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Topic: Grinder question: Mazzer used vs Rancilio new (16 msgs / 276 lines)
1) From: Robert Kaye
Looking for opinions: I am finding that a used Mazzer Super Jolly is  
about the same price as a new Rancilio Rocky.  For a 90% french  
press/10% Espresso family, which would be the better purchase? (Assume  
we are novice-level IR2 home roasters, and that we'd replace the burrs  
if we aquired a used SJ). Also, is there another grinding contender in  
the US$300-350 price range that I should be considering? Thanks for  
the help, Robert

2) From: Barry Luterman
That's a tough one.Probably no wrong answer. If the price is equal even 
after the burr replacement the only other variable to examine would be the 
guarantees. If that is not that important then go with the Mazzer.

3) From: Floyd Lozano
I'll chime in on this, as I have both.
I have a Gaggia Evolution, an espresso machine of good quality if you don't
mind playing around to get it right.  I never could get a consistently good
espresso grind / tamp / dose combination using the Rocky, probably due to my
lack of skill.  I then bought a used Super Jolly and that problem
disappeared.  My skill did not change, but the espresso quality sure did!
If you have the counter space for a Jolly (the sucker without the hopper is
as tall as the complete Rocky - the hopper adds on another foot easy) then
Jolly is the winner for espresso duties.  BUT, if you will be mostly doing
FP and occasional espresso, Rocky is winner hands down.  Adjusting the
Mazzers is not easy - the infinite adjustment capability makes it more
difficult, I think (mine is hard to turn), whereas with Rocky, you just bop
on over to the number you like, and back when you want.  I currently use the
Jolly for espresso, and Rocky for every other prep.
my pair o' pennies.
ps depending on how used a Super Jolly is, you may not need to replace the
burrs.  While the Rocky burr set has an expected lifetime of 100 lbs, the
larger burrs in the Jolly are rated a little longer (i've read 300-400lbs)
On 10/29/07, Robert Kaye  wrote:

4) From: Mike Koenig
I'll second what Floyd already said.  If you think your espresso
consumption might increase, and you have the counter space, I'd
definitely go for the SJ.  If you think you will always be drinking
mostly french press, then the Rocky might be the better option, since
it's more adjustable.
If you get a Rocky, just make sure the burrs are parallel.  If you
adjust them 'till they touch, you should hear a fairly continuous
metallic sound, not an intermittent, clink-clink-clink... I learned
this too late on mine.  The Mazzer has a heavy duty spring loaded burr
carrier to make sure the burrs stay aligned.
On 10/29/07, Robert Kaye  wrote:

5) From: Brian Kamnetz
I'm no expert on this, but seems like the Rocky burrs need replacement
more often than SJ?
On 10/30/07, Mike Koenig  wrote:

6) From: Barry Luterman
Yes Rocky approx every 100 lbs bout once a year. SJ 300 to 500 lbs 3 to 5 
years or about a 4 to 1 difference.Burrs are no more expensive for the SJ. 
Rocky burrs $47.38, SJ $47.43

7) From: Bailey Blanchette
Who is the best source for Rocky burrs?  Mine have to be replaced...
On 10/30/07, Barry Luterman  wrote:

8) From: Jim Gundlach
I would vote for the used Mazzer.   Larger burrs, stronger motor,  
infinite adjustment, and overall a more solid piece of equipment.
      pecan jim
On Oct 29, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Robert Kaye wrote:

9) From: Barry Luterman
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I'll reply off list

10) From: raymanowen
"...Rocky might be the better option, since it's more adjustable."
Can I quote you on that? -ro
On Oct 30, 2007 7:24 AM, Mike Koenig  wrote:
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

11) From: Brian Kamnetz
Maybe it was posted and I missed it - sorry if that happened - but did
you ever decide one way or another?
On Oct 29, 2007 3:00 PM, Robert Kaye  wrote:

12) From: jay hobaugh
I wish I had 300$ lying around, not only would I have alot of the new coffee's
that Tom has gotten in lately, but I have seen 3 or 4 Mazzer's go for under
300$ on ebay in the last 2 weeks. And quite a few go for under 360$ including
a Mazzer Major.
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13) From: Brett Mason
Hey there Jay, here's an idea...  figure out what you DO have lying around =
and put it into a safe bank account...
Repeat January , March, May, July - and then go buy what you really want.
Get something really cheap for now, or use what you have, and just "know"
the better choice is coming in time...
On Nov 11, 2007 8:40 PM, jay hobaugh  wrote:

14) From: raymanowen
In my opinion, a used Mazzer is the Ideal Grinder for the coffee aficionado.
If you stick a new set of burrs in it, the beans won't know from Brand New
for at least 5 years, and you'll have unequalled range and quality.
If you don't have space for one, get a chain saw- It's that important!
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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On Nov 11, 2007 7:40 PM, jay hobaugh  wrote:

15) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 11, 2007, at 9:57 PM, raymanowen wrote:
How long DO a set of burrs last? How can you tell if they're worn?
(realizing of course that it depends on how much coffee you run  
through the thing)
I've got a Rossi RR45 and probably need a new set of burrs for it.  
I'll probably rip it apart completely and do a full cleaning as well....
speaking of which, how does the rossi compare?

16) From: raymanowen
The burrs in BUFF grinder (Major) were brand new within hours of sweating
Brown delivering it two years ago. The original ones were 10 Years old and
still useable- from a *$ emporium.
A few days ago, I did my semi-monthly cleanout of the machine, the burrs are
quite sharp and the zero hasn't budged a bit. My steaming pitcher will
become an Ibrik, one of these days- a Turkish grind is child's play for it,
cause I toss a few beans in at Zero and watch it make talcum coffee!
Cheers and 73 -RayO, aka Opa!
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On Nov 11, 2007 8:34 PM, Allon Stern  wrote:

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