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Topic: Awesome Roaster (33 msgs / 895 lines)
1) From: Les
I had a Sunday visitor this week.  A fellow that I have been working with on
roasting dropped by shared his one pound San Franciscan with me.  We had a
beautiful 70 degree day, so we roasted outside.  Attached is a link to some
pictures. www.thortamper.com/SF.html  This is one fine built machine.  I was
amazed at how quiet it roasted.  It is built like a tank!  For the 3 figures
it cost, it does do an excellent roast.  We did 4 roasts.  Is it better than
the RK drum?  I don't know yet.  Tomorrow will be the test on a three day
rested Colombian that was roasted to Full City in both.  I must say I am
very impressed with the quality of the first few cups of coffee I have had
from it.  Tomorrow will be a head to head cupping.  I sure hope the RK is up
to the challenge, or the wallet might have to get hammered again.
Les

2) From: Brett Mason
Very nice...
B
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3) From: Eddie Dove
With abated breath, we await your cupping results, sir!
Eddie
On Oct 30, 2007 8:43 PM, Les  wrote:
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4) From: Bob
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Les,
Can one really just "stop by" with one of these and start roasting? Is =
it gas fired--propane and 110 plug?
Also, 3 figures cost to me means $999. and less. Seriously doubt that, =
even for a used and abused machine.
That said, look forward to your cupping results against the best bbq =
drum in the business!
VegasBob

5) From: David
Those San Franciscan's are really neat.  The roasting
company I worked for had one, painted the same as the
big boy, a Probat L-60.  If I  had the space and
"permission" I would be all over one.
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6) From: Barry Luterman
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Les I did a search on the SF roaster and they said call for quote. What =
is the price?

7) From: miKe mcKoffee
The literature I have, received back in Oct 2005 checking them out, listed
the SF-1LB sample roaster at $4375 plus freight.
 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:38 PM
	Les I did a search on the SF roaster and they said call for quote.
What is the price?

8) From: Les
They are $5,000.00.  That is the goodnews.  Maybe the other goodnews is the
friend that stopped by had been to the factory in Nevada and they told me
they have stopped production of the one pound and 3 kilo models.  Bummer!
Les
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9) From: Les
Bob,
Yup,  It is Propane fired and runs on 120 volts.  It uses a lot less gas
than my RK.  I wonder how many roasts you would have to do to hit the
 cross-over point?
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10) From: Barry Luterman
Lot's of poker to get there

11) From: Jim Gundlach
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Les,
       If it does better than the RK, it would probably be because the  
SF has a more responsive temperature control.  You could improve that  
by insulating your grill to give you faster heating when you want it.   
You can always lift the lid a bit to cool.  Are you sure the SF is  
only three figures, it looks more like a four figure machine to me.
       Pecan Jim
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Les,     =
 If it does better than the RK, it would probably be because the SF =
has a more responsive temperature control.  You could improve that =
by insulating your grill to give you faster heating when you want it. =
 You can always lift the lid a bit to cool.  Are you sure the =
SF is only three figures, it looks more like a four figure machine to =
me.      Pecan Jim
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30, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Les wrote:
I had = a Sunday visitor this week.  A fellow that I have been working with = on roasting dropped by shared his one pound San Franciscan with = me.  We had a beautiful 70 degree day, so we roasted outside.  = Attached is a link to some pictures. www.thortamper.com/SF.html&= nbsp; This is one fine built machine.  I was amazed at how quiet it = roasted.  It is built like a tank!  For the 3 figures it cost, = it does do an excellent roast.  We did 4 roasts.  Is it better = than the RK drum?  I don't know yet.  Tomorrow will be the = test on a three day rested Colombian that was roasted to Full City in = both.  I must say I am very impressed with the quality of the first = few cups of coffee I have had from it.  Tomorrow will be a head to = head cupping.  I sure hope the RK is up to the challenge, or the = wallet might have to get hammered again.   = Les = --Apple-Mail-3-745867505--

12) From: DJ Garcia
Les, "three figures"??! C'mon! The danged thing weighs one hundred pounds!
Is any one of those figures a triple zero by any chance? :-) Or else I'm
gonna have to hammer MY own wallet!
DJ
Rather dubious ...
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:43 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Awesome Roaster
I had a Sunday visitor this week.  A fellow that I have been working with on
roasting dropped by shared his one pound San Franciscan with me.  We had a
beautiful 70 degree day, so we roasted outside.  Attached is a link to some
pictures. www.thortamper.com/SF.html  This is one fine built machine.  I was
amazed at how quiet it roasted.  It is built like a tank!  For the 3 figures
it cost, it does do an excellent roast.  We did 4 roasts.  Is it better than
the RK drum?  I don't know yet.  Tomorrow will be the test on a three day
rested Colombian that was roasted to Full City in both.  I must say I am
very impressed with the quality of the first few cups of coffee I have had
from it.  Tomorrow will be a head to head cupping.  I sure hope the RK is up
to the challenge, or the wallet might have to get hammered again. 
 
