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Topic: I can't believe it's happening AGAIN!!!!! (22 msgs / 1141 lines)
1) From: Sandy Andina
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I am shaking--I don't know whether to be furious or just frustrated.
My son brought the Magister in.  We lifted it on to the Pasquini base  
I'd bought just after the Livia went into the shop. Lifted the lid,  
stuck a funnel into the tank opening and poured in a 50-oz. bottle of  
water. Turned it on and waited. After an hour, the orange ready light  
hadn't gone out and the needle in the pressure gauge was only at the  
bottom of the green range on the dial.  I kept hearing an occasional  
"click," the way my Silivia clicks when it is ready and the light  
goes out, so I figured maybe it was just that this machine's light  
stays on.  I preinfused for 4 seconds, waited for the needle to go  
back into the green, pulled a shot, and it came out thin and fairly  
quickly--2 oz. in about 20 sec--with thin pale crema. Admittedly, the  
beans were 2 weeks old and some of the grounds were left in the doser  
from earlier in the evening, and it didn't taste any worse than most  
shots I've had at mediocre chain cafes. But it should have been  
better than that.  Went back in half an hr. later, and though the  
chassis was hot, the needle hadn't budged from the bottom of the  
green zone and the orange light was still on. Decided to flush a  
little water through the PF, and the needle immediately went down  
leftward, then began jittering wildly as it rose, and the machine was  
clicking and clattering like crazy.  The needle finally settled in  
its usual spot at the bottom of the green zone and the clicking  
stopped--but the light stayed on. I went into the living room to type  
a message to the shop owner. Came back in and noticed the counter was  
wet and the drip tray was empty though I hadn't emptied it.  Ready  
light was still on, needle in the same place.  Tried to pull another  
shot with coffee that I'd roasted two nights ago--this time the  
needle immediately jumped all the way to the right, the machine  
seemed to stall for a few seconds before a couple of drops began to  
drip slowly out---but the machine was leaking like crazy--all over  
the place. It was hemorrhaging water--so much so that I couldn't even  
pinpoint the leak. Not just oozing but dripping from all over the  
underside.  I immediately shut the machine off, unplugged it and  
dumped the puck.
The leaking and unstable pressure was exactly what the Livia did when  
it was a month old and developed a leaky pressurestat. And the  
jittering needle that finally jumped to the right was what the Livia  
did before it had its complete nervous breakdown.  (At least the  
Magister's pump didn't start running spontaneously).  I left the shop  
owner a phone message and another e-mail; under the circumstances, I  
think he ought to make a service call (I'll pay), since the machine  
was okay in the shop and maybe is sensitive to transit (and it weighs  
a TON, and my son is loath to schlep it down to the car again,  
assuming I can empty it without flooding my kitchen).
Anyone in the Chicago area have any idea what the heck is happening  
and might be able to troubleshoot?
It's as if, to paraphrase Robert Frost, "something there is that  
doesn't" want me to have a high-end espresso machine. In fact, it  
seems that machines all over my house tend to rebel intermittently  
(my satellite box broke down last week, wouldn't reset, and  
mysteriously powered back up only after I'd placed a service call; my  
son's TiVo goes on strike intermittently and he can't seem to install  
his printer).  I just backed up this MacBook preparatory to  
installing Leopard (its first hard drive died in August, at only 8  
months old, so I have become a stickler for backing up). Now I am  
afraid to do the install.   Perhaps I am destined to be a Luddite and  
the fates are trying to discourage me from embracing technology?
Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
www.sass-music.com
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I am shaking--I don't know whether to be furious or just =
frustrated.
My son = brought the Magister in.  We lifted it on to the Pasquini base I'd = bought just after the Livia went into the shop. Lifted the lid, stuck a = funnel into the tank opening and poured in a 50-oz. bottle of water. = Turned it on and waited. After an hour, the orange ready light hadn't = gone out and the needle in the pressure gauge was only at the bottom of = the green range on the dial.  I kept hearing an occasional "click," = the way my Silivia clicks when it is ready and the light goes out, so I = figured maybe it was just that this machine's light stays on.  I = preinfused for 4 seconds, waited for the needle to go back into the = green, pulled a shot, and it came out thin and fairly quickly--2 oz. in = about 20 sec--with thin pale crema. Admittedly, the beans were 2 weeks = old and some of the grounds were left in the doser from earlier in the = evening, and it didn't taste any worse than most shots I've had at = mediocre chain cafes. But it should have been better than that.  Went = back in half an hr. later, and though the chassis was hot, the needle = hadn't budged from the bottom of the green zone and the orange light was = still on. Decided to flush a little water through the PF, and the needle = immediately went down leftward, then began jittering wildly as it rose, = and the machine was clicking and clattering like crazy.  The needle = finally settled in its usual spot at the bottom of the green zone and = the clicking stopped--but the light stayed on. I went into the living = room to type a message to the shop owner. Came back in and noticed the = counter was wet and the drip tray was empty though I hadn't emptied it. =  Ready light was still on, needle in the same place.  Tried to pull = another shot with coffee that I'd roasted two nights ago--this time the = needle immediately jumped all the way to the right, the machine seemed = to stall for a few seconds before a couple of drops began to drip slowly = out---but the machine was leaking like crazy--all over the place. It was = hemorrhaging water--so much so that I couldn't even pinpoint the leak. = Not just oozing but dripping from all over the underside.  I = immediately shut the machine off, unplugged it and dumped the = puck.
The = leaking and unstable pressure was exactly what the Livia did when it was = a month old and developed a leaky pressurestat. And the jittering needle = that finally jumped to the right was what the Livia did before it had = its complete nervous breakdown.  (At least the Magister's pump didn't = start running spontaneously).  I left the shop owner a phone message = and another e-mail; under the circumstances, I think he ought to make a = service call (I'll pay), since the machine was okay in the shop and = maybe is sensitive to transit (and it weighs a TON, and my son is loath = to schlep it down to the car again, assuming I can empty it without = flooding my kitchen).  
Anyone in the Chicago area = have any idea what the heck is happening and might be able to = troubleshoot?
It's as if, to paraphrase = Robert Frost, "something there is that doesn't" want me to have a = high-end espresso machine. In fact, it seems that machines all over my = house tend to rebel intermittently (my satellite box broke down last = week, wouldn't reset, and mysteriously powered back up only after I'd = placed a service call; my son's TiVo goes on strike intermittently and = he can't seem to install his printer).  I just backed up this MacBook = preparatory to installing Leopard (its first hard drive died in August, = at only 8 months old, so I have become a stickler for backing up). Now I = am afraid to do the install.   Perhaps I am destined to be a Luddite = and the fates are trying to discourage me from embracing = technology? Sandywww.sass-music.com
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2) From: Derek Bradford
On 10/31/07, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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Nothing wrong with being a luddite...they're just against technology
that takes work away from humans with no perceivable benefit.  Show me
a human that can squeeze out espresso without 'technology' and we'll
talk.  Until then,  you're safe.
Sorry to hear about your new machine.  I can only imagine how
frustrating that must be.  Unfortunately, I can't offer you any
advice.
--Derek
-- 
Check out my blog: www.blynic.com
Every path but your own is the path of fate.  --Thoreau

