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Topic: Tradition Roots (13 msgs / 439 lines)
1) From: Dave Kvindlog
While we're in the process of clarifying how a tradition offering works, I'd
like to understand it's history.
I noticed in Barry's tradition offering, he titled the subject "Lois Weiss
Tradition".
Who is Lois Weiss, and how did this great tradition get started?
Snobbily yours,
Dave

2) From: Eddie Dove
From Barry's post initiating the tradition, he explains:
This may get a little long. However, if you read through it you will
be rewarded with a tradition offer. As you may remember my darling
wife took me, for a romantic weekend, to The Bellagio Hotel in Las
Vegas to celebrate my birthday. Then the plan was for me to stay on
for a week with a poker buddy (actually a former poker student) for a
week of poker.
What I didn't know was my wife had been working for two years getting
my entire family to Las Vegas to throw me a surprise birthday party.
She flew 21 people from 9 states to Vegas for a weekend of events and
dinners honoring me. Three of my 4 children and their spouses, my
brother, sister and spouses,4 nieces and nephews and spouses. Finally,
an 80 year old cousin from Florida who I haven't seen in 15 years and
figured I would never see again.
At any rate in honor of my wife, Lois Weiss, I would like to offer the
following tradition. I am offering four (4) twenty five dollar ($25)
gift certificates to SM to four different individuals on this list.
Please respond off list. Drawing to be held in two weeks October
23,2007.
On 10/19/07, Dave Kvindlog  wrote:
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3) From: Bonnie Polkinghorn
Pecan Jim wrote recently:
A few years ago we started a tradition exchange.  The rules were that
a member of the list would offer something coffee related to other
members of the list.  List members would email the person making the
offer OFF LIST asking to be entered in the tradition offering and the
winner would be selected by some random device.   The only
requirement on the part of those who enter is that they agree to keep
the tradition going by offering something else coffee related to the
list if they win.  We started by having the winner pay the shipping
but that proved to be unnecessarily complex so the person offering
the tradition pays the shipping except in cases where the shipping
was excessive.  As I recall there was a case where someone offered
their old espresso machine after they upgraded and it was stipulated
in the offering that the winner would pay shipping.
He then went on to describe his offering.
Later, Barry Luterman wrote:
As you may remember my darling wife took me, for a romantic weekend, to The
Bellagio Hotel in Las Vegas to celebrate my birthday. Then the plan was for
me to stay on for a week with a poker buddy (actually a former poker
student) for a week of poker.
What I didn't know was my wife had been working for two years getting my
entire family to Las Vegas to throw me a surprise birthday party. She flew
21 people from 9 states to Vegas for a weekend of events and dinners
honoring me. Three of my 4 children and their spouses, my brother, sister
and spouses,4 nieces and nephews and spouses. Finally, an 80 year old cousin
from Florida who I haven't seen in 15 years and figured I would never see
again.
At any rate in honor of my wife, Lois Weiss, I would like to offer the
following tradition. I am offering four (4) twenty five dollar ($25) gift
certificates to SM to four different individuals on this list. Please
respond off list. Drawing to be held in two weeks October 23,2007.
I hope this helps,
Nose in the air,
Bonnie P.
Santa Rosa, CA
On 10/19/07, Dave Kvindlog  wrote:
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4) From: gin
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5) From: gin
Dave:
it was just posted, perhaps someone still has it handy or Jim where are you???
ginny
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6) From: gin
Bonnie:
THANKS,
ginny
---- Bonnie Polkinghorn  wrote: 
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7) From: Dave Kvindlog
OK.  Got the recent reference to Barry's wife.  My mistake in linking her to
the start of the tradition.  How quickly I forget details...  
But my question was really aimed at the start of the Tradition, apparantly
years ago.  Come on!  This story HAS to be worth the retelling.  Does anyone
remember?

8) From: Brett Mason
Prior to my arrival in 2004 - I think Pecan Jim may have started it...  Or
Alfred...
Or... ?
On 10/20/07, Dave Kvindlog  wrote:
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-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

9) From: miKe mcKoffee
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Dave Huddle started it, Pecan Jim was the first recipient of I forget what,
then Pecan sent Maestro upper burr to me, then I forget who I sent the pair
of SS demitasses to....
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:54 PM
Prior to my arrival in 2004 - I think Pecan Jim may have started it...  Or
Alfred...
Or... ?