Les

13) From: DJ Garcia
So you figure that's probably up to $6K by now, plus several hundred for
shipping :-). I knew it! OK, Les, you need to go back and practice your
'rithmetic :-) At least my Hottop stopped being nervous ...
DJ

14) From: Neil Atwood
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Just jumping in here, seeing we are looking at this fine commercial roaster.
I've just bought this little baby. I Call it my 'Turkish Delight':http://ministrygrounds.net.au/article/the-roaster-arrives-2
I should add that I'm already selling enough roasted coffee to pay for this
new toy in three years.
Otherwise would be hard to justify. ;-)
Neil A.
Blue Mountains, Oz
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 1:59 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Awesome Roaster
They are $5,000.00.  That is the goodnews.  Maybe the other goodnews is the
friend that stopped by had been to the factory in Nevada and they told me
they have stopped production of the one pound and 3 kilo models.  Bummer! 
Les
On 10/30/07, Barry Luterman  wrote: 
Les I did a search on the SF roaster and they said call for quote. What is
the price?

15) From: Homeroaster
Or maybe better smoke control.
Or maybe the beans are just so thrilled to be in a SF roasting drum that 
they become higher achievers.
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Ed Needham
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16) From: Homeroaster
That's a very fine looking machine.
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Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

17) From: James Raven
I'm lost now, are these machines still barely available or totally unavaila=
ble? 
Just curious, they certainly are cool looking and sound like they work good=
 , but for 5K it should. where would you go to find one? or even find out a=
bout one?
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18) From: Neil Atwood
It is Ed.
I call it my 'roasting bling'
A number of roaster manufacturers make this sort of beast as 'shop
roasters', designed to be put on display as a centrepiece on the floor =
of a
large café while working.
Mine however, lurks in my garage, er, roastery.  ;-)
Cheers
Neil A.
Blue Mountains, Oz

19) From: Neil Atwood
I can only speak for Australia James, but there are 3-4 distributors
importing 1-3Kg shop or table-top 'shop' roasters here.
They are not cheap - around $AU8-15K, but that is quite achievable if you
are selling some of your product.
Cheers
Neil A.
Blue Mountains, Oz

20) From: Sean Cary
Got the same table saw you have...  Good ole Jet Contractor, the older blue one.
Was there a roaster there?
Sean
In Fallujah and REALLY jonesing to get back to woodworking...
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21) From: Les
Good eyes Sean,  I am glad you are on our side!
Les
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22) From: Sean Cary
can you turn holly?  looking at your page I was wondering what a holly
tamper would look like, I love seeing it used in intarsia, such a
beautiful contrast...
My family has a house on the eastern shore of VA that has been in the
family since the 1700's, there is a TON of holly on it, and I keep
meaning to harvest a tree to air dry and use for inlay...just forget
and get hunting quail and dove when I get there and remember as we are
driving away.
My wife sent a bunch of catalogs yesterday, Rocker, Lee Valley,
Woodcraft etc... I am just JONESING to make sawdust and your picture
tripped the switch even worse.
I have been looking at a Delta Midi lathe - so many "wants"...
Sean
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23) From: John Brown
i may be wrong, but i think Holly may be poisonous like Coco Bolo.  at 
least i believe the berries are.
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24) From: James Raven
thanks for the info anyay, I just thought if they were achievable i might b=
e interested. Most everyone else doubted it as well. But thanks.
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25) From: miKe mcKoffee
FWIW the 1# roasters are usually marketed as 'sample roasters', the 3 to =
12k
classes 'shop roasters'.
Anyone who's seriously interested in the 1# class commercial grade drum
roasters US Roaster Corp makes a mighty fine one made in the US.http://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =">http://www.usroastercorp.com/sample.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffeehttp://www.mcKonaKoffee.comURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =
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26) From: gin
very cool Les, let us know.
ginny
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27) From: Brett Mason
Here's another one I found, but takes a bit more space...http://cgi.ebay.com/60-75-Kg-Balestra-WOOD-GAS-Coffee-Roaster-made-in-Italy_W0QQitemZ140174119716QQihZ004QQcategoryZ57070QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemIf someone picks it up, I'll come help!
Brett
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28) From: Stephen Carey
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It is hard to believe that a piddly ole IR2 can even roast coffee 
when one sees such a machine as this - kind of embarrassed to say I 
have one.  Maybe one day, a few years down the road, when I know what 
I am doing I can move to this league or the beginner league of this level!!!
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It is hard to believe that a piddly ole IR2 can even roast
coffee when one sees such a machine as this - kind of embarrassed to say
I have one.  Maybe one day, a few years down the road, when I know
what I am doing I can move to this league or the beginner league of this
level!!!
At 08:31 AM 10/31/2007, you wrote:
very cool Les, let us
know.
ginny
---- Les <les.albjerg> wrote: 
> I had a Sunday visitor this week.  A fellow that I have been
working with on
> roasting dropped by shared his one pound San Franciscan with
me.  We had a
> beautiful 70 degree day, so we roasted outside.  Attached is a
link to some
> pictures.