3) From: miKe mcKoffee
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Sandy Andina
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:28 AM
To: homeroast
Cc: livia-90
Subject: +I can't believe it's happening AGAIN!!!!!
I am shaking--I don't know whether to be furious or just frustrated. 
My son brought the Magister in. We lifted it on to the Pasquini base I'd
bought just after the Livia went into the shop. Lifted the lid, stuck a
funnel into the tank opening and poured in a 50-oz. bottle of water. Turned
it on and waited. After an hour, the orange ready light hadn't gone out and
the needle in the pressure gauge was only at the bottom of the green range
on the dial. I kept hearing an occasional "click," the way my Silivia clicks
when it is ready and the light goes out, so I figured maybe it was just that
this machine's light stays on. I preinfused for 4 seconds, waited for the
needle to go back into the green, pulled a shot, and it came out thin and
fairly quickly--2 oz. in about 20 sec--with thin pale crema. Admittedly, the
beans were 2 weeks old and some of the grounds were left in the doser from
earlier in the evening, and it didn't taste any worse than most shots I've
had at mediocre chain cafes. But it should have been better than that. Went
back in half an hr. later, and though the chassis was hot, the needle hadn't
budged from the bottom of the green zone and the orange light was still on.
Decided to flush a little water through the PF, and the needle immediately
went down leftward, then began jittering wildly as it rose, and the machine
was clicking and clattering like crazy. The needle finally settled in its
usual spot at the bottom of the green zone and the clicking stopped--but the
light stayed on. I went into the living room to type a message to the shop
owner. Came back in and noticed the counter was wet and the drip tray was
empty though I hadn't emptied it. Ready light was still on, needle in the
same place. Tried to pull another shot with coffee that I'd roasted two
nights ago--this time the needle immediately jumped all the way to the
right, the machine seemed to stall for a few seconds before a couple of
drops began to drip slowly out---but the machine was leaking like crazy--all
over the place. It was hemorrhaging water--so much so that I couldn't even
pinpoint the leak. Not just oozing but dripping from all over the underside.
I immediately shut the machine off, unplugged it and dumped the puck.
The leaking and unstable pressure was exactly what the Livia did when it was
a month old and developed a leaky pressurestat. And the jittering needle
that finally jumped to the right was what the Livia did before it had its
complete nervous breakdown. (At least the Magister's pump didn't start
running spontaneously). I left the shop owner a phone message and another
e-mail; under the circumstances, I think he ought to make a service call
(I'll pay), since the machine was okay in the shop and maybe is sensitive to
transit (and it weighs a TON, and my son is loath to schlep it down to the
car again, assuming I can empty it without flooding my kitchen). 
Anyone in the Chicago area have any idea what the heck is happening and
might be able to troubleshoot?
It's as if, to paraphrase Robert Frost, "something there is that doesn't"
want me to have a high-end espresso machine. In fact, it seems that machines
all over my house tend to rebel intermittently (my satellite box broke down
last week, wouldn't reset, and mysteriously powered back up only after I'd
placed a service call; my son's TiVo goes on strike intermittently and he
can't seem to install his printer). I just backed up this MacBook
preparatory to installing Leopard (its first hard drive died in August, at
only 8 months old, so I have become a stickler for backing up). Now I am
afraid to do the install. Perhaps I am destined to be a Luddite and the
fates are trying to discourage me from embracing technology?
Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
www.sass-music.com