10) From: Jim Gundlach
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Dave Huddle offered a gasket for a vacuum brewer to someone who would  
pay shipping.  I spoke up for it first then created the rules for the  
tradition and announced them with an offer of a new top burr for a  
Solis grinder.  Mike won that grinder burr.  It has been going on  
since with the tradition threads occasionally multiplying and some  
threads dying off.
I got the idea from research in Anthropology that showed systems of  
institutionalized gift giving between roles that often have  
conflict.  For example the first gift a new Hopi bride gives is a  
very generous one to the mother of her new husband.  Since this list,  
like most other email lists, often erupted into flame wars, I thought  
I would attempt to institute an ongoing gift exchange ritual to try  
to produce a better climate.  A few years later I assigned a content  
analysis research project to students in two of my research methods  
courses.  Each student randomly selected fifty messages before and  
fifty messages after the tradition from the list archive.  They then  
classified their randomly selected messages as flame or not flame and  
we tabulated the results in class.  I don't remember the exact  
numbers but both sets of results were about the same and  the  
conclusion was that the tradition reduced flaming to less than half  
the pre-tradition level.
I often thought the data are there for a Masters thesis level  
research project but since I have retired, I doubt if anyone will  
ever collect and analyze the data to inform us as much as possible on  
the effects of gift giving on email list climate.
      pecan jim
On Oct 20, 2007, at 10:59 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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Dave Huddle offered a gasket for =
a vacuum brewer to someone who would pay shipping. I spoke up for it =
first then created the rules for the tradition and announced them with =
an offer of a new top burr for a Solis grinder. Mike won that grinder =
burr. It has been going on since with the tradition threads =
occasionally multiplying and some threads dying off.
I got the idea from = research in Anthropology that showed systems of institutionalized gift = giving between roles that often have conflict. For example the first = gift a new Hopi bride gives is a verygenerous one to the mother of = her new husband. Since this list, like most other email lists, often = erupted into flame wars, I thought I would attempt to institute an = ongoing gift exchange ritual to try to produce a better climate. A = few years later I assigned a content analysis research project to = students in two of my research methods courses. Each student randomly = selected fifty messages before and fifty messages after the tradition = from the list archive. They then classified their randomly selected = messages as flame or not flame and we tabulated the results in class. = I don't remember the exact numbers but both sets of results were about = the same and the conclusion was that the tradition reduced flaming to = less than half the pre-tradition level.
I often thought the data = are there for a Masters thesis level research project but since I have = retired, I doubt if anyone will ever collect and analyze the data to = inform us as much as possible on the effects of gift giving on email = list climate.
= pecan jim
On Oct 20, = 2007, at 10:59 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
Dave Huddle started it, = Pecan Jim was the first recipient of I forget what, then Pecan sent = Maestro upper burr to me, then I forget who I sent the pair of SS = demitasses to.... miKe = From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-adm= in] On Behalf Of Brett = Mason Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:54 = PM Prior to my arrival in 2004 - I think = Pecan Jim may have started it... Or Alfred... Or... = ? = --Apple-Mail-28--79288566--

11) From: James Raven
I've resent it 3-4 times already, Gawd how I hope somebody can help this du=
de with his lack of Understanding of it, I'm tired trying. I had just found=
 out that very same day it started, it was me who started the ignorant need=
 to know so that I could contribute to something worthwhile in the proper m=
anner and with the proper mindset. The story alone should MAKE YOU WANT TO =
CONTRIBUTE. Better to give than receive, think of it like that Dave. REGIST=
ER FIRST before your time runs out. good luck & happy travels into that sea=
rch for coffee nirvana.
SnohoSnobo  Jim  / Not Pecan Jim  (Someone else PLEASE try to help this guy=
 out.)
From: homeroast
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Tradition Roots
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:54:29 -0500
Prior to my arrival in 2004 - I think Pecan Jim may have started it...  Or =
Alfred...
Or... ?
On 10/20/07, Dave Kvindlog < ihomeroast> wrote:
OK.  Got the recent reference to Barry's wife.  My mistake in linking her t=
o the start of the tradition.  How quickly I forget details...  
But my question was really aimed at the start of the Tradition, apparantly =
years ago.  Come on!  This story HAS to be worth the retelling.  Does anyon=
e remember?
--
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.comWindows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. =
Get it now.http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL10062=6971033=

