
But I do admit, I like the coffee from the Yama better than the Cory. I 
just can't say the taste difference is due to the SS rather than it 
being an electric pot that will only go one minute at the top, max.
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23) From: Angelo
I believe this thread started with someone asking about a vac pot 
that could be used on a camping trip.... Below are three... I guess 
one has to decide on which is more important - breakability or taste...http://snipurl.com/1sgb9<Snip>">http://snipurl.com/1sgashttp://snipurl.com/1sgauhttp://snipurl.com/1sgb9<Snip>
Both...see above links
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The Krups Gusto espresso machine, which made a very nice shot ef 
espresso (at least, that's what everyone has said) had an aluminum basket...
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See above links... Now that you know what they look like, you should 
have no trouble in your quest.
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My whole point in this thread is not whether glass or metal is 
better, but that "what everyone says" doesn't count for crap. You 
have to find out for yourself...  sorta like religion, but that's for 
another time and place :-)

24) From: Joseph Robertson
James,
Without using this unit I would say with confidence that it works. I say
this because I know Tom and Maria who sell it have used it and would not
sell it if it didn't work. I will say this about Vac systems, my senior
partner in our coffee business says it's the best coffee she has ever tasted
and this is after cupping and brewing with a number of systems. I misspoke,
she does not brew with a vac system to cup a variety of coffee.
As to a road trip or camping and packing something made of glass ( it is
glass, is it not ) , your on your own. I would much prefer the AeroPress for
backpacking. Do a search and check them out. Light weight etc.
JoeR
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25) From: James Raven
HEY THANKS rICK, i THINK YOU JUST MADE UP MY MIND FOR THE GIFT I'M GIVING. =
i THINK THE GLASS ONLY MAKES SENSE TO MAKE A CLEANER MORE PURE CUP, POBABLY=
 TAKES A LITTLE MORE MAINTAINANCE THOUGH, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT?
JIM
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26) From: James Raven
i STARTED THAT THREAD ABOUT CAMPING AND HAVE SINCE CHANGED MY MIND TO GO WI=
TH A MOKA POT FOR THAT AND THE GLASS YAMA  FOR HOME USAGE AS MY FRIEND ISN'=
T AN ESPRESSO DRINKER MUCH, PREFERS ANYTHING REGULAR AND I AM NOW JUST LOOK=
ING TO HOOK HIM UP INTO A WORLD IN SEARCH OF BEST POSSIBLE COFFEE IN A DRIP=
 STYLE KIND OF WAY, BUT I TRULY DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS AND EXPER=
IENCES BEING SHARED. LIVE & LEARN. ME, I'M ESPRESSO ALL THE WAY, AND A ss M=
OKA POT THAT BILLATTI DOESN'T SELL SEALS FOR ANYMORE.  ANY INFO ON WHERE TO=
 ACQUIRE THOSE SEALS FOR THE 6 CUPPER SIZE? 
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27) From: James Raven
WELL JOE THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT AND i HAVE DECIDED TO MAKE IT A DOUBLE GIFT,=
 ONE YAMA FOR INTENSE HOME USE,  AND ONE MOKA POT FOR HIS PERSONAL NEEDS ON=
 THE ROAD. I APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT, ADVICE, OPINIONS, AND CONCERNS THAT =
HAVE HELPED ME TO HOPEFULLY CONVERT SOMEONE ELSE INTO THE WILD UNKNOWING WO=
RLD OF ROASTING, GRINDING, AND FINALLY BREWING THAT WONDERFUL SDARK BROWN L=
IQUID THAT GIVES US THE ENERGY TO SIT UP LAYE AT NIGHT AND ROAST SOME OF A =
NEW BATCH OF BEANS YOU WERE WAITING FOR.
BEST TO ALL, HOE ALL THE PNWG V FOLK MADE IT THROUGH THAT HIDEOUS STORM SYS=
TEM THAT ROLLED THROUGH, HAD TO GET OUT THE CAMP STOVE, OPEN THE DOOR AND B=
REW IN THE MOKA POT, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING EVEN BETTER WHEN IT'S ALL YOU C=
AN DO AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE DAY.
JIM
From: theotherjo
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Yama Butane Coffee Vacum?
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:30:40 -0700
James,
Without using this unit I would say with confidence that it works. I say th=
is because I know Tom and Maria who sell it have used it and would not sell=
 it if it didn't work. I will say this about Vac systems, my senior partner=
 in our coffee business says it's the best coffee she has ever tasted and t=
his is after cupping and brewing with a number of systems. I misspoke, she =
does not brew with a vac system to cup a variety of coffee.
As to a road trip or camping and packing something made of glass ( it is gl=
ass, is it not ) , your on your own. I would much prefer the AeroPress for =
backpacking. Do a search and check them out. Light weight etc.
JoeR
On 10/19/07, James Raven  wrote:
Anyone out there have any info on this unit and how it might work on the ro=
ad or camping? Does it even brew coffee worth drinking since i haven't seen=
 one single post about them. Are they more gimmicky or possibly actually wo=
rk? Seeking Knowledge for a gift.
Jim
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28) From: Brett Mason
Where I come from, a capital letter (A, B, C,... Z) is used to start a
sentence, or name a person / place.  You've used enough capital letters to
write a short story - perhaps you could consider submitting the whole story
next time?
Or turn off your CAPS-LOCK key, please.
Maybe you are just screaming?
BRETT
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29) From: Rick Copple
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Well, like I said, I don't know for sure that the taste difference isn't 
due to something other than the stainless steel, so I'm not saying that 
the stainless steel vac pot, if used on a stove top, would be any less 
tasty than the Yama. Since my SS is an electronic version, I plug it in 
and have no control over how long it does its thing. But I've timed it 
and it does go for the required 1 minute bubbling at the top, and makes 
good coffee.
But my Yama is a stove top model, so I can let it roll along for an 
extra minute to enrich the coffee, and that could be the difference in 
taste that I like better when the Yama.
However, for a gift, if they are going to use it a home, the glass is 
cooler because you can watch the water go up, and then you can watch it 
go back down once you take it off, which you can't with SS. They are 
much easier to break (when I ordered mine, the bottom broke in transit 
and SM was very good about sending me a replacement, but then my wife 
dropped something on the top and broke it and I had to order a new top, 
but I've found a safe spot for it and haven't had it break since, but it 
is glass).
I do wonder, however, cause you mention that your friend isn't into 
espresso, but you are going to get them a moka pot? While it isn't 
espresso, it does make a very strong coffee, a concentrate. But of 
course, you can add hot water to make a regular cup of coffee out of it.
However, I would second someone's suggestion for the Aero Press. All you 
need is hot water and the pieces. Light weight, not easily breakable, 
makes coffee fast, and does it very tastily. I would strongly look into 
that for a travel/camping coffee maker. The Moka pot, if you do it 
right, isn't fast and I would imagine you would have trouble keeping a 
low heat on it over an open fire for it to work right.
Of course, if you want to do the "cowboy coffee" thing on a camping 
trip, you just grab you a steel coffee pot for that purpose, toss in the 
grinds, water, and let 'er roll!
Enjoy. :)
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30) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 10/21/07, Rick Copple  wrote:
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I too would suggest caution regarding getting a moka pot for someone
who isn't fascinated with coffee. It takes a lot of puttering, first,
to figure out how to use a moka pot, and then it produces a relatively
small amount. I've made moka pot coffee for a good number of people,
probably 20, and none of them have expressed interest in making moka
pot coffee for themselves. Most (not all) do enjoy moka pot coffee
when I make it. Many people don't care how coffee tastes, simply want
a hot medium to dissolve sugar and mix with milk. They are not
interested in anything harder than scooping pre-ground coffee into a
drip brewer.
Brian