4) From: Bailey Blanchette
In the immortal word of Charlie Brown: "AAUUUUUGGGHHHHHHHHHH"!
BTW, before you indtall Leopard, you might want to check this article:http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId44782&sourceT_PM&nlid=8.Seems like there's a problem with wireless connectivity after upgrading.
Hard to see a bright side, but you have to keep looking...
On 10/31/07, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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5) From: gin
did you get this used?
moving should not effect the machine unles you drop it along the way.
give it back to him (let him pick it up), get your money and move on asap?
ginny
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6) From: Floyd Lozano
yes seriously, if it's leaking like this, you'd have to have hit every
foot-deep pothole on the drive home or something.  hopefully just a simple
hose / water line worked itself lose in transit or something, but depending
on how far away the water lines in the thing are away from the electronic
brain of the thing, well, who knows.  The more I hear about problems like
this, the more I think maybe a 'simple' lever machine is the way to go -
then it's only mechanical problems you have to worry about.  i hope this
shop helps you out with this in light of our recent troubles with their
inability to service your coffee equipment.
-F
On 10/31/07, gin  wrote:
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7) From: James Raven
Sorry to hear that Sandy, what a disappointment. Somebodt owes you somethin=
g, I'm sure you of all must be well knowledgeable with the BBB. Get your bu=
cks back.!!!!!
Shameful Salesman, selling off rebuilt equipment that doesn't even work.
Better Fortune Your Way.
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8) From: Dave McCracken
On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Sandy Andina wrote:
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ly
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d up
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Have you considered that you might have dirty electrical power?  It's proba=
bly 
not the problem with your espresso machines, but most of the rest of the 
items could be responding to power spikes/surges.  I'd suggest you install=
 
some UPS units in front of your electronics to smooth out the power.
Dave McCracken