12) From: miKe mcKoffee
Pecan Jim is correct, I sit corrected. Dave made an offering but not with
the ongoing aspects of "The Tradition". Here are the posts cut & paste from
the SM archives for accuracy:
"Nicro vac pot" 
Dave Huddle homeroast 
Tue Sep 17 12:02:17 2002
  
"I bought a gasket from foodservicedirect to use with a Cory or Silex.
HOWEVER, it doesn't fit in my glass vac pots.
Sooooo...I'll give it away for the cost of the postage to the  first
one who requests it,  OFF LINE!!
Dave"
And then Jim posted with Subject Line titled
"A Dave Huddle Tradition"
jim gundlach homeroast 
Fri Sep 20 16:44:05 2002 
"I am the beneficiary of Dave Hudddle's offer of a vacuum pot gasket.  He
had it. It would not work for him so he offered it to someone on the list
for postage.  I e-mailed first so I got it.  He will ship it and when I get
it I will send him the postage. To make it a tradition, I have a new outside
burr for the Solis 166, I think it is the same as for the 177 and the
Mastero (sp?).  I paid $25.00 for it and it did not fix my grinder so I
ordered a Rocky.
I am offering the new burr to the first person on the list to e-mail me.
They must agree to the same arrangement plus agree to keep it going.  That
is, agree to pay me the price for shipping after you get it and offer
something else coffee related to the list.   Just offer it to the first
taker on the list who agrees to pay shipping and agrees to offer something
else to the list under the same conditions."
Variations of choosing recipient by random selection, X number to reply etc.
rather than first to reply came later at individual gifters choosings. Been
ongoing for over five years!
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
www.mcKonaKoffee.com
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Jim Gundlach
	Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:18 AM
	
	Dave Huddle offered a gasket for a vacuum brewer to someone who
would pay shipping. I spoke up for it first then created the rules for the
tradition and announced them with an offer of a new top burr for a Solis
grinder. Mike won that grinder burr. It has been going on since with the
tradition threads occasionally multiplying and some threads dying off. 
	I got the idea from research in Anthropology that showed systems of
institutionalized gift giving between roles that often have conflict. For
example the first gift a new Hopi bride gives is a very generous one to the
mother of her new husband. Since this list, like most other email lists,
often erupted into flame wars, I thought I would attempt to institute an
ongoing gift exchange ritual to try to produce a better climate. A few years
later I assigned a content analysis research project to students in two of
my research methods courses. Each student randomly selected fifty messages
before and fifty messages after the tradition from the list archive. They
then classified their randomly selected messages as flame or not flame and
we tabulated the results in class. I don't remember the exact numbers but
both sets of results were about the same and the conclusion was that the
tradition reduced flaming to less than half the pre-tradition level. 
	I often thought the data are there for a Masters thesis level
research project but since I have retired, I doubt if anyone will ever
collect and analyze the data to inform us as much as possible on the effects
of gift giving on email list climate.
	pecan jim
	On Oct 20, 2007, at 10:59 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
		Dave Huddle started it, Pecan Jim was the first recipient of
I forget what, then Pecan sent Maestro upper burr to me, then I forget who I
sent the pair of SS demitasses to....
				miKe
			From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
			Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:54 PM
			
			Prior to my arrival in 2004 - I think Pecan Jim may
have started it... Or Alfred...
			
			Or... ?

13) From: Dave Kvindlog
Sweet.  We all owe Dave Huddle, Pecan Jim, and MiKe a great deal of
gratitude.  I hope the rich traditions started 5 years ago will continue to
bless list participants for many years to come.
I raise my (coffee) cup to you three.  Thank you for sharing this story.
Dave
On 10/21/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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