31) From: Larry Johnson
I have 2 aluminum Moka pots, my 2 french presses have stainless steel
plungers, my Aeropress is made of 2 kinds of plastic (or possibly 1 plastic
and 1 rubber), and all my pour-overs are plastic. I can't taste any of 'em.
All I ever taste is the coffee. But then, I brew it kinda strong. ;-)
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32) From: James Raven
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hava good
jim
From: lilboybrew
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Yama Butane Coffee Vacum?
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:06:55 -0400
I have 2 aluminum Moka pots, my 2 french presses have stainless steel plung=
ers, my Aeropress is made of 2 kinds of plastic (or possibly 1 plastic and =
1 rubber), and all my pour-overs are plastic. I can't taste any of 'em. All=
 I ever taste is the coffee. But then, I brew it kinda strong. ;-)
On 10/20/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
Speaking of uneducated, I think Tom sells a line of espresso machines that =
have aluminum boilers...  Good thing they don't come in contact with, like,=
 water?
Chew up some beans, then pour in boiling water (just off boiling, actually =
- 204 degrees would be fine).
Swish, and savor...
Brett
On 10/20/07, James Raven  wrote:
were the metal ones made from stainless steel or aluminum? Just curious bec=
ause the old moka Pots were almost all made of aluminum and then finally St=
ainless Steel came along in that type of unit, which is probably much the s=
ame. I totally agree about the espresso machines, but then who would buy an=
 aluminum espresso machine? Lots of uneducated (in coffee only) use espress=
o machines that are basically all plastic in the outer casing and aluminum =
filter baskets, so that is why i ask, not implying you are uneducated in co=
ffee roasting, grinding, brewing and i do appreciate the tip but haven't be=
en able to hunt one of the metal ones down yet to check it out. If you can =
locate that site please alert me to it's address so that i can check it out=
, I'm open to anything i can check out for myself or get a dependable repor=
t on, (Without guessing) I know it was a while ago you had mentioned. but t=
hanks for the input and attempt at helping me out.
Jim
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33) From: James Raven
Rick -
Hey thanks for the info and suggestion on the selections of makers, I do ap=
preciate them. I'm trying to get my friend to get more into espresso and ma=
ybe even convince him to roast his own beans since he usually gets some fro=
m me as well. But I do believe i will look deeper into that Areo Press make=
r as i've heard some good and some other wise about it and it sounds like a=
 possibility. I really was hoping that he would find the moka Pot a good su=
per strong but smooth kind of espresso without the crema and complete taste=
 and richness. 
As an opinion have you ever used a Rancillo sylvia espresso machine and wha=
t is your take on it as i'm looking for new stuff for myself as well. I loo=
ked into that Achille, the hand press  one that I was hearing about, totall=
y cool looking and unique in many ways but a little pricy for me at this ti=
me and experience. Thanks for your opinions on that Areo Press, I will look=
 into it more.
Appreciation,
Jim
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34) From: James Raven
Oh too true Brian, but then it's a beginning for someone on a low budget an=
d who needs a learning curve to begin with to find out the mystery that int=
erests them about my love for the crema filled cup of rich tasty gold. So I=
 figured . . . . but now i think 
I've dropped the whole idea of the Yama Vacum as the shipping and caring an=
d fragility of it, guess I'll head in the direction of the Areo Press for s=
tarters. Better than a Mister Coffee, just like anything else is!!!!
Thanks all for suggestions,
Jim
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35) From: Larry Johnson
I think the Aero Press is a great choice. I really love the coffee
from mine. I bought it for travel, but I use it at home about 30% of
the time. It makes a pretty strong cup, similar to the Moka pot, but
easier to deal with and clean up after. Also, I think the coffee is
maybe a bit better than the Moka pot. Just my opinion, obviously.
On 10/22/07, James Raven  wrote:
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36) From: Jim Gundlach
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37) From: Rick Copple
James Raven wrote:
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Like Larry mentioned, the Areo Press puts out a coffee concentrate, much 
like a moka pot. For regular coffee you add hot water to that, but you 
could just drink the concentrate and it would be very much like a moka 
pot in that regard. Only much easier to use and clean up.
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No, the only espresso machine I've any experience with is the Saeco 
Classico, w/ a regular portafilter. Though there are better, you can 
make a good espresso with it if you do it right.
-- 
Rick Copplehttp://www.rlcopple.com/