9) From: Sandy Andina
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On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:40 AM, gin wrote:
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Got it used--but he rebuilt it from the ground up.  He did this as a  
favor to me for all the aggravation and delay I suffered when he  
could not figure out how to get the Livia reliably working again (I  
was there when he swapped out nearly all the Livia's electronics, to  
no avail);  he put in more than the $250 in labor costs and parts  
that I'd paid him in advance (his standard fee for annual HX or  
double boiler machine service--cleaning, descaling, gasket and screen  
replacement, calibration, p'stat and OPV replacement if necessary,  
electronics troubleshooting, etc.; having gone through having to  
replace a p'stat and gasket as a DIY, I am more than glad to pay for  
all that, as I am NOT a tinkerer by nature); and the only thing extra  
I "paid" was leaving him my dead Livia (without the extra PF, spouts,  
baskets I bought, or even the steam tips that came with it).  He is  
warrantying it for a year, so I am awaiting his reply to my call and  
e-mails.  I can't believe my voltage would cause this, because it  
turned on normally when I first brought it home and my Silvia is fine  
(just had my first, nearly perfect, shot of the day from her).    
Perhaps there is a leak that did not show up in the shop because it  
was tested and demoed for me on the wet-bench (covered with rubber  
and draining into the sink).
Anyway, Roger (the shop owner/tech) just called me back and will be  
out here tomorrow afternoon with his partner to take a look at it. He  
postulates that there may indeed be a slow drip into the chassis  
caused by a tiny split or crack in the tank.  He also dismissed the  
notion that my voltage might be the culprit because the Silvia is  
working fine.  I asked if I should just take the siphons out, put  
them into an empty bottle and pull the tank myself (it fills the  
boiler solely through the siphons--one of which contains the autofill  
sensor within a wire--a la the Silvia, rather via a bottom valve like  
the Livia), but he said it's best to have him and/or his partner look  
at it, in case it's something not as simple.  Pity, because it is a  
gorgeous, substantial though compact machine--right down to the  
powder-coat grouphead cowling, heavy-duty switches and knobs, massive  
AC cord & plug,  extra-long steamwand with 4-hole tip, acres of  
brushed and shiny stainless, that neat EU+Italian flag badge and the  
huge solid Magister nameplate.
Anyway, thank heaven for Silvia! What a trouper!  (And non-PID to  
boot--temp surfing is no pain at all as long as I don't have to play  
barista for a crowd).
Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
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On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:40 AM, gin wrote:
did you get this used? moving should = not effect the machine unles you drop it along the way. give it = back to him (let him pick it up), get your money and move on = asap? ginny Got it used--but he rebuilt = it from the ground up.  He did this as a favor to me for all the = aggravation and delay I suffered when he could not figure out how to get = the Livia reliably working again (I was there when he swapped out nearly = all the Livia's electronics, to no avail);  he put in more than the = $250 in labor costs and parts that I'd paid him in advance (his standard = fee for annual HX or double boiler machine service--cleaning, descaling, = gasket and screen replacement, calibration, p'stat and OPV replacement = if necessary, electronics troubleshooting, etc.; having gone through = having to replace a p'stat and gasket as a DIY, I am more than glad to = pay for all that, as I am NOT a tinkerer by nature); and the only thing = extra I "paid" was leaving him my dead Livia (without the extra PF, = spouts, baskets I bought, or even the steam tips that came with it).  He= is warrantying it for a year, so I am awaiting his reply to my call and = e-mails.  I can't believe my voltage would cause this, because it = turned on normally when I first brought it home and my Silvia is fine = (just had my first, nearly perfect, shot of the day from her).   = Perhaps there is a leak that did not show up in the shop because it was = tested and demoed for me on the wet-bench (covered with rubber and = draining into the sink).
Anyway, Roger (the shop = owner/tech) just called me back and will be out here tomorrow afternoon = with his partner to take a look at it. He postulates that there may = indeed be a slow drip into the chassis caused by a tiny split or crack = in the tank.  He also dismissed the notion that my voltage might be = the culprit because the Silvia is working fine.  I asked if I should = just take the siphons out, put them into an empty bottle and pull the = tank myself (it fills the boiler solely through the siphons--one of = which contains the autofill sensor within a wire--a la the Silvia, = rather via a bottom valve like the Livia), but he said it's best to have = him and/or his partner look at it, in case it's something not as simple. =  Pity, because it is a gorgeous, substantial though compact = machine--right down to the powder-coat grouphead cowling, heavy-duty = switches and knobs, massive AC cord & plug,  extra-long steamwand = with 4-hole tip, acres of brushed and shiny stainless, that neat = EU+Italian flag badge and the huge solid Magister = nameplate.
Anyway, thank heaven for = Silvia! What a trouper!  (And non-PID to boot--temp surfing is no pain = at all as long as I don't have to play barista for a crowd). = Sandywww.sass-music.com
= = --Apple-Mail-83-793714817--