www.thortamper.com/SF.html  This is one fine built machine.  I
was
> amazed at how quiet it roasted.  It is built like a tank! 
For the 3 figures
> it cost, it does do an excellent roast.  We did 4 roasts. 
Is it better than
> the RK drum?  I don't know yet.  Tomorrow will be the test
on a three day
> rested Colombian that was roasted to Full City in both.  I must
say I am
> very impressed with the quality of the first few cups of coffee I
have had
> from it.  Tomorrow will be a head to head cupping.  I sure
hope the RK is up
> to the challenge, or the wallet might have to get hammered
again.
> 
> Les
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29) From: Floyd Lozano
I actually feel quite the opposite.  I am stoked that I can roast excellent
coffee (at least, much more excellent than I can buy in a store) with a
relatively low cost (RK drum) or a VERY low cost (FreshRoast +, HG/DB).  I'd
never have this kind of enjoyment with coffee if I had to get a high end
roaster like that!  I am sure there are some neato engineering features in
that thing, things you would think of once you experienced the problems
(like how do i get rid of all the chaff, or how can I burn off some of the
particulates from the smoke and reduce emissions, or how can I temperature
probe it and hook it up to a computer for automated data gathering, and
later, profile application).  But just LOOKING at it, some enterprising
person with a mechanical background and access to the right tools could
probably fabricate the thing for less than a grand.  We need a mind meld
between Ron Kyle and Jeff Pawlan and RayO or something ;)  I'm interested in
seeing how it stacks up to what we can get now (for example, aside from the
doubled capacity, how is it better than a $1000 hottop?)  Looking forward to
Les's cupping notes!
-F
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30) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Besides commercial 1# roasters having good roast control and being built to
last multiple lifetimes instead of a few years?
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Floyd Lozano
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:43 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Awesome Roaster
I actually feel quite the opposite.  I am stoked that I can roast excellent
coffee (at least, much more excellent than I can buy in a store) with a
relatively low cost (RK drum) or a VERY low cost (FreshRoast +, HG/DB).  I'd
never have this kind of enjoyment with coffee if I had to get a high end
roaster like that!  I am sure there are some neato engineering features in
that thing, things you would think of once you experienced the problems
(like how do i get rid of all the chaff, or how can I burn off some of the
particulates from the smoke and reduce emissions, or how can I temperature
probe it and hook it up to a computer for automated data gathering, and
later, profile application).  But just LOOKING at it, some enterprising
person with a mechanical background and access to the right tools could
probably fabricate the thing for less than a grand.  We need a mind meld
between Ron Kyle and Jeff Pawlan and RayO or something ;)  I'm interested in
seeing how it stacks up to what we can get now (for example, aside from the
doubled capacity, how is it better than a $1000 hottop?)  Looking forward to
Les's cupping notes! 
-F

31) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I actually feel quite the opposite.  I am stoked that I can roast 
excellent coffee (at least, much more excellent than I can buy in a 
store) with a relatively low cost (RK drum) or a VERY low cost 
(FreshRoast +, HG/DB).  I'd never have this kind of enjoyment with 
coffee if I had to get a high end roaster like that!  I am sure there 
are some neato engineering features in that thing, things you would 
think of once you experienced the problems (like how do i get rid of 
all the chaff, or how can I burn off some of the particulates from 
the smoke and reduce emissions, or how can I temperature probe it and 
hook it up to a computer for automated data gathering, and later, 
profile application).  But just LOOKING at it, some enterprising 
person with a mechanical background and access to the right tools 
could probably fabricate the thing for less than a grand.  We need a 
mind meld between Ron Kyle and Jeff Pawlan and RayO or something ;) 
I'm interested in seeing how it stacks up to what we can get now (for 
example, aside from the doubled capacity, how is it better than a 
$1000 hottop?)  Looking forward to Les's cupping notes!
-F
A nice sentiment, Floyd. I feel the same way. I think we need to be 
reminded of the fact that home roasters might, just maybe, do a 
better job than many establishments with tens of thousands of dollars 
of equipment, because it's a labor of joy, not production. Of course, 
coffee is special because so many professionals do both, but that's 
mostly because of the persons involved, NOT the equipment, and how 
much it costs. I remember someone showing me their special tamping 
technique, which had great results, and would NEVER be possible in 
coffee shop due to the time it took - a simplified example of what I 
am talking about.
So while nice tools are a great thing, a butter knife has more uses 
than a screwdriver! Add a roll of bailing wire and some duct tape and 
you can rule the world! (Well, maybe not).
Tom
PS: (Maria's dad would always watch the home improvement shows with 
dismay, and say he wanted to have a show called "Confessions of a 
Wood Butcher".)
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32) From: James Raven
Sounds like a great title to a book, "Confessions of A Wood Butcher" how wo=
nderful, Thanks Tom for a good construction laugh. 
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33) From: Joseph Robertson
Les,
Thank you for the review. We have been considering this machine for a lab
roaster to go with our Probat 5L. I can't wait for your follow up comments.
JoeR
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