38) From: James Raven
Hey Tom - 
Thanks for your personal input, i appreciate it a lot as busy as you must b=
e. I have decided to go with that Areo Press for my friends travel needs an=
d maybe an andreja for my addictive home needs. I'll be in touch and need s=
ome more coffee later today i'll make my order. You & Maria hava Great day,=
 Pray for the fire victims and sip a cup for them in consideration. 
Regards,
Jim
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39) From: James Raven
Thats what I keep getting told, it's more to do with knowledge of the user =
than in the machine as well as the grind?!!!  So life goes on and I gather =
more info and thast's what quality of life and espresso are all about, righ=
t??!!!!!  need more caffiene. Thanks for the input and opinion. 
Jim
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40) From: Rick Copple
James Raven wrote:
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I'd put it this way, where it concerns espresso. Obviously, the quality 
of the machine and the grinder are going to have an effect on what any 
user can do. IOW, if it is low quality, it will be next to impossible to 
produce great (not just mediocre to yuk) espresso.
But once the quality reaches a certain level, the user comes into play 
more, and his/her knowledge of the machines and how to use it. So, if 
you have the most expensive espresso maker and grinder, but don't use 
them properly, you could have saved your money and just bought an under 
$100 dollar cheapo. Cause your espresso isn't going to be a whole lot 
better.
But a user who knows what he is doing can take a decent machine and get 
good to great shots out of it, and with a higher quality machine, hit 
that great a bigger percentage of the time due to more control of the 
factors and reduction of guesswork variables. And some designs just make 
it easier to hit that "great" shot than others.
My Saeco is a good machine. I've hit some good shots on it. But I've 
nothing to compare it to. I'm sure if Les could take the time to travel 
down here with is lever set up, he could show me the potential I'm 
missing out on. :) But then I would have to spend more money! Maybe when 
I become a best selling novelist, I can afford a high-end one. :)
Meantime, when I get a hankerin for espresso or a cappo, I'll surf the 
temps on the Saeco. It does a pretty good job, actually. I've no 
complaints.
-- 
Rick Copplehttp://www.rlcopple.com/

41) From: James Raven
hey thanks for the concern about my usage and knowledge of machines. I do l=
earn fast and that's exactly why i didn't end up getting that Achille, beca=
use the whole pump action deal would only make it that much harder. I am go=
ing to get a decent camera here to take a good quality pic of an old machin=
e i was given in the 80's to begin to use and had the hang of it for a whil=
e before the stands and shops started going up everywhere here in the seatt=
le area. Are you the guy from Capital hill area? If so do you remember the =
Espresso Roma and then they put one in the U-district? I hung out at the on=
e in the U-dist. !!!! back in about '86-87
Hava good,
Jim
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42) From: Rick Copple
James Raven wrote:
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Sounds interesting. :)
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I'm in central Texas, so unless you're talking about the Texas Capital, 
probably not. ;)
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Rick Copple

43) From: James Raven
sorry, gotcha mixed up with someone else.
Hava Good Texas -
Jim
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