10) From: Sandy Andina
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Using heavy-duty Kensington surge protectors for the A/V systems and  
the kitchen circuit, and Tripp-Lite UPSes for the laptop and desktop.
On Oct 31, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Dave McCracken wrote:
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Sandy
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Using heavy-duty Kensington =
surge protectors for the A/V systems and the kitchen circuit, and =
Tripp-Lite UPSes for the laptop and desktop.
On Oct 31, =
2007, at 11:15 AM, Dave McCracken wrote:
On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Sandy Andina = wrote: It's as if, = to paraphrase Robert Frost, "something there is that doesn't"want me to have a high-end espresso machine. In = fact, it seems thatmachines all over my house = tend to rebel intermittently (my satellite boxbroke down last week, wouldn't reset, and = mysteriously powered back up onlyafter I'd = placed a service call; my son's TiVo goes on strikeintermittently and he can't seem to install his = printer).  I just backed upthis MacBook = preparatory to installing Leopard (its first hard drive diedin August, at only 8 months old, so I have become a = stickler for backingup). Now I am afraid to do = the install.   Perhaps I am destined to be aLuddite and the fates are trying to discourage me = from embracingtechnology? = Have you considered that you might have dirty = electrical power?  It's = probably not the problem with your espresso machines, but = most of the rest of the items = could be responding to power spikes/surges.  I'd suggest you install some UPS = units in front of your electronics to smooth out the power. Dave = McCrackenhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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11) From: Dave McCracken
On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Sandy Andina wrote:
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The UPSes are good, but as far as I know the surge protectors will only 
protect your equipment against major power spikes.  It won't smooth out the 
little fluctuations that can confuse sensitive electronics.  I lost several 
electronic gadgets before I went to UPSes all around.
Dave McCracken

12) From: Rich
Ferite isolators are low cost and do stop the RF that destroys solid state devices.  The Tripp-Lite UPS is 
also a line filter.  The kensington surge suppressor is not a line filter - noise suppressor, it limits the 
max value of the line voltage only.
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13) From: Aaron
For the electrical power to be THAT dirty to cause the relays to click 
and chatter, it would have the lights dimming all over the place as well.
An ups is NOT going to solve any power problem unless you get a REALLY 
big one.    The most popular ones are the 1500 VA ups'.  They run a few 
hundred bucks I believe from apc unless the price came down 
drastically.   For your machine, you will need at least a 3000 va ups to 
handle oh say 1500 watts which is what it will probably peak at.  
That'll probably cost you close to what the machine did.  Then theres 
the issue of the batteries to replace when they go in a few years... 
that's probably close to the cost of the ups unless you get them real 
cheap somewhere, but then again you get what you pay for unless you have 
an 'in' in the battery world like I do.
It might have a safety switch somewhere that is sensing pressure, and 
turning stuff off if there is no pressure in the machine, ie to not let 
you run it dry.... if that is the case and it was sucking air / leaking 
that bad, chances are it was setting off the switch, causing the chattering.
Good luck with getting it fixed though.
Aaron

14) From: Barry Luterman
Sandy my first thought is that the machine is not primed and the boiler is 
running empty. Finally a hose loosened from the vibration caused by the 
vacuum. Kind of like the noise and rattle a water pipe makes when it gets 
air in it.

15) From: raymanowen
Q- Was 50 oz of water enough to get the machine primed initially? I know,
you ran it at the shop, so what does the guy say about initial outfitting of
the machine once you relocate it?
The Book, The Book- what does The Book say? With electrical power and the
reservoir filled, there is no reason the machine should wet its pants.
Lacking a physical thrashing, you couldn't do anything to a self-contained
water system machine to make it leak.
After you pull a shot, pressure and several cc of water are vented into the
drip pan via a hose.
The drip tray should Not have been bone dry post-shot.
Maybe the hose got knocked out of position, or the tray mislocated after you
set it back up. What do I know? I don't even have a real espresso maker, but
it does OK.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On 10/31/07, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

16) From: Sandy Andina
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That's what I was thinking.  I filled the reservoir, plugged in the  
machine (in its own outlet) and turned the power on as instructed-- 
the autofill did kick in (I heard it--I recognized that sound from  
the Livia's autofill). But I'm thinking one of the hoses may have  
come loose when the dealer was wedging the machine in on the  
floorbetween the back of the driver's seat and the front of the back  
seat. There was construction on the way home (though I don't recall  
slamming on the brakes or hitting any potholes), so there could have  
been some jarring going on, especiallly since the machine was on the  
floor instead of the leather seat because it was still fairly warm  
when put into the car.
On Oct 31, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
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That's what I was thinking.  I filled the reservoir, plugged in the =
machine (in its own outlet) and turned the power on as instructed--the =
autofill did kick in (I heard it--I recognized that sound from the =
Livia's autofill). But I'm thinking one of the hoses may have come loose =
when the dealer was wedging the machine in on the floorbetween the back =
of the driver's seat and the front of the back seat. There was =
construction on the way home (though I don't recall slamming on the =
brakes or hitting any potholes), so there could have been some jarring =
going on, especiallly since the machine was on the floor instead of the =
leather seat because it was still fairly warm when put into the =
car.
On Oct 31, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Barry Luterman =
wrote:
Sandy my first thought is that = the machine is not primed and the boiler is running empty. Finally a = hose loosened from the vibration caused by the vacuum. Kind of like the = noise and rattle a water pipe makes when it gets air in it.

17) From: Barry Luterman
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If that's it; it is an easy cheap fix. You should be up and running =
soon.

18) From: Brian Kamnetz
Hope so!
On 10/31/07, Barry Luterman  wrote:
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19) From: Sandy Andina
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On Oct 31, 2007, at 6:55 PM, raymanowen wrote:
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The tank holds about 64 oz.
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No "Book."  It came used and rebuilt--though I suppose I could write  
to Magister and get a manual and try to translate it from Italian  
(though I've gotten pretty good at reading tech-Talian without having  
to translate).  Or I could see if Half-Price Espresso (the importer  
for the larger Magisters up in Twisp, WA) has one.
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It wasn't, not after the first shot. Had to empty it into the sink.  
(At the shop, I noticed the tech emptied it onto the rubber-coated  
bench after each spate of water through the group and hot water tap.  
It was only when I came back an hour later to check on whether the  
light had gone off or the needle had risen above 1.0 bar, when I  
found my counter soaked, that I found the drip tray empty.
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The tray's in the right place. My guess is that the hose got  
mispositioned either while the machine was being placed on the rear  
floor of the car, when I drove over rough pavement (which I don't  
recall) or when my son carried it upstairs (for all I know, he may  
have tilted it too much in order to comfortably carry it).
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Sandy
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On Oct 31, 2007, at 6:55 PM, raymanowen =
wrote:
Q- Was 50 oz of water enough to get the machine primed = initially? I know, you ran it at the shop, so what does the guy say = about initial outfitting of the machine once you relocate = it?
The = tank holds about 64 oz. The Book, = The Book- what does The Book say? With electrical power and the = reservoir filled, there is no reason the machine should wet its pants. = Lacking a physical thrashing, you couldn't do anything to a = self-contained water system machine to make it leak. No = "Book."  It came used and rebuilt--though I suppose I could write to = Magister and get a manual and try to translate it from Italian (though = I've gotten pretty good at reading tech-Talian without having to = translate).  Or I could see if Half-Price Espresso (the importer for = the larger Magisters up in Twisp, WA) has one. After you pull a shot, pressure and several cc of = water are vented into the drip pan via a hose. The drip tray = should Not have been bone dry post-shot. It wasn't, not = after the first shot. Had to empty it into the sink. (At the shop, I = noticed the tech emptied it onto the rubber-coated bench after each = spate of water through the group and hot water tap. It was only when I = came back an hour later to check on whether the light had gone off or = the needle had risen above 1.0 bar, when I found my counter soaked, that = I found the drip tray empty. Maybe = the hose got knocked out of position, or the tray mislocated after you = set it back up. What do I know? I don't even have a real espresso maker, = but it does OK. The tray's in the right place. My = guess is that the hose got mispositioned either while the machine was = being placed on the rear floor of the car, when I drove over rough = pavement (which I don't recall) or when my son carried it upstairs (for = all I know, he may have tilted it too much in order to comfortably carry = it). Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka = Opa! Sandywww.sass-music.com
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20) From: Brett Mason
Sandy, you need to be FOR the 2nd ammendment...
OK, so maybe that wouldn;t help, but the anger thing gets taken care of...
Brett
On 10/31/07, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

21) From: Sandy Andina
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I drink enough decaf that I don't need it.
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Sandy
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I drink enough decaf that I don't need it.
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Sandy, you = need to be FOR the 2nd ammendment... OK, so maybe that wouldn;t = help, but the anger thing gets taken care = of... Brett Sandywww.sass-music.com
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22) From: Brett Mason
Me neither Sandy!  But these folks seem to have taken you for a ride.  I
don't like em pickin on you...  Not much to do, but watch them closely!
B
On 10/31/07, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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Cheers